A Jew offers fellow Jews 17 points to stop anti-Semitism


Hello fellow jews, today we’re gonna talk about the most serious threat against our people, anti-Semitism, and what can we do to fight against it, we did a lot of research to try to understand it’s causes and we came up with the following plan:

#1 Don’t lie

First we’re gonna have to stop lying, I know it’s very hard for us but we’re a really great people so we could… sorry, I was lying again, it’s hard, but people really don’t like us when we lie, so let’s stop lying. We evolved trading so evolution favored the liars, it’s not out fault, let’s stop.

#2 Don’t rule

In Japan people look at their government and media and they see Japanese, in China they see Chinese, in India they see Indians, in Arab nations they see Arabs, they all see people like them, maybe the Japanese in the Japanese government and media or the Arabs in the Arabs ones have more money and power but they are still Japanese or Arab and nothing else, but in America, Canada, all of Europe including all of Russia and Australia people see their governments and media dominated by us, they really don’t like us because we rule over them, we need to stop dominating.

#3 Accept criticism

Many people feel in an intellectual prison because if they dare to disagree with us we usually attack them, we need to listen more to criticism and be less sensitive and aggressive.

#4 Stop promoting egalitarianism

We see whites as oppressors and blacks as victims, men as oppressors and women as victims, heterosexuals as oppressors and homosexuals as victims, a century ago we saw businessmen as oppressors and workers as victims, we tried to be good people by achieving equality which caused communism ruining half of Europe and tens of millions of deaths, racial equality and multiculturalism which is ruining the other half and America, Canada, Australia, South Africa, also feminism which destroyed the traditional family making everyone miserable, some say that we do this things to rule over nations, but we know it’s not true, homosexuals have no power at all but we promote them over the entire society making everyone hate us, it’s just our nature, let’s stop promoting equality to help those supposed victims telling each other how good people we are.

#5 Forgive and forget

There were hundreds of wars in Europe in the last 2000 years and around 50 jewish expulsions, after hundreds of wars they all forgave each other and forgot and live now in peace, but we are very intelligent so we never forgive nor forget, we tell our children that the Europeans have always been antisemitic, 50 conflicts between us and them and they forgave and forgot but we didn’t, so they have peace between them but we always have conflict, we must forgive and forget to live in peace.

#6 Be less paranoid

So we’re the chosen, anyone who disagrees is against us and may destroy us so we must destroy them first, we need to calm down a bit.

#7 Stop causing world wars

We’re trying to cause a 3rd world war to make the Middle East safe for Israel but people are becoming aware that we caused the 1st one to create democracies in Europe so we could rule them and because Britain promised Palestine to us and also we caused communism killing tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians that refused to submit to our will and when we tried to do the same to all of Europe that guy Hitler tried to stop us so we blamed him even for the goyim that we killed and we also made sure that no country would allow jews in so they would have to go to Palestine and we could have our own state, now because we demolished building 7 in the middle of the day when we could have done it at night everyone knows that we did it and already a lot of people died in Afghanistan and Iraq so if we nuke Iran then all that will come out, let’s stop lying by misquoting Ahmadinejhad about wiping Israel off the map and let’s not cause WW3.

#8 give Russia back

When communism fell we divided the russian economy among ourselves, we should give them their economy back and return everything we gained without labor.

#9 kosher tax

We really need to end it.

#10 federal reserve

Let’s end it and stop lying about any need for a gold standard, we should allow the US government to print it’s money and as long as each dollar printed matches it’s own value in work it will be no inflation and no need for gold.

#11 Stop promoting decadence

The 100 movies that made the most life… I mean money, didn’t have any sexuality but we promote decadence non-stop, the pornographers are almost all jewish, we need to stop that.

#12 Stop lying about the Holocaust(TM)

We lied so much about it that we need to send people to prison in Europe if they disagree, the small chambers for clothes are perfectly designed with valves and everything while the big rooms that we show as gas chambers are ridiculous, in 10 years no one will believe in that story anymore, maybe we should apologize for having lied so much.

#13 reparations

We should stop receiving reparations from Germany, it would be much cheaper than paying reparations to Russia for communism.

#14 Don’t whine

Whining is really annoying, let’s stop.

#15 Stop the genocide of the white race

We use our media to try to mix races in all the nations that have a white majority, we’re trying to make America, Canada, Europe, Russia, Australia and all the White nations become like Egypt or India or Portugal in which races mixed, promoting race-mixing while we reduce birth rates with feminism and homosexuality it’s genocide, we’re trying to destroy their genes with lies like telling them that races don’t matter while we keep Israel for ethnic jews only, White Americans have been nothing but nice to us, maybe we should stop trying to destroy them.

#16 Respect

What other people want is more important that what we want for them.

People like it when they feel respected, when they are not told how to think, but our nature it to tell everybody how to think and try to control everything, we need to start respecting people. Let’s stop thinking only about “what’s good for jews”

#17 Be Likable

That’s the key. The so called “anti-Semites” don’t like jews, if we attack them then more people dislike us because we are forcing them to like us, they don’t like it when we force them to like us, a better strategy to get rid of the people who don’t like us is to be liked by them, that’s the key to end anti-Semitism forever, we should be likeable.

–author unknown

  1. #1 by Wendy Campbell on October 8, 2009 - 9:39 pm

    And give up your Jewish state of Israel, aka the Zionist entity. Give it back to the Palestinians. Stop making US tax payers pay for a racist Jewish supremacist state. All Israeli Jews should leave Palestine-Israel, leave the Jewish state of Israel. The Zionist Jewish state of Israel must be dismantled. The Palestinian refugees must be allowed their Right to Return to their ancestral homeland of Palestine-Israel, as equals and with reparations. The only Jews who should be allowed to stay in Palestine-Israel are the ones who have lived there peacefully even before the Jewish state of Israel was created in 1948, and the Jews who were born there but who will give up their land and homes which used to be those of the Palestinians. They MAY find that they will be able to rent from a Palestinian or there is an off-chance they may be able to buy from a Palestinian or maybe a Jew who had land there long before the Jewish state was even created in 1948. Basically give it up. Just visit it for vacations and pilgrimages, but then go home somewhere else outside of Palestine-Israel, as the Christian tourists who visit the Vatican and then go home or the Muslims who visit Mecca but then go back home.

  2. #2 by Frustrated (non-Judeo) Christian on October 8, 2009 - 9:40 pm

    Oh, if. Music to my ears. Fly over and drop this as leaflets over Israelie.

  3. #3 by Ruth Bernstein on October 8, 2009 - 10:34 pm

    I don’t like this article. It is making fun of Jews. It is satirical. It is scoffing and sarcastic. It will stir up enmity against Jews.

    Also, the man who wrote this article is a coward. Because he doesn’t even sign his name. Who the hell is “Unknown Author”?

    Come on, Unknown Author, who the hell ARE you?

    I bet it’s that creep Mark Glenn.

  4. #4 by Ladybat on October 8, 2009 - 11:21 pm

    Start right now by stopping the trespassing on Palestinian private properties and allow them to come back to their homes that you stole from them. They have been stuck in refugee camps for over 4 generations because you came to their homeland from Europe and stole their homes from them and made them homeless, refugeed, and non citizens in their own homeland. Palestinians did not serve Hitler or Germany. You talk of not taking any more reparations from Germany. There are no German people living in refugee camps while you occupy German houses. There are 5 million Palestinian people living in refugee camps while you occupy their houses and private properties. So it is the Palestinians who are being forced to pay reparations to you. And they never did any thing to you to have to be forced to pay those reparations. Give Palestine back to its native people. Do that first and peace on earth will fall into place after that. If you do not do it then eventually there will be another world war fought because of you. Enough people died in the last world war because of your people. This time we probably won’t even have a world left after words. So it will hardly matter then if your people rule or not, will it?

  5. #5 by Troll on October 9, 2009 - 12:26 am

    Be hospitable ! Buy the HILTON HOTEL chain and put this stupid bimbo Paris out of business, willyas ??

    Yeah, like ANY of the above said is EVER gonna happen. Lotza Luck !! Benny Netanyahu is allowed to walk around the USA and NY CITY carrying a loaded Glock 19 with 17 rounds of hollow points due to “diplomatic immunity.”

    You think he’s gonna GIVE IT UP ?

    NOT !!!

  6. #6 by Joe Cortina on October 9, 2009 - 1:16 am

    Christ tried to instill a sense of guilt for their putrid conduct with a bit of no – nonsense constructive criticism. The repromand ‘speech’ is recorded in John 14. They didn’t like it – so they had Him murdered. The whole incident was pretty much History’s first ‘False Flag’ operation. The folowing is pretty much what happened.

    These Jew scum were doing some bad stuff – playing ‘god’ themselves and this Nazarene Jesus guy calls them out on their sleazy conduct. So what to do? “I know” said the chief maggot Caiaphas = “lets start rumors about Him creating sedition and revolt among the people and rat Him out to the Romans”. ” Yea – but he isn’t really doing anything bad says one of the ‘Chosenites’. ” Not to worry – we will make it look like He is a real threat to Rome’s authority – and we’ll scream whine and Kvetch (like we do so well) and demand the Romans take Him out for us – otherwise ve vill riot and do more annoying Jew things. We get rid of this Arab troublemaker with a few lies and we get back our authority to run the show like old times wne we were above God – gambling in the Temples and all the other profitable stuff- Oh vey – its gonna be great – so not to vorry – nobody will suspect our deceitful plan is based on lies.”

    The rest of the crime was history and the murderers are still bragging about how they got away with it.

    Want our country back? Want an America like it was when I was a child and before Jew influnce and occupation? Before the Jews stole Arab land and began a reign of terror – FINANCED BY ALL OF US? Read my site – tale action – walk the walk – like the Founding Fathers did.

    Still need a moral ltmus test? Then do this simple test. Spend an entire evening channel surfing with the WHOLE family – ESPECIALLY the kids like we used to do in the 50s and 60s. Remember this FACT. EVERY CHANNEL YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN WILL SEE AND HEAR INCLUDING ‘THOSE’ COMMERCIALS – are dominated – owned financed – and directed by Jews.

    If – you could stand an entire evening and saw nothing patently offensive – you are as bad and evil as the trash spewed out to your family. IF however – you were shocked outraged offended and mad as hell – as ANY normal decent parent MUST be – know that this is what the Jew demands you accept – his rancid evil corrupt Godless lifestyle.

    It WILL get worse. Porn – which is DOMINATED by Jews is one of the fastest growing industries in their occupied America. It has TRIPLED in the past two years and is VERY prifitable , now a multibillion dollar business – so expect to see more and more. There is even a TV show dedicated to porn now! The number of Jews in our Congress is now at an all time high as well. These are FACTS folks – check it out for yourselves. Do something while you can – before speaking out against the corruption of your innocent child is labeled as a hate crime. Read my site and LEARN THE TRUTH – or do nothing, and end up on the trash heap of history.

    http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com

  7. #7 by Amerikagulag on October 9, 2009 - 1:50 am

    Well, they gotta give up that ‘semite’ thing too! Afterall the majority of them migrated from northeastern Europe after WWII are about as semite as Lief Erikson is Polish. So this semitism thing somehow got attached to their religion and forced itself to try to emulate a genetic trait, but it isn’t. Jew is not genetic – it’s a religion. Semite is a genetic trait and the Iraqi’s are semites. So are the Afghan people. In fact the descendants of Jesus are the Palestinians. So they gotta give up this anti-semite thingy. It just ain’t working. Maybe try anti-Khazar or anti-ashkenazi.

    Jew means semite like Catholic means Swedish. Got it?

  8. #8 by Amerikagulag on October 9, 2009 - 3:38 am

    Oh, and you have to admit that Genesis and Exodus are fables because there is no archaeology to support it. And those ‘walls’ that Joshua supposedly blew down…well admit it! There were no walls. And that wandering in the desert? C’mon, admit it! If it were true there would be a pile of bones and stones big enough to make a new WTC. Admit the wandering in the desert is just wishful thinking. And parting the Red sea? C’mon…yeah right. You never left Egypt because you were never there except maybe in small groups. Cuz the Egyptians don’t mention anything about you guys leaving Egypt and their records are meticulous. And don’t give me the “they’re jealous cuz they weren’t chosen” routine.

    So lets get the original story straight. You’re NOT chosen by any god but yourselves. Your “god” yahweh is just a tribal deity and a very nasty one at that. Israel is just an anagram for Isis/Rah/El (mother/father/god) taken from the Egyptians. And your supposed great kingdom of David didn’t exist and he was just a tribal warlord much like Osama Bin Laden. So your whole manufactured history is all bunk but you’ve got the world thinking it actually happened because YOU say “god” said so in your book.

    Look, if you really want to be liked, you gotta admit it. Hey, it was all a joke! Never Mind! Just kidding. We’re not really chosen. It’ll be a nice place to start anyway.

  9. #9 by Xanadu on October 9, 2009 - 8:04 am

    Ladybat October 8, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Start right now by stopping the trespassing on Palestinian private properties and allow them to come back to their homes that you stole from them….etc…..etc…..

    I enjoyed reading Ladybat’s short comment almost as much as I enjoyed reading the brilliant article. This website has improved considerably over the last few months — thanks to exciting new arrivals such as Ladybat and Jalid with their wise and pertinent comments.

    There are lots of other good commenters too, but I won’t mention their names…..otherwise I might have to mention that bitch Ruth Bernstein.

    Full Marks to Mark Glenn for having the patience and tolerance to put up with this mad Jewess. She gives us a glimpse into the dark recesses of the Jewish soul.

  10. #10 by Xanadu on October 9, 2009 - 8:14 am

    Beware of a blind and indiscriminate anti-Semitism

    There are many good Jews and I would ask commenters on this site never to forgot this.

    Your anti-Semitism is getting slightly out of hand when you reach the stage of believing that all Jews are evil and wishing they had all perished in Hitler’s death camps.

    Beware of this pathology. It is an infection that must at all costs be avoided.

    I have recently made friends with a Jewish painter who thinks and feels exactly as I think and feel about the Palestinians and their plight. I love her dearly and would hate to see her come to any harm.

    We are all God’s children, including the Evil Jew.

    The only hope for mankind is the mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity. A collective exorcism is what they need. Building new Auschwitzes will not solve the problem.

    These are my thoughts on the Jewish question. Accept them. They are the final truth.

    Xanadu

  11. #11 by curt maynard on October 9, 2009 - 10:32 am

    Looks familar

  12. #12 by Doug on October 9, 2009 - 1:57 pm

    Xanadu,

    Grow up. All anybody really wants is to be left alone to live their lives in a free-thinking way.

    If we are pushed into a corner where everything we say and do is analyzed and eventually gets us put to death we will definitely push back.

    In this world WE WILL be forced to KILL those who want to do the same for us.

    Do NOT tell us how to behave. Unlike the pathetic excuse for a jew even an African-spawned person knows how to behave.

    Bloody revolution!

  13. #13 by Amerikagulag on October 9, 2009 - 2:14 pm

    Xanadu said:
    […She gives us a glimpse into the dark recesses of the Jewish soul…..]

    I would have to take issue with that statement. I feel the anger, hatred, the bitchiness exhibited by Ruth or anyone commenting on this sight is a learned trait. We don’t get glimpses into a soul; Ruth’s or anyone elses. Her soul is no different that a Philipino soul or a Mayan soul or a Hindu soul, or an Alaskan Inuit soul…or an Arab soul, and certainly no better.

    Being Jewish makes it no different but that’s a claim many of them choose to foist upon the world. That ‘self-appointed’ difference or ‘better-ness’ is entirely and completely learned. It is also entirely and completely false and exhibits a blindness and self-centeredness which is detrimental to humanity. It is instilled by others throughout youth, usually parents or peers. It is TAUGHT. It is not part of the soul but rather part of the ego; part of the personality. Soul is pure. Soul will know no difference once it is released to reunite again; only that it still has lessons to learn because of its failure to seek unity while in flesh. Ruth’s soul is as everyone elses. Ruth, however, prefers not to see one-ness nor seek it. Her insistence that she is somehow better because she ‘believes’ a certain way is a tragic flaw exhibited by most religions.

  14. #14 by Amerikagulag on October 9, 2009 - 4:59 pm

    [The only hope for mankind is the mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity. A collective exorcism is what they need.]

    Excuse me, but isn’t religion the entire foundation of the problem? The Jews self-appointed “special-ness”, claiming that some deity which THEY invented says that THEY are special above all other humans? Isn’t THAT the problem here? Any you advocate the belief in yet another fairy tale?

    Th solution is the complete disregard of unprovable snd ridiculous religious claims which encompass both the OT and the NT, sorry to offend.

  15. #15 by jeremy on October 9, 2009 - 7:19 pm

    I’m always amazed by the chutzpah of Jews like Bernstein; they are always talking about European anti-Semitism, as though we, as Europeans, were supposed to hand over our ancestral lands and women over to a group of slave traders and blood thirsty bandits. Romans expelled them from Palestine, and they have plagued the Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic peoples of Europe ever since. If life was so terrible for the Chosen Diaspora, why the hell didn’t they leave our Fatherland, and how did the Ashkenazi become the largest demographic and richest of world Jewry? This is simply a farse.
    For the last two hundred years, Jewish academicians have lambasted the Latin Church for mounting a defensive Crusade against the Seljuk Turks to protect Byzantium, and they- the rat bastard Jews- have the hubris to impugn the integrity of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella during the Reconquista of Spain ending seven hundred years of Jewish and Moorish cooperative oppression over Iberian Christendom. Of course the treasonous Jews who aided the Moorish armies in their conquest of Al-Andalusia and their progeny of modern-day, carpet bagging professors have brain washed the children of Europe into believing their ancestors were ‘haters’ and ruined the ‘Golden Age’ of Spain. The Golden Age for whom? The Sephardic Jews who were selling Christian women to the Moors as sex slaves! I love how Jews manipulate all goyim- Muslim and Christian alike- into believing their liberation always coincides with a ‘Golden Age.’ When the Jews were freed from the shletls(ghettos) and Kings, Popes, and other shrewd opportunists released them into the public to exploit the Christian masses by collecting taxes and seizing lands, the historians of the Sanhedrin refer to that as a ‘Golden Age.’Just study the propaganda surrounding the ‘Renaissance’ of Venice and and ‘Enlightenment Age’ Holland,France, England,and the Polish-Lithuanian Republic. The better side of the European collective conscience ( you know that whole Jesus thing) gave the Jews an equal voice in world affairs, and they have used it to destroy the morality of Western Man and made prostitutes of our daughters. They turned America into a Jewocracy and reconstructed the minds of European nationalists into bed-wetting, lazy, child molesting anti-Christ socialists. By God we will not have a theocracy in the West because we must have the right to sodomize little boys and suck the brains out of the unborn or else we are Facists.
    Well now, the Arabs and Persians- historically allies of these rats and many of whom previously bought into the cooked Jewish theory that anti-Semitism was a uniquely Christian European phenomenon (believe me this is a common theme in our universities even among non-Jewish professors)- are getting a dose of what our ancestors had to deal with and warned us all about. Fortunately for the Mohammadan, his religion is one of democratic warriorism, which calls upon every man to defend and eliminate any enemy who threatens his existence without any contradiction of the faith. Only time will tell if the Freemasons and bankers led by their Jewish masters are capable of turning the brown eyed beauties of Iran into cum-guzzling whores. They better unite and fight hard!
    Bernstein-please find another name you vain mistress of the night- if this email doesn’t turn you into a self-hating Jew then do humanity a favor and read MIchael Hoffman’s book Judaism Discovered, so you will realize your son’s mohel is a crypto-homosexual who engaged in oral sex during his bris. If you have no son, then just send a donation to Hoffman for warning you- via me- about the legalized, kosher child-molestation of eight day old Jewish boys.
    Just in case you did not know, Mark Glenn is not a white supremacist, and I’ll just say he has more Semitic blood pumping through his sincere, loving heart than you. Therefore it is obvious, he did not write the well articulated enumeration of Jewish high crimes against European culture. And isn’t it ironic that a Jew has the nerve to call an unknown author a coward? Your entire culture is based on obfuscation, subterfuge, and crypto-assimilation. Shameless behavior is the modus operandi of your people just study the history of the Mossad and American sayanims. Honey, you need to read the Nordic and Celtic Sagas and the military campaigns of the Greeks, Crusaders, and Hussars before you question the bravery of a white man. If you look at tiny Europe and study the tenacity of her fighting men few tribes can match their bravery. Our ancestors defended their land from the Huns, Mongols, Turks, and Arabs just to mention a few, and many times our men were out numbered four to one. Read about the Knights of Malta defending Malta from the Ottoman Turks and the Battle of Lepanto. Unfortunately we live in Jewish Times, and people lose their livelihoods and some times their lives by sneak attacks from the Jewish Defense League and other groups. I’m sure the author would love to me you and any other Jew on the battle field, but we all know that is not going to happen. If you are so brave leave your address for the unknown author. Have a nice day and go eat a bagel, Judenstein.

  16. #16 by Ladybat on October 9, 2009 - 9:22 pm

    Ruth Bernstein said…

    >>>>>
    I don’t like this article. It is making fun of Jews. It is satirical. It is scoffing and sarcastic. It will stir up enmity against Jews.<<<<

    No Ruth. Zionist Jews stir up enmity against themselves all on their own. They need no help from any one on that point. Zionist Jews are like the little boy who cried wolf one to many times. Only instead of "wolf" they cry "ANTI SEMITE!".

    Well, you Zionists played that card so many times and ran it into the ground that the world is so sick and fed up with it that now your people really do have the hate of the whole world upon you just like you always wanted in the first place.

    Just so you could have an excuse to do any thing you would like to do. Because you think its all owed to you. You even have prayers that absolve you of lies you tell! So you do not even have to feel guilty about any thing you do or say. Ask yourselves why it is no matter where you went in Europe every one eventually ended up hating you and doing any thing just to get you out of their countries? Why is this Ruth? Tell me please because, I, a child of these times after the last world war, would like to know the answer to that question! Why is it that your people are forever over and over no matter where you go, always ending up making every one around you hate your guts? All I know is what I see in front of my eyes Ruth! What I see your people doing to the people of Palestine! What I saw in Gaza last year was no different than the Holocaust of your people in Germany! HOW COULD JEWS DO THIS TO ANOTHER PEOPLE??? HOW CAN JEWS DARE TO EVEN BREATH THE WORD HOLOCAUST OUT OF THEIR HYPOCRITE MOUTHS AND THEN DO WHAT THEY DID TO GAZA AND TO ALL PALESTINIAN PEOPLE???

    I finally got my Palestinian family members out of Gaza Ruth! My sister in law and her two little sons. They went through that horror last year in Gaza! Now they are here in the US with us. But my two little nephews… When they hear fire crackers going off for the fourth of July and when they hear helicopters flying over head…DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM THEN RUTH????

    They get a look of terror and horror in their little eyes and they cry and they scream….

    YAHOOODI! YAHOOODI!

    Let me translate that for you, you cold hearted zionist nazi!!!

    It means…

    THE JEWS! THE JEWS!

    Get it yet Ruth? NO?

    WELL THAT IS WHO YOUR PEOPLE ARE NOW! NO BETTER THAN THE NAZIS. IN FACT YOU ARE MUCH WORSE THAN THE NAZIS EVER WERE!

    This is what you have done to Palestinian children! Do you think all those Palestinian children will grow up wanting to be the friend of Jews????

    You zionist Jews, one day, you mark my words, one day you will wake up and you will not find one single friend any where on this earth. And then, your dream of being the most hated people on earth, will finally come true.

    I hope then your people will finally be satisfied once and for all.

    But I won't hold my breath on that one. Because your people are NEVER EVER SATISFIED with any thing.

    For the record let me state that neither I nor any Palestinian person I know has any conflict with any Jew who is not a Zionist. Nor is occupying property in Palestine that belongs to the Palestinian people and only they hold the true and rightful deeds and titles to. Nor with any Jew or any other person who does not support the zionist aparthied illegal state of "israel homeland for the Jew and the Jew only".

    Our conflict is only with Zionists be they Jew or not Jew. Any one who supports the state of "israel" in any way shape or form is considered to be a Zionist and therefore is and always shall be our enemy until they return what belongs to us and until they stop killing our people!

  17. #17 by mantiqaltayr on October 9, 2009 - 9:49 pm

    Hey he forgot to add “stop pissing off Ruth Bernstein.”

  18. #18 by robertvnik on October 10, 2009 - 12:44 am

    Number 10; Federal Reserve.
    If this writer was not a jew then I suspect he is ignorant of the motives behind jews abolishing the gold standard. If he is a jew as the article implies then I suspect he has used this article to promote a great lie which is easily misunderstood. Our freedoms are strongly linked to the need for a gold standard.
    The jewish bankers have spent the last century doing their utmost to convince the world that there is no need for a gold standard while this article implies they do not want it. A gold standard means they cannot indiscriminatly print (or create in computer form) an unending supply of fiat money. Without a gold standard they are free to make as many loans as they wish and so indebt the whole of society to them as well as fund whatever war efforts suit them. By doing so they are debauching the currencies involved which is steadily reducing the people to servitude as their personal financial situation ever worsens. Remember the old saying; ‘the borrower is always slave to the lender’. Having a gold standard simply means that anyone can take their fiat money(eg USA dollars) and redeem them for the govt gaurantied amng of physical gold. Creating too much fiat money would be far too risky in case every one decided they wanted their gold now.
    The zionists illuminist bankers want us all to see gold and silver ownership as part of stupid ancient history, because these things stop us from being totally dependent upon them.
    Our liberties are dependent upon the ability to use silver and gold as money independent of fiat currencies. The federal reserve works hard to keep us from returning to a gold standard.

  19. #19 by rehmat1 on October 10, 2009 - 3:27 am

    #18 Stop smearing campaign against Ahmadinejad

    “Digging into peoples ethnic past and family bloodline is not a common practice you expect from the Western press. It is something you tend to leave for racists, Nazis and Rabbis. For one reason or another, no one in the so called free press tried to dwell on the close ties between multi billion swindler Bernie Maddof and his tribe. The Free Press saved itself also from dealing with Wolfowitz’s ethnicity, in spite of the fact that the Zionist war he brought on us has cost 1.5 million lives by now. If you wonder how it is that the Western free media is reverting to ‘pathology’ in order to deal with a Muslim president, the answer is simple not to say trivia.” – Gilad Atzmon in “Who is Jew?”

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/ahmadinejad-from-jewish-to-taliban-supporter/

  20. #20 by Amerikagulag on October 10, 2009 - 3:28 am

    Ladybat, I’m floored by your words and my heart goes out to you. Only evil would visit upon people what the Palestinians are enduring.

    Funny you should say, “Why is it that your people are forever over and over no matter where you go, always ending up making every one around you hate your guts?”…because I recently came across this, much of which I was unaware of:

    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

    Even better, the only country not on the list is Egypt! Yet that is the ONLY country they claim to have been ousted from – and THAT wasn’t even true. Talk about ironies.

    But the recent holocaust in Gaza is only one of a long string of systematic actions on the part of that evil zionist entity. Here are the others:

    http://www.soundofegypt.com/palestinian/adult/massacres.htm

    And if there’s really any doubt about what the Zionist apartheid Israel is doing to the Palestinians, I think these maps speak volumes:

    http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/05/10/the-shrinking-map-of-palestine/

    Zionism: Because white supremacy has an even uglier sister.

    Peace to you Ladybat and welcome to your family.

  21. #21 by Doug on October 10, 2009 - 7:33 am

    Dear fellow Jews,
    After considering your proposal regarding anti-semitism, I am so sorry to inform you that your plan will not work. You see, we must lie. We cannot stop lying. We will never stop lying. We are taught to lie from birth. There is no truth in our religion.

    Yours truly,
    Benard Schmecklewortz.

  22. #22 by Jalid on October 10, 2009 - 5:59 pm

    I use to argue with this guy from Jordan all the time.
    Jordan is one of the two Arab countries that have signed Peace agreements with Israel.
    Secular Jordanians support the treaty.
    And he is one of them.
    I had not seen him the Gaza events and The other day i stopped by his shop.
    This is what he said:
    “Its us or them”.
    I drank his coffe and listened to what he had to say.
    He was almost crying when he spoke.
    They messed up big time in Gaza and there is NOTHING, there is nothing they can do to make up for this.
    they are not even trying.
    This time, this “still time” is just the time it takes to cross the bridge to THE MAIN EVENT.

  23. #23 by Xanadu on October 10, 2009 - 8:54 pm

    Ladybat October 9, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    This is an exceptionally eloquent post. Ladybat speaks for many of us on this site. Hers is the voice of truth. It is to be hoped that this Palestinian lady will remain among us on this site and continue to offer us the fruits of her wisdom.

  24. #24 by Xanadu on October 10, 2009 - 8:57 pm

    mantiqaltayr October 9, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Hey, he forgot to add “stop pissing off Ruth Bernstein.”

    Trust Mantiq to deliver the final death blow. Cruel man! :)

  25. #25 by Xanadu on October 10, 2009 - 9:00 pm

    I almost feel sorry for old Ruthie. Nobody loves her. I guess it’s because she’s basically unlovable. It’s not easy loving a 24-carat bitch.

  26. #26 by robertvnik on October 10, 2009 - 10:27 pm

    Amerikagulag
    You seem so insistant that the bible is a fraud and the old testament stories are all myth and that archeology disproves the bible.
    Archeology actually supports the bible. Over the years several archeologist have made news in the christian world because of their conversion to christianity as a result of their archeological findings. One example was William Ramsay a wealthy english archeologist who set out to prove the bible wrong in support of his atheism. After decades of research he was compelled to admit defeat and accepted Jesus Christ as lord and saviour. He found that archeology never disproves the bible but often affirms what is written therein.
    There are over 25,000 archeological sites pertaining to the bible and many more thousands of records with names and events suggesting the bible is accurate.
    Apart from archeology perhaps you could spend some time studying the mathematical structure of the bible. It is beyond human ability to produce such a book. The bible is indeed a wonderful book unequalled in the world. Of course I do not claim to be a match for it by my behaviour at times(or even my thoughts) and nor do I claim those who say they are believers are gods chosen. He will be the judge.

  27. #27 by Jalid on October 11, 2009 - 12:02 am

    This fellow Jew forgot to tell his people to stop killing babies.
    Nobody likes to see dead babies.
    thats gross,
    Like les visible said.
    “Babies dont grow on trees”.
    Dont kill babies with a eighty hundred mm cannon,
    Fucking Bastards.

  28. #28 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 11, 2009 - 3:39 am

    No matter who the unknown author is, this is very clever style of writing.

    Wendy Campell: Thanks for your articulate perspective. Believe me, Israel can have peace tomorrow if she return back to the Palestinians what is rightfully theirs. Nor more, no less.

    In fact Israel was admitted in the U.N. with the condition that it complies with U.N.R-164.
    The Resolution states:
    Return back the Palestinian land it stoles, and allow the refugees to return back to their home and properties or compensate them. Israel so far did neither.

    Ruth Bernstein: “I don’t like this article. It is making fun of Jews. It is satirical. It is scoffing and sarcastic. It will stir up enmity against Jews.

    Also, the man who wrote this article is a coward. Because he doesn’t even sign his name. Who the hell is “Unknown Author”?

    Come on, Unknown Author, who the hell ARE you?

    I bet it’s that creep Mark Glenn.

    Shameless Ruth, you don’t know Mark Glenn. If you look up the word courage in the dictionary, you will see Mark Glenn’s picture. Your false allegation about Mark is ludicrous. You reminded of the of the skeleton who left the court before defending himself. Reason is: he have no leg to stand on. Viva Palestina!

  29. #29 by Greg Bacon on October 11, 2009 - 2:05 pm

    Jews are a religion, not a race.

    How?

    Easy. How can a ‘race’ of people include white-skinned, blue-eyed eastern European interlopers and also claim dark-skinned Africans as Jews?

    As for stopping the ‘smear’ campaign against Ahmadinejad, maybe he needs to keep his mouth shut at times.

    During his recent talk at the UN, Ahmadinejad could of used his 15 minutes to tell the world he’s speaking for those who have no voice, the Palestinians and even showed graphic pics of the Israeli Death Machine 2008-09 bloody invasion….and thereby drawing attention to the Goldstone report.

    Instead, he started babbling about the Holocaust™ and gave the Zionist media the sound bites they needed to portray Israel as some poor little country being set upon by ME madmen… which they did.

    Ahmadinejad helped the Zionist media bury the Goldstone report.

    He’s either a damn fool or a Zionist shill.

  30. #30 by Amerikagulag on October 11, 2009 - 10:48 pm

    Hmmmm, comments being censored. I did post several links in a comment but….well maybe comments are closed.

  31. #31 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 12, 2009 - 12:28 am

    Someone in Canda send me this video clip.
    This is very appropriate for this discuccion.
    The real Israel. You may call it Israel 101
    Warning! Ruth Bernstein, please take your pill before watching.

  32. #32 by morris on October 12, 2009 - 10:34 pm

    Khalid Amayreh: Israel could do the unthinkable

  33. #33 by kenken on October 13, 2009 - 3:08 am

    #18a Give Back stolen Land
    Leave that place where the Zionist Brits trapped you in; Palestine is not good for you. You cannot survive in the middle of millions who do not speak your language, nore believe in your religion. You have been trying to do so for 62 years and still you are making more enemies than friends. Enslaving the owners of that land is opening the eyes of the world to your aggression.

    #19 Be Logic

    The 4000 thousnad years old promise had been cancelled and forgotten 2000 years ago.

  34. #34 by Ladybat on October 13, 2009 - 5:06 pm

    There are some very well informed people on this board that really do know the score! It always does my heart great good when I see so many people coming together who no longer nor perhaps ever did support the zionist state of “israel”.

    Amerikagulag, thank you for your kind words of support and for the links you shared. I don’t know what we would do if we did not have the net. It really is the only chance we have of hearing the truth now. And the net has gone a long way to change the thinking of people where “israel” is concerned. You will notice that I do not capitalize the word “israel” for obvious reasons. And I put ” marks beside it. That is because it is a made up word that people like me do not accept. That place where that made up word is being bantered is PALESTINE. Always has been and always will be. There has never been any place in the middle east called “israel”. Not on any map no matter how old and not even on any drawings on cave man walls. No word like this has ever existed.

    It is the same exact thing as when we Americans lost the Vietnam war for the Vietnamese people and so thousands of them, refugeed, came here to the US to live. We gave them permission to come here to live.

    Palestinians gave no permission to any people to descend upon their lands and more important they did not give permission because NO ONE BOTHERED TO EVEN ASK THEIR PERMISSION. But only forced a foreign people upon them who came and took their personal homes from them by force!

    Now I ask you my fellow Americans. What if the Vietnamese people, the ones we took in after we lost their war for them, what if they demanded that half or 80% of America be set aside for them and them only? A HOMELAND FOR BUDDAH OR ASIAN PEOPLE ONLY. Or homeland for Vietnamese people only. And that we Americans that live on the half or 80% of America that they want to be their homeland for them and them only must leave our homes on that part of America and just walk away from them and forget about them.

    What do you think the American people would have said to those Vietnamese people?

    And yet we do not understand why the Arabs also felt the same way about the European victims of Hitler who came to Arabia. Palestine. And demanded that half of it be set aside for them and them only.

    Back then, those days after world war 2. The Arabs said “NO!” You cannot have any of our lands for a state for you European colonists. For you and you only. “NO!” The Arabs said back in those days.

    The answer was “NO!” then. The answer is still “NO!” Today and a thousand years from now the answer will still be “NO!”

    And my fellow Americans, we pay for this crime every single day with our hard earned tax dollars that are extorted from our pockets and used to kill innocent Palestinian people WHO HAVE NEVER DONE ANY WRONG TO YOU AND ME!

    And we pay for every other Arab and Persian innocent civilian snuffed out and killed all for the sake of our world domination wars! For what? Every Arab and Persian we have killed have done nothing to deserve it! Some, only acted in self defense of their own homeland and fighting against foreign occupation. THE SAME THING YOU AND I WOULD DO IF FACED WITH THE SAME!

    Please do yourselves one favor. Go and look up George Washington’s fare well address…. if you never read another historic speech again please read that one….

    Its long but its so very worth it. Its as if he took a look into the future of America and saw exactly where we would be today and he tried so hard to warn us against going down that path. He told us….”do not favor any one nation above all others. To do so would be the greatest folly we could ever make”

    Is there any more fine example of us having done exactly that when you look at our relationship with the apartheid “state of israel” today?

    There is no better example.

    BTW… I am LadyBat…. I am wife to a Palestinian. His family are all from Gaza. And this is where I stand….

    AMERICA IS MY MOTHER…. PALESTINE IS MY SPOUSE…

    I stand and defend both from the zionist empire of which I believe is the enemy to us all. To both my mother and my spouse. And enemy to the whole world. Even to their own selves.

    For those who are interested these are my videos I made where I have used photos, art, and music to describe the conflict and the wrongs my once great and wonderful nation the United States of America has done. Will we learn from our past or will we only keep repeating it till we end up destroying the whole planet that we must all share and live on together?

    Son Of A Refugee (Patriarch) WARNING! EXPLICIT LANGUAGE

    Animals Like Us by Aaron Engilsh (Political)

    Fly O child of Palestine! Yves Larock (motivation dance video)

    Further from the truth by Bliss (For Palestine) Warning graphic photos!

    Ode to Palestine (Patriarch Son Of A Refugee)(some explicit language)

  35. #35 by Doug on October 14, 2009 - 5:55 am

    Ladybat,
    I call it “Is-it-real?” And I cap that.

  36. #36 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 14, 2009 - 3:25 pm

    Ladybat said, <>

    I’ll say, you made this Palestinian very proud again! Also thanks for sharing the videos.

    Greg Bacon: You made a good point about Ahmaddinejad’s speeches. Unlike the 90 minutes speech by Qaddafi at the U.N., at least Ahaddinejad, did what you suggest during Kathie Curick interview.

    Xanadu: I second your motion about Ruthbitch Bernstein. Even though Ladybat made her dizzy, Mantiqaltayr is the one who will deliver the final death blow. I like his biting sarcasm. He always fires above the waist. Ruthie is the like a cat- it has 7 lives.

    Where on earth is Ruth Santiago! Lets hope she has over dozed herself.

  37. #37 by Jalid on October 14, 2009 - 8:32 pm

    Zanadu,
    here is the difference between you and I,
    I go to another forum filled with jewish scum. If you were to go there you would write domething like,
    “We are all God’s children” etc,
    This is WHAT i told them today,

    “I dont know why sometimes when I come here I experience the same feeling I would get when sometimes I hurriedly rush to the toilet …
    all dizzy with bowel movement, nausea, veins on my forehead popping and all; the trauma from having ingested some kind of bacteria. It is the hebrew in here.”

    “It may be that i pictured them as being the ones pulling the triggers that fire the bullets
    thru the soft hearts of little babies in Gaza, taking their lives. It may be that they have relatives doing it as we speak. It may be that they are retired professional snipers whose specialty is just that: killing the baby in the cradle just like they did Cry st. A hint would be: they do it in christmas.”

  38. #38 by Jalid on October 14, 2009 - 8:33 pm

    “It is then, this, the reason i switch to the news every day, every five minutes more like,
    hoping praying WISHING, a disaster of major consequences and huge loss of he brow lives occurs soon. I hope three or four of their planes would fall at once. A tsunami that would wash away every artificial city of theirs. An earthquake that would in a clean way swallow half their population into the underground of the planet FOREVER. And i say this from the deepest of heart.”

  39. #39 by Jalid on October 14, 2009 - 8:44 pm

    So to you guys in the West i say,
    Keep enabling their murderous behaviour.
    keep giving them guns and planes.
    keep excusing their criminal enterprise.
    but dont forget,
    dont forget that the upper hand the unjust holds today is not perrenial in any way.
    dont forget that our babies, and that our women, sisters, mothers, wifes and daughters are holly to us.
    Dont forget that we will never forget nor forgive the tears mixed with make up that replaced the smile of our loved girls, terrorised by your bombing many a wedding party, purposedly turning joy into terror all while your pilots screamed,
    “right on dude!”
    The future of the little bastards they raise will inherit the tab-

  40. #40 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 14, 2009 - 9:50 pm

    Was it Americkagulag who posted the comment asking Ruth to post her email address so the unknow author may contact her? Whoever it was, thanks for calling this bitch bluff.

    I bet if she were to post her email, she will be burried with friendly messages. I made several attempt in the past to search her. No such luck! Maybe she is FAKE after all. What about those paid foot soldier who is getting paid by the israeli Foreign Minitsrary to inflitrate sites that are not frienly to israel.

  41. #41 by Michael Santomauro on October 14, 2009 - 9:54 pm

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  42. #42 by Ladybat on October 15, 2009 - 1:02 am

    Again, this message board rocks. Now, this is what I call giving is ra HELL……

    HELL!

    Well, they cried anti semite for ever and ever and now they finally got their wish.

    They are the most hated people on earth. Just like they wanted to be.

    There once was a time when they had my sympathy. I was a typical American growing up with Holocaust movies being crammed down my throat from the time I was old enough to comprehend human language. I used to cry over those old films. I thought all German people were evil.

    Since then…I’ve grown up and became “de matrixed”.

    Now I don’t even have any interest what so ever in seeing any films about the Jewish Holocaust.

    NOT AFTER WHAT I SAW TAKE PLACE IN GAZA LAST YEAR! I watched that horror unfold every day that it happened. I saw all the film footage every single day. Something inside me broke then. Something I knew would never ever be the same again. I’ve never seen real true life horror of war film footage like that in my life before. It broke something inside of me. Devil devil zionist Nazis! Worse than the Nazis. The Nazis only lasted a few years but the devil zionazis have lasted more than 70 years! I WILL NEVER EVER FORGET WHAT YOU ZIONAZIS DID TO GAZA! And I will not ever forgive you for it! I will spend the rest of my life trying every single day to expose you for all that you have done and what you will do. And I will keep on making sure that every single one of my people here in America knows exactly WHO AND WHAT YOU ARE!

    All you zionazis out there that might be reading this but do not have the guts to face all of us who are so angry at you….

    Do you see what your “israel homeland for the jew and the jew only” has done???

    Its so bad now most people just roll their eyes when they even hear the word “holocaust”.

    Times have sure changed have they not?

    As long as you occupy Palestinian lands and take Palestinian lives its only going to get worse for you. You have the power and the money. But you do not have the internet.

    IN here, the battlefield is even. And your “israel homeland for the Jew and the Jew only” will not even be able to take a pooh pooh with out the entire world knowing about it.

    You claim you are “God’s chosen and that land belongs to you because He says so”….

    If God were on your side why then is it that the Arabian people, THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, why is it that they multiply faster than you? Even when faced with horrible odds they still manage to increase their numbers faster than you no matter what you do! So it looks to me like God is on their side then and NOT YOURS! If he were on yours it would be you who would be increasing. But you are not. Your numbers grow smaller while the Arab numbers grow larger! NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!

    Bet that just chaps your zionazi asses doesn’t it?

    NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
    TO RESIST IS TO EXIST
    EVEN IF IT TAKES A THOUSAND YEARS!

    Bat

  43. #43 by kenken on October 15, 2009 - 2:56 am

    10.08.2009 | The Jerusalem Post

    By LARRY DERFNER
    Virtually all of Israel is now speaking in one voice against the Goldstone report, against any attempt to blame us over the war in Gaza. We’ve honed our message to a sharp point and, inspired by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s performance at the UN, we’re delivering it with just the right tone of outrage:

    How dare anyone deny us the right to self-defense! How dare anyone deny us the right to fight back against terrorism!

    Very nice. Puts everyone else on the defensive. The right to self-defense is up there with motherhood and apple pie – who’s going to come out against it, especially for us, for Israel, for the Jews, for the people of the Holocaust?

    The right to self-defense – perfect.

    But I’d like to ask: Do the Palestinians also have the right to self-defense?

    We probably wouldn’t admit it out loud, but in our heads we would say – again, in one voice – “No!”

    This is the Israeli notion of a fair deal: We’re entitled to do whatever the hell we want to the Palestinians because, by definition, whatever we do to them is self-defense. They, however, are not entitled to lift a finger against us because, by definition, whatever they do to us is terrorism.

    That’s the way it’s always been, that’s the way it was in Operation Cast Lead.

    AND THERE are no limits on our right to self-defense. There is no such thing as “disproportionate.” We can blockade Gaza, we can answer Kassams with F-16s and Apaches, we can take 100 eyes for an eye.

    We can deliberately destroy thousands of Gazan homes, the Gazan parliament, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Interior, courthouses, the only Gazan flour plant, the main poultry farm, a sewage treatment plant, water wells and God knows what else.

    Deliberately.

    After all, we’re acting in self-defense. By definition.

    And what right do the Palestinians have to defend themselves against this?

    None.

    Why? Because we’re better than them. Because we’re a democracy and they’re a bunch of Islamo-fascists. Because ours is a culture of life and theirs is a culture of death. Because they’re out to destroy us and all we are saying is give peace a chance.

    One look at the ruins of Gaza ought to make that plain enough.

    Here is our idea of the “laws of war”: When Israeli bulldozers rolled across the border into Gazan villages and flattened house after house so Hamas wouldn’t have them for cover after the IDF pulled out, that was self-defense. But if a Palestinian boy who’d lived in one of those houses threw a stone at one of the bulldozers, that was terrorism.

    The Goldstones of the world call this hypocrisy, a double standard. How dare they! Around here, we call it moral clarity.

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  44. #44 by Ruth Bernstein on October 15, 2009 - 8:55 am

    WHY AM I BEING VICIOUSLY ATTACKED? THIS HAS TO STOP!!!

    Mark Glenn, I appeal to you! Block these hurtful ad hominem attacks on me, a helpless female who has no way of defending herself. Clever and evil operators like Jalid, Ladybat, Mahmoud El-Yousseph, Jeremy, Amerikagulag, and even the evil genius Mantiq are ganging up against me and calling me an “EVIL BITCH”. I just can’t believe the level of hatred.

    THIS HAS TO STOP! NOW. IT IS ANTI-SEMITIC TO ATTACK A JEW!

    IT COULD LEAD TO NEW HOLOCAUSTS! IT IS A PREPARATION FOR NEW AUSCHWITZES! IT IS A FORM OF HOLOCAUST DENIAL!

    Anyone who can’t see this needs psychiatric treatment.

  45. #45 by Ruth Bernstein on October 15, 2009 - 8:56 am

    To Mahmoud El-Yousseph:

    Mahmoud, you have been particularly nasty. Just because you are clever and educated and write so well is no excuse for being so wicked.

    You’re always calling me a “bitch” and saying bad things about me. I resent that. I expect an apology from you.

    In future, I expect you to behave like a gentleman and set a good example.

  46. #46 by Ruth Bernstein on October 15, 2009 - 8:57 am

    Finally, I wish to give one example of absolute stupidity. The poster called Xanadu says this about me:

    Full Marks to Mark Glenn for having the patience and tolerance to put up with this mad Jewess, bitch Ruth Bernstein. She gives us a glimpse into the dark recesses of the Jewish soul.

    Great. So I’m not only a mad bitch, I’ve also got dark recesses in my soul. I am portrayed as EVIL. And yet, I am one of God’s Children. I am a special person, one of the Chosen.

    This is what Xanadu says later, confirming everything I have just said:

    “We are all God’s children, including the Evil Jew.

    If I’m an Evil Jew, I am also one of God’s children. Xanadu has said so. Game, set and match to me!

    To everyone who has attacked me, I have only two words to say now: “F*** OFF!!!”

  47. #47 by Xanadu on October 15, 2009 - 4:25 pm

    Ladybat October 15, 2009 at 1:02 am

    “Again, this message board rocks. Now, this is what I call giving is ra HELL…… HELL! Well, they cried anti semite for ever and ever and now they finally got their wish. They are the most hated people on earth. Just like they wanted to be.

    Ladybat, welcome to this site. Yours is the voice of true eloquence. And you tell it like it is. I hope you’re not married, because I bet Jalid is already half in love with you! Jalid is our resident Palestinian poster: poet, novelist and philosopher, currently living in Venezuela.

    Jalid’s family owned lots of propert in Palestine and lost it all in the Nakba of 1948. Like you, Jalid is consumed with rage at the injustice done to the Palestinian people. He’s a good guy and I like him enormously, as everyone else does on this website.

    Like most other people on this site, however, including yourself, Jalid is possessed by the demon of indiscriminate anti-Semitism. When he heard that the Holocaust was a hoax and that 6 million JEWS had NOT died, Jalid expressed disappointment. What a pity, he said, that so few Jews had actualy died! Oh, what a shame that all the 16 million Jews of the world had not perished in the gas chambers!

    This is madness. It’s over the top.

    I can understand these sentiments, Ladybat. If you have similar feelings, I can understand them.

    We have all seen what happened in Gaza last year. We are sickened to the core by the sheer madness and brutality of the Zionist entity. But please, let there be some sense of proportion in your rage! Do not include my dear Jewish painter friend Jill in your rage. Jill’s a good girl. Totally innocent. Full of life and sparkle. She’s an anti-Zionist — and just happens to be born into a Jewish family. They have all rejected her because of her views. She lives in abject poverty and can’t even find the money for her rent, though her family are all multi-millionaires.

    Not all Jews are evil.

    Israel Shamir and Gilad Atzmon are not evil. Norman Finkelstein is not evil. I doubt if even Chomsky is evil.

    We are all seeing through a glass, darkly. We are sleepwalkers in a mist. I repeat: we are all children of God, even the Evil Jew.

    We must pray for the conversion of the Jews. When Christ enters their hearts, their sores will be healed. There will be peace on earth, and Palestine will be restored to its rightful owners.

    Soon may it come.

  48. #48 by Ladybat on October 15, 2009 - 7:12 pm

    Okay let me address Ruth and Xanadu…

    Ruth Bernstein…. First of all, I do not believe that you even are a Jew. I think you are a troll who has no real interest in this conflict but only like to jump in message boards like this one just to get people warring with each other. Your manner of speech is that of an obvious troll. You speak silly and if you are a true zionist Jew then you speak like a really really stupid one. I’ve been arguing with zionists on message boards every single day for the last 9 years. And REAL zionist Jews are much smarter and more sly than you seem to be. Let us take another look here at “Ms. Bernstein’s” words…

    ****************

    >>>>

    WHY AM I BEING VICIOUSLY ATTACKED? THIS HAS TO STOP!!!

    Mark Glenn, I appeal to you! Block these hurtful ad hominem attacks on me, a helpless female who has no way of defending herself. Clever and evil operators like Jalid, Ladybat, Mahmoud El-Yousseph, Jeremy, Amerikagulag, and even the evil genius Mantiq are ganging up against me and calling me an “EVIL BITCH”. I just can’t believe the level of hatred.

    THIS HAS TO STOP! NOW. IT IS ANTI-SEMITIC TO ATTACK A JEW!

    IT COULD LEAD TO NEW HOLOCAUSTS! IT IS A PREPARATION FOR NEW AUSCHWITZES! IT IS A FORM OF HOLOCAUST DENIAL!

    Anyone who can’t see this needs psychiatric treatment.<<<<<<>>Ladybat, welcome to this site. Yours is the voice of true eloquence. And you tell it like it is. I hope you’re not married, because I bet Jalid is already half in love with you! Jalid is our resident Palestinian poster: poet, novelist and philosopher, currently living in Venezuela.<<>>>Jalid’s family owned lots of propert in Palestine and lost it all in the Nakba of 1948. Like you, Jalid is consumed with rage at the injustice done to the Palestinian people. He’s a good guy and I like him enormously, as everyone else does on this website.<<<>>>Like most other people on this site, however, including yourself, Jalid is possessed by the demon of indiscriminate anti-Semitism. When he heard that the Holocaust was a hoax and that 6 million JEWS had NOT died, Jalid expressed disappointment. What a pity, he said, that so few Jews had actualy died! Oh, what a shame that all the 16 million Jews of the world had not perished in the gas chambers!

    This is madness. It’s over the top.

    I can understand these sentiments, Ladybat. If you have similar feelings, I can understand them. <<<

    *******************

    Well, of course, when I say I have no longer any sympathy for the Jews of Europe who lived through the Holocaust, I mean, that I no longer wish to hear about it. Because they have shown no sympathy about the Palestinian holocaust. I am not a person who believes that the holocaust never happened. I do think however, that it has been greatly exacterated and the numbers of the people killed are not the true number and that there are people getting paid restitution to this day that does not deserve to be paid any thing. And I feel that they have used the holocaust as an excuse to do to Palestine what they have done to it. This is wrong plain and simple.

    When I see as many movies on the video store shelves showing the horrors of the Palestinian holocaust as there are of movies on the shelves of video stores showing the horrors of the Jewish holocaust in Europe, perhaps then and ONLY then will I feel their sad historic story is worthy of my attention and my ear. BUT AS LONG AS HOLLYWOOD AND THE REST OF THE WORLD does not think my dear Palestine is a historic horror story worthy of telling then my ears are turned off to any historic telling of the plight of the Jews of Europe.

    Understand me in this…its not that I think what Hitler did was right. ITS THAT I NO LONGER CARE. Because in all these years no one has cared about my Palestine. Until the world does show that it cares for my Palestine I will not give my heart or sympathy to a past people in Europe who were done a great wrong. That was 80 years ago and that conflict over. But the holocaust of the Palestinian people is HAPPENING TODAY, RIGHT NOW, IN FRONT OF OUR VERY EYES, and that is why it deserves our attention more than a conflict in Europe that has been over for nearly 80 years.

    But I guess when it comes down to it… the conflict between the jews in Europe and the European people never really did end after all did it? No it did not… Europe just sent the people they had their conflict with to Arabia and forced the Arabian people to take them off Europe's hands once and for all.

    But Arabia said NO to this.

    And today, 70 years later, the Arabs are still saying NO.

    The world simply does not know how to take "NO" for an answer.

    Bat

  49. #49 by Ladybat on October 15, 2009 - 7:21 pm

    I see that a big section of my post was left out in my last reply. Is there a limit on the amount of words in each post we are allowed? My posts do tend to be a bit long I’m afraid.

    Or was it something in the post that I said that is not allowed?

    –note from me, MG–I did not cut anything out. It may have been a formatting problem with the blog itself.

  50. #50 by Montecristo on October 15, 2009 - 9:01 pm

    Ruth Bernstein is not a troll, she is a “useful idiot.”

    Well said, Bat. You speak eloquently. But I don’t think you’ve been on this site long enough to be able to dismiss Ruth Bernstein so easily as a “troll.” You are a relative newcomer to this site and know NOTHING about her.

    Ruth Bernstein has been posting on this site for over a year and her comments have always elicited exceptional interest. And a bit more tolerance, may I add, than YOU are willing to show.

    Don’t you think Mark Glenn would have thrown Ruth off this site long ago if her whole intention had been to screw up his site and “get people warring with each other”?

    I’m afraid your logic leaves a lot to be desired, dear Bat. People could only “war with each other” if some people LIKED Ruth and other people HATED her. That is not so. Nobody likes Ruth here. Nobody defends her. She has NO supporters. Everyone is UNITED in detesting her. So there’s no possibility of people “warring with each other” over Ruth.

    Finally, Ruth Bernstein is not only a poster. She also writes articles which take the same Jewish supremacist line. She is not a woman you can afford to patronize, dear Bat. I would ask to show a little more humility.

    Here is an exceptionally well-written article Ruth wrote for this site. It was published elsewhere on the internet also. You may not agree with its sentiments, but I assure you that it is written with a passion that equals your own.

    Trolls don’t write articles, dear Bat. Useful idiots may do so, but not trolls!

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/happy-days-for-the-jews/

  51. #51 by Jalid on October 15, 2009 - 10:41 pm

    Here you are again mentioning Israel shamir and Gilad Atzmon, two Jews that turn dust into gold and gold into dust.
    When in reality they are nothing but irrelevant. As irrelevant as Jesus himself.
    You say that they should (all Jews) convert to christianity?
    what for?
    you wanna mix Chlorine with Ammonia?
    Christians today (against Jesus wishes) are killing more people than even Jews are.
    Israel Shamir and Atzmon continously mention “Israel” as if it is a given fact. trying to make us all ingest the “fact on ground” that Ms. Hanan Ashrawi rightly mentioned.
    palestinians, Arabs And Muslims will never recognise Israel in their hearts.
    It is disrespectful to the memory of the innocent.
    The Khazarian Jew WILL leave.
    Israel Shamir and Gilad Atzmon will need a visa to come to my country.

  52. #52 by Wendy Campbell on October 16, 2009 - 4:46 am

    Jilad, I agree with you with regards to Israel Shamir will need a visa to come to your country though he may fight that, but Gilad Atzmon will gladly accept your terms and apply for a visa for the upcoming democratic state of Palestine-Israel, on all of Palestine. After a while, no doubt the “Israel” will be dropped— it will just be Palestine.

    Gilad Atzmon is a true Palestinian rights advocate, whereas I believe Israel Shamir wants to cling to “his” home rather give it back to the rightful owners– the Palestinians.

    He also fought in the Yom Kippur War and should apologize for that — it was not a worthy cause.

    He also has many aliases, and could be a Mossad agent for all we know.

    He’s written some good things, but he merely criticizes Israel but still thinks that all the Jews should be able to stay in Palestine-Israel, even the most outrageous criminals amongst them. This shows he’s not a real pro-Palestinian activist in my book.

  53. #53 by AHMED K on October 16, 2009 - 10:13 am

    like the movie Independance Day , the Jewish State is like a big evil alien ship hovering over the Land of Palestine…
    this mforce of aliens have several other alien ships over Washington, London, Paris etc,etc…
    the Jewish State mothership over Palestine has no physical connection to the land…
    it’s merely casting it’s evil shadow…
    it needs to be destroyed, so the sun can shine again on the Holy Land of Palestine…

  54. #54 by AHMED K on October 16, 2009 - 1:13 pm

    unlike the movie Independance Day, the president of U.S.A. is not going to fight against the evil empire, but in the reality version, the pres and all his soldiers(Christians) and all the people’s (Christians) support is fighting, killing and being killed for the Evil Empire…

  55. #55 by Xanadu on October 16, 2009 - 6:16 pm

    Wendy Campbell October 16, 2009 at 4:46 am

    Jilad, I agree with you with regards to Israel Shamir [he] will need a visa to come to your country though he may fight that….He also fought in the Yom Kippur War and should apologize for that — it was not a worthy cause.

    He also has many aliases, and could be a Mossad agent for all we know.

    He’s written some good things, but he merely criticizes Israel but still thinks that all the Jews should be able to stay in Palestine-Israel, even the most outrageous criminals amongst them. This shows he’s not a real pro-Palestinian activist in my book.

    Hi Wendy,

    I’m a great fan of yours and have been reading marwenmedia for years now, but I must tell you in forthright terms that you are mistaken about Israel Shamir. Every single point you make is pure guesswork and speculation. People who did not know you might say your grievance against Shamir was a highly personal one, i.e., that you are motivated by spiteful animosity in making these completely unsubstantiated remarks.

    1. Shamir openly admitted to fighting in the Yom Kippur War. That’s the whole point. He was a Zionist at the time. Ever heard of St Paul? Wasn’t Paul a bad guy before he saw the light on the road to Damascus? Shamir had a religious conversion — just like St Paul! He became a Christian. He doesn’t have to “apologize” for fighting in the Yom Kippur War any more than St Paul has to “apologize” for persecuting Christians before his religious conversion.

    2. “He also has many aliases, and could be a Mossad agent for all we know.” Oh yeah? Name his aliases! Can you prove he is a Mossad agent? Can you provide us with even a shred of evidence? No, you can’t. Because there ISN’T any!

    3. Shamir is one of the most vocal supporters of One State for all, Jew and Arab alike — EXACTLY like Gilad Atzmon. I have read his books thoroughly. Have you? There is NOTHING in any of Shamir’s books to suggest he is the evil double-dealer you claim he is. His Christianity shines through everything he writes.

    You are welcome to your views, but you would do well to support them with FACTS! I don’t expect you to apologize for attacking a good honorable man. It’s your prerogative to make a fool of yourself.

  56. #56 by Wendy Campbell on October 16, 2009 - 6:37 pm

    Ahmed, I understand and agree with your assessment of many Christians these days– many of them are basically soldiers for the evil empires and unknowingly act as lackeys for the Zionist empire. I’ve gone to many churches, even some Catholic and Episcopalian churches and have been appalled to see how Jewish Zionists have taken them over–even literally groups of Jews pretending to have converted, and getting the priest to talk about Jews and Israel! Even at Easter! And reading racist, war-mongering passages from the Old Testament, such as the Deuteronomy– appearing to justify the Isarelites’ genociding of the Palestinians and other Arab enthicities! It’s mind-boggling– and I have protested all of this to these various priests and ministers. I don’t know if they get it, but they should.
    But many American Christians are definitely anti-war, and would like to be on friendly terms with everyone, and abhor what the ZioNazis are doing in Palestine. We are true believers in the inclusive teachings of Jesus Christ who is considered a very important prophet in the religion of Islam. Whereas in the so-called “religion” of Jews, they do not honor Jesus Christ as a prophet, and many denounce Him.

  57. #57 by Ladybat on October 16, 2009 - 6:50 pm

    Montecristo said….”Well said, Bat. You speak eloquently. But I don’t think you’ve been on this site long enough to be able to dismiss Ruth Bernstein so easily as a “troll.” You are a relative newcomer to this site and know NOTHING about her.”

    Makes no difference. Web message boards where zionists hang out are all over the net. I’ve been talking with zionist jews every day for the last 9 years. On average, they do not talk in public like this “Bernstein” woman. Because they know if they did they would for sure loose all support for “israel”. They hide that part of themselves in a one on one debate with other people. If this Bernstein woman is for real then she is a very very stupid zionist Jew. All be it, a dream zionazi for someone like me. As, its not always this easy to get a zionazi to expose her true inner self this way. If all Jews spoke like “Ruth” we Palestinian supporters would not have to say much of any thing to prove our points.

    Let us take a look at what she said…

    Ruth said….”Mark Glenn, I appeal to you! Block these hurtful ad hominem attacks on me, a helpless female who has no way of defending herself.”

    This sounds so silly. Very few women, much less a zionist Jewish woman would talk like this. “Helpless female”???? Give me a break. I still believe this woman to be a troll. Pretending to be something he/she is not.

    Let us look at some more of her words….

    Ruth said…”Clever and evil operators like Jalid, Ladybat, Mahmoud El-Yousseph, Jeremy, Amerikagulag, and even the evil genius Mantiq are ganging up against me and calling me an “EVIL BITCH”. I just can’t believe the level of hatred.”

    Most zionists will not complain out in public like this referring to those who disagree with them as being “clever”. And I have found when they feel they are being “ganged up on” they quickly go and get re inforcments of their own. Calling in all zionist Jews every where to come and help them out. Has “Ms Bernstein” brought any of her friends to this forum yet?

    Ruth said…”THIS HAS TO STOP! NOW. IT IS ANTI-SEMITIC TO ATTACK A JEW! ”

    Oh please, unless this person is one of the insane Jewish settlers in the west bank she/he is a troll. I’m sorry but her words do not even sound real to me even for a zionist Jew. They just do not talk like this in one on one debates in public with people who they know are going to answer them back. I only wish they would talk this way because if they did they would have the entire world hating their guts over night. Who in his right mind would support someone who talked like this? Zionist Jews are much smarter than this and way more sly. They do not display this side of their nature in public very often. Unless they are insane like the settlers in the west bank. Is “Ruth” a settler in the west bank? They are the only ones who are insane enough to actually talk like this out in public in front of cameras and the public eye of the whole world.

    Ruth said….”IT COULD LEAD TO NEW HOLOCAUSTS! IT IS A PREPARATION FOR NEW AUSCHWITZES! IT IS A FORM OF HOLOCAUST DENIAL!
    Anyone who can’t see this needs psychiatric treatment.”

    I am sorry but I feel this person is not who she/he claims to be. I know that there are people out there on the net who just love to mess with people’s heads. They pretend to be people they are not for their own entertainment and God knows what other reasons. I might be wrong, but as of now I still think “Ruth” is a troll. Sorry but that is MHO. And I am entitled to it.

    This “Ruth” sounds to me like a very very bad actor who is only over acting. Way to much drama in her act. Does not sound real at all. From my years of personal experience with debating zionist Jews on message board forums they are much more slick and sly than this “Ruth” person is. So she is either a troll or she is a very bad actor or she is a Palestinian supporter and activist’s dream message board opponent. Because she certainly is making our job a lot more easy.

    The reason this matters to me is I have seen people pose as Muslims and Arab people on the net as well when they are not who they claim to be. I think the world has enough problems with our conflicts as it is than to have to put up with that sort of thing too. After all, we are here to try to get to the bottom of our issues and what it is we want and expect from each other. How are we to do that when we have so many people who simply want to play sick games on their computers to disrupt what should be serious debate about serious issues?

    As some of my other Arab and Palestinian brothers have already said in this debate… for us it is and will always be about PALESTINE. Europe’s problems with their Jews is not our business nor our problems BUT WAS MADE OUR PROBLEM when Europe forced their European Jewish population upon our people in Palestine Arabia. We are not anti semetic because if we were we would be against our selves because Arabian people are semitic too. And Arabian Jews were and still are ARABS too. That is not the issue with us and no Arab disputes this fact. But we do not have to share our homeland with outsiders who are not Arabian at all especially when they come to our lands and steal from us as they have done. When you migrate to another place, to another people’s homeland, you must ask their permission first. You must offer to buy or lease a place to live in their homeland from them. If no one will sell or lease you a place to live then that does not mean that you can take from them a place to live by force and leave them homeless. This is not acceptable. And this is what this conflict is about for us.

    We are not interested in “converting Jews to another religion”. Nor are we against any Jew or any other person, no matter their race, no matter their religious beliefs. We are only about fighting for what belongs to us. This is our conflict with the European grandchildren of the victims of Hitler who claim to be Jews and nothing more. Other than the fact that they came to our lands as foreigners and took our personal private properties by force and murdered our people and are still, to this day, murdering our people and stealing what properties are left to us, we have no other conflict with them. For us it is not about religion or race. It is a property and human rights dispute only. We will not allow ourselves to be drawn into any one else’s conflicts with the Jews.

    I believe that people who serve as trolls on message boards are trying to get people distracted from what this conflict is really all about. IT IS ABOUT PALESTINE. THAT IS WHY THERE IS A CONFLICT. That is why there is war. End the occupation, return the Palestinian people’s private properties to them and there will be no more conflict. It is that simple.

    It seems that other people who are not Arab have issues with the Jews as well but they are not the same issues. They have a right to voice their issues as well too but their issues are separate from ours.

    Montecristo said…”Ruth Bernstein has been posting on this site for over a year and her comments have always elicited exceptional interest. And a bit more tolerance, may I add, than YOU are willing to show.”

    Look, do you wish to talk about this conflict or not? Tolerance is what the Palestinian people have had to show for the last 70 years. Today more Palestinian children have died while you and I type our arguments out on our key boards. Today more Palestinian families are being thrown from their homes as you and I speak. I will speak my own mind as I see fit to speak it. What you see is what you get from me. If that is not acceptable by this particular message board you have only to tell me to leave as message boards are all over the net. I lack for none. And really have time for very few.

    Montecristo said.

    “I’m afraid your logic leaves a lot to be desired, dear Bat. People could only “war with each other” if some people LIKED Ruth and other people HATED her. That is not so. Nobody likes Ruth here. Nobody defends her. She has NO supporters. Everyone is UNITED in detesting her. So there’s no possibility of people “warring with each other” over Ruth.”

    Exactly my point. She is one of a kind. A Palestinian supporter’s dream opponent. Where are the other Jews on this board who defend “israel”? With out opposition there is no debate. Only people propping each other up letting out their frustrations. This is what I see all over the net now. All people who support Palestine and who are against Jews all hang out together and all people who are zionists and supporters of “israel” hang out together and prop each other up.

    That means polarization and the two sides are talking only to themselves and not to each other.

    Montecristo said…

    “Don’t you think Mark Glenn would have thrown Ruth off this site long ago if her whole intention had been to screw up his site and “get people warring with each other”?”

    I think Mark Glenn is all about free speech and not interfering with it in any way. I doubt he would throw her or any one else off of here short of someone making a threat against someone’s else’s life.

    It is not easy owning and operating a message board forum. Very thin line to walk in that. Besides I believe Mark is a very busy person. He is about trying to get this conflict solved just like I am. Not just moderating message board forums.

    I am sorry if I have insulted this board with any of my words its just that I hate to see people get distracted from the issue itself. And, sometimes, there are people out there that have only that as their intention. TO DISTRACT US.

    Montecristo said…

    “Finally, Ruth Bernstein is not only a poster. She also writes articles which take the same Jewish supremacist line. She is not a woman you can afford to patronize, dear Bat. I would ask to show a little more humility.”

    Well first of all, the Bat does not do “humble”. Especially to zionist Jews. And she writes articles for THIS message board. I write articles for message boards too. We are all writers on message boards. That is the beauty of message boards in the first place. It gives us all a chance to be writers and have a voice. And sometimes what I write on message boards gets shown on other places on the net as well. That by no means makes me an important person to be listened to or makes me a good writer. I am only a person to be listened to if people find my words interesting and believable and therefor want to take the time to read them.

    Let me know when our dear “Ruth” gets published in “haaratz israeli news paper” and then I will take “her” more seriously.

    Montecristo said…

    “Trolls don’t write articles, dear Bat. Useful idiots may do so, but not trolls!”

    Oh Trolls are capable of being excellent writers. And there is no way to know if they are authors of web articles or not because of the fact that they keep their true identities secret.

    As I said the beauty of internet message boards is every one and their momma is a writer now.

    But I will take your words into consideration and hang out a bit longer on this board and watch things progress. Perhaps you might be right and “Ruth” is exactly who she claims herself to be. But as it stands with me right now…

    “Ruth Bernstein” is full of crap.

    And that is the lady Bat’s humble opinion. Only not so humble because lady bat has never been very good at doing “humble”.

    Peace out
    Bat

  58. #58 by Montecristo on October 16, 2009 - 7:32 pm

    LADYBAT: “But I will take your words into consideration and hang out a bit longer on this board and watch things progress. Perhaps you might be right and “Ruth” is exactly who she claims herself to be. But as it stands with me right now…

    “Ruth Bernstein” is full of crap.

    And that is the lady Bat’s humble opinion. Only not so humble because lady bat has never been very good at doing “humble”.

    Peace out
    Bat

    Well, well, what can Montecroisto say to this eloquent rebuttal of his cherished ideas? Nothing. Except to bow his head in shame and say, “Bat, you write like an angel and your words have had an impact on this pathetic imbecile who hides behind the grandiose name of “Montecristo”.

    Every point you make is accepted humbly by Montecristo — who does, incidentally, “do humble.” Pride does not become a worm like me. It sits well on a proud Palestinian lady, however, fighting for her homeland with the only weapon she knows how to use — and uses so well: WORDS. And what words! Words of surpassing eloquence that have put the wretched Montecristo to shame.

    Hail, Ladybat! Long may you live and prosper! And may Palestine one day be yours!

    Montecristo
    (licking his wounds and vanquished in argument).

  59. #59 by Ladybat on October 16, 2009 - 7:43 pm

    Jalid. Peace be upon you my brother. Your posts are some of my favorites.

    Never forget you have a kindred spirit and friend in the Lady Bat who stands with all Palestinian people no matter where they are in this world. Displaced or not displaced. Not forgotten no matter where they be and always waiting to return to Palestine.

    The land where the Prophets walked.

    It is all about “The Right Of Return” my brother. Never forget it. It is your right granted to you by the world court. And even though that same world court will not stand and enforce its own laws you must still not ever forget that law.

    Because my dear brother, though the thieves have stolen from you, as long as you never wave RIGHT OF RETURN, as long as you never give up that right or agree to that right being waved, then at least the thieves will always be that. THIEVES!

    And they will not have gotten any thing from you by your own permission. Nor by your own free will.

    God bless you my brother and God bless all other Palestinian and Arab brothers and sisters on this message board and every where they may be.

    And God bless all of you out there who have used your time on this earth to try and help the people of Palestine. For being a good friend to Palestine. For trying so hard to take a stand against the zionists and the crimes they have committed. You will not ever be forgotten by Palestine either.

    Let us all remember that there is nothing more dangerous to any society than a man who has nothing to loose.

    So think about how much that danger increases when its an entire race of people who have nothing to loose.

    Is that really what you want Palestine to be?

    End the occupation. Inforce UN resolutions about right of return for the people of Palestine. This is the only way peace can happen for our world.

    Peace out
    Bat

  60. #60 by Ladybat on October 16, 2009 - 8:10 pm

    Xanadu,

    I am interested in your opinion about Israel Shamir. I have always found Wendy’s judge of character where the zionists are concerned to be a very good one. She has had a lot of experience with them.

    So can you tell me please what is Mr. Shamir’s take is on right of return for the people of Palestine? Even though he says he is for one state for both peoples with equal rights, as you believe him to be, does that include right of return for those Palestinians who have had their private properties stolen from them?

    Because unless he is for right of return he is still a zionist. Because that is the main issue in this conflict even though most people on the “israeli” side would very much like to keep stalling by avoiding that issue all together.

    But you cannot be about real peace and justice and fairness unless you are for returning that which was stolen which is why we have this conflict in the first place. It is what started it and it cannot end it unless that has been rectified.

    The reason I am asking is because I personally do not know what Mr. Shamir’s opinion on right of return is. It has not been made clear to me.

    Wendy is usually turned off right away to any one who is not for right of return. This could be the reason she is not a fan of Mr. Shamir’s.

    This is the best way for us to tell who is a real zionist or not. Any one who is against the United Nations resolutions granting Palestinian people the right to return to their personal private homes and properties is a zionist no matter how many “nice peaceful” articles and books they write nor how many peace signs they hold in their “peace” marches.

    Unless you are willing to return what you have stolen….

    You are not about peace. And you are a zionist.

    So which is it for Mr. Shamir?

  61. #61 by Ladybat on October 16, 2009 - 9:33 pm

    Monty! You are very funny! Believe me, I do understand why you personally believe that “Ruth” is for real and exactly who she claims to be. And you might be right and I am the one who is wrong about her. We are all very very angry at the Jews. And in our anger we tend to believe that all Jews are basically the same with the same connected mind.

    This is simply not the case. I am fully aware that there are a lot of Jews out there that say out loud they want “israel” completely dismantled!

    There are people out there that want to use this against us. Our anger against us for their own agendas. It is the same thing for Arabs and Muslims. People pose as being us when they are not us. They pretend to be “Osamma bin Laden” types. Like Wahabbi types. And speak like stupid Arab desert people that you see in Hollywood films when in reality they are not even real Arabs. Oh yes Hollywood has done such a fine upstanding job at portraying Arab people in their films. In reality Arab people are not like the Hollywood movies at all. But only someone who REALLY DOES KNOW ARABS would know this and would recognize an impostor when they see one. See, all I am asking you to do is look at “Ruth” and ask yourself does this really sound like a typical Jew or does this sound like a propaganda made up Jew who people now expect to talk this way? Just like a lot of people expect the “hollywood made up Arab” to sound and act.

    You have done nothing wrong Monty and you have not offended me. And I hope I did not offend you either.

    Its about Palestine Monty. Thats all. And the Jews who live in Palestine, the ones who are the grandchildren of the European victims of Hitler, they are occupiers of Palestine. And they are trespassing and they know they are. They are only a desperate people who do not know what to do. They are paranoid as all thieves are paranoid. But they are stuck in a place they do not know how to get out of. They are backed against a wall. If they leave they do not know where to go to as they know they now have so many enemies they are afraid to live any where else. And they do not want to leave empty handed. So they are desperate and refuse to give up what they have hold of that does not belong to them.

    Let us remember it was not exactly they who stole Palestinian properties. It was their parents and grand parents. And they were only born to their parents. They were in fact BORN TRESPASSING AND STEALING ANOTHER PERSONS HOME.

    Only native Palestinian Arab Jews hold real and legal property titles and deeds to homes in Palestine. The people who came from Europe hold no legatiment deeds.

    So in the case of my father in law whose lands in Palestine were stolen from him. He passes the deeds and titles down to us his children upon his death as any father does for his children, leaves them his lands. And we then inherit his lands and we also inherit the squatters who are trespassing on our lands. His job of trying to get them removed is done because he has passed on but it is now our job to take over doing the same.

    It is what Europe has done to us. To us all.

    The European Russian Khazarian Jewish convert and the people of Palestine.

    The zionist Jewish sons will continue being the thieves occupiers and oppressors. And the sons of the oppressed and victimized will continue acting in self defense and doing what ever is necessary to get back what belongs to us.

    And the rest of the world will just sit back and wring its hands and hope that somehow someday some very angry desperate person will not get their hands on a weapon that will blow up our entire world.

    But of course…. We now know that the European grandchildren of the victims of Hitler already have that weapon. And the world knows it and is now very afraid of them and have good reason to be.

    Not a very smart thing to give to a desperate people who are nothing but thieves trying to hold on to their stolen goods.

    This is the legacy Europe has left us with. Do you see any German people living in refugee camps? No but who is living in refugee camps? Do you see Europe doing one single thing about this conflict that they caused themselves? No they do nothing but sit back and wring their hands and do the bidding of the great and powerful US of A. You know, America would not be able to so many of the awful things she does if more world leaders would simply get up the courage to say NO to her.

    But as I said before…. our first president George Washington always tried to warn us…”Do not let Europe drag you into her squabbles.. for if you do you will find yourselves never able to get out of them.” Words to that effect any way.

    Is there no finer example of this than America’s relationship with “israel” to this day? Since “israel” is a direct product of Europe? To bad we did not listen to George Washington, a man of very great sense.

    Peace Monty no offense taken by me and I hope none taken from you either.

    Bat

  62. #62 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 12:38 am

    I am not a big fan of Israel Shamir anymore as I have found out the following about him:

    1. He thinks that all “6 million” Jews in Israel-Palestine should be able to stay there, even though many of them are living in homes stolen from Palestinians and most of them are living on stolen Palestinian land. He does not address even the rabid werewolves who are the Jewish settlers (see what the Jewish settlers did to a poor Palestinian boy who was guilty only of throwing stones– they cut his arm off and left him to die– the story with photo is at http://www.cactus48.com, just for one of thousands of examples of the cruelty of the Zionist Jewish settlers who get away with murder and theft daily, and are protected by the IDF). Israel Shamir says nothing about these criminal Jewish settlers, many who have other homes in the US and elsewhere.

    2. He never says anything about how Jews from around the world should not be able to just up and go to Israel-Palestine and be an automatic citizen.

    3. He is very suspect, as he has many aliases, as it’s been proven — on websites with even his Swedish passport where his name is Joram Jemas. You’ll find it if you look. Could be that he is Mossad. Could be he is hired by the Mossad to get the trust of people who are pro-Palestinian human rights and then to try to control their opinions with regards to the Right to Return and expelling the illegitimate Jewish settlers, for instance.

    4. He splits his time between living in Sweden in the summer and Israel-Palestine in the winter, where he lives at the largesse of the American taxpayers, and since he lives in Jaffa, an old Palestinian town, he probably lives in a home whose rightful owners are Palestinian refugees.

    5.He never discusses in practical terms how the Palestinian Right to Return will be implemented, and about how the homes stolen by Zionists must be given back intact to their rightful Palestinian owners.

    6.Even on his website, he reveals that he served in the Israeli army for the Yom Kippur War in 1973– something he should not be proud of as it was not a worthy cause. The Egyptians were endeavoring to get back the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel had stolen during the Six Day War in 1967.

    7. Shamir also writes condescending comments about true pro-Palestinian activists such as myself and Swedish activist Lasse Wilhelmson– since we truly believe in the one-democratic-state solution, and fully support the Palestinian refugees’ inalienable Right to Return and to reclaim property that is rightfully theirs, and both Lasse and I both believe that the Israeli Jews who won’t go along with the upcoming truly democratic Palestine-Israel will have to leave Palestine-Israel.

  63. #63 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 17, 2009 - 3:59 am

    This might come as a shocker to many of you.

    I would like to issue a sincere apology to the Jewish

    Princess, Ruth Bernstein. Reason is: I failed to recognize or

    comment on her article posted on this site on Aug.29, 2009.

    This was brought to my attention by unfriendly comments made by Sardonicus and some one else.

    In all fairness to Ruth and the rest of the group, I was unaware of her article. Besides, this writer does not need to be prompted speak out. Be it positive comment or negative one.

    That said, I was the one who encouraged Ruth and challenged her early this Summer to write an article to this site about what she admire most about America. I even promised her to make a donation to her favorite Jewish charity [excluding ADL, JDL or any group that support the IDF or the occupation of Palestinian land. So, why would I after all totally ignore something I asked her to do? That makes no sence!

    Ruth, I know we don’t see eye to eye on the question of Palestine and we may never will. That said, your article, “Happy Days for the Jews” was brilliantly written and a master piece. I knew you have the potential after reading your first post. I just wanted you not to waste your talent on cussing and swearing and attacking everyone on this site because you disagree with them.

    The reason you were turned into a punching bag, it was because you said many mean spirited and nasty stuff, then you left your self open. One thing I remember the most is, you referred to the Arabs as “filthy” We have a commen idiomatic expression in Arabic, ” s/he who chooses to sleep between the graves, s/he will see nightmares.

    I know you have many sleepless nights recently. However; I hope you don’t expect me to apologize for calling you a bitch after all. I could have used more derogotary term, but I chose to be kinder and gentler to you.

    During the week your article was posted, I was busy celebrating my wedding anniversary, and entertaining my daughter who is your age, who was visiting us from Europe. Well, have a good life Ruth! The End.

  64. #64 by Ladybat on October 17, 2009 - 5:29 am

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph said

    “The reason you were turned into a punching bag, it was because you said many mean spirited and nasty stuff, then you left your self open. One thing I remember the most is, you referred to the Arabs as “filthy” We have a commen idiomatic expression in Arabic, ” s/he who chooses to sleep between the graves, s/he will see nightmares.

    I know you have many sleepless nights recently. However; I hope you don’t expect me to apologize for calling you a bitch after all. I could have used more derogotary term, but I chose to be kinder and gentler to you.

    During the week your article was posted, I was busy celebrating my wedding anniversary, and entertaining my daughter who is your age, who was visiting us from Europe. Well, have a good life Ruth! The End.”

    ********

    LOL!!

    I’m liking this board more every day. Its a nice cozy little hole in the wall web site message board but it sure is fun. And it has the potential to become very habit forming. Some really colorful personalities hanging out in here. Sort of a hip little place. Like one of those dark coffee shops back in the 60s where people would go to recite poetry.

    Yea. I like it.

  65. #65 by Xanadu on October 17, 2009 - 9:19 am

    For Ladybat and Wendy [1]

    “I am interested in your opinion about Israel Shamir. I have always found Wendy’s judge[ment] of character where the zionists are concerned to be a very good one. She has had a lot of experience with them. So can you tell me please what is Mr. Shamir’s take on right of return for the people of Palestine?

    — Ladybat.

    * * * * *

    It has always been my understanding that Shamir’s views are pretty much identical to my own. My own views, as Mark Glenn wouldm be the first to confirm, are anti-Zionist in the extree. I support the Palestinian people absolutely and am outraged at the ill-treatment and injustice they have had to endure ever since the Catastrophe of 1948 — and even before that. So naturally I am for the Right of Return and the restoration of all stolen lands and property.

    I have read Israel Shamir’s books and articles thoroughly and I have NEVER found anything in them which suggests to me he could be a Mossad agent or a Swedish anti-Semite pretending to be a Jew. All these lies about Shamir were spread about the internet by Shamir’s enemies. I have asked Wendy Campbell to provide proof that he is a Mossad agent. She is unable to do so. All she can do is lamely repeat that he “MAY” be one!

    Of course, Wendy is right.

    There could be fairies at the bottom of the garden. Hitler could still be alive in South America. 9/11 could have been done by the Martians. Anything’s possible. In precisely the same way, dear Bat, Shamir could be a Mossad agent.

    Actually, I adore Wendy. And that’s why I attack her. Because if I cannot speak frankly to someone I respect and admire, I might as well give up. I admire Wendy’s restraint. The way she replied to me after my somewhat intemperate attack on her. Yes, I adore Wendy, and ask her to forgive me for being so impolite.

  66. #66 by Xanadu on October 17, 2009 - 9:39 am

    For Ladybat and Wendy [2]

    As far as I can see, Shamir is for the Right of Return. Every Palestinian who wants to go back to Palestine can do so. As to the restoration of SPECIFIC properties, he is vague as to details but makes it clear that financial compensation and generous reparations must be paid to the Palestinians for what they lost. They are not going to come out losers.

    * * * * *

    Shamir no longer considers himself a Jew, but an EX-JEW. All Jews, he tells us, should “root the jewishness out of their hearts.” He regards “jewishness” as an evil taint in the character. Something almost demonic that needs to be exorcised. I don’t think most people, including the brilliantly clever Wendy, are aware of this idea of Shamir’s: “Jewishess” = evil trait to be eradicated from the soul. (Something that can be achieved only by a religious conversion and IN NO OTHER WAY).

    Shamir mixes freely in Jaffa with the Palestinians who regard him as one of themselves. He sits in cafes, drinking coffee with them, hobnobbing with them for hours. In fact, he calls himself a “Palestinian Christian.”

    * * * * *

    I think you must remember one other thing about Shamir: he is a poet, not an academic type like Chomsky or Finkelstein. He doesn’t always think logically. He doesn’t work out details. But his heart, I believe, is in the right place. He often says crazy things most people disagree with.

    Like what? Like he doesn’t think Israel or Mossad had anything to do with 9/11. He isn’t defending Israel or Mossad when he says this. He says: THEY ARE TOO DUMB TO DO 9/11! They’d have screwed up if they’d tried. They’re too “incompetent”.

    * * * * *

    I ought to mention here that one of the reasons I support Shamir is that he has published many of my articles on his website. (I write under another name). So I have to ask myself: have I been sucked into a den of Mossad agents? Have I been duped and suckered? Heaven forbid!

    Mark Glenn has published a few of my articles too, and I trust him implicitly. As he trusts me, I believe. So it’s a matter of trust and gut instinct.

    I trust Shamir because I know from personal experience what a religious conversion can do. When Christ enters your heart, you become a new person. As a Muslim or secular, you may not understand this. Or maybe you do? When a man’s soul is touched by Allah, his entire character is changed. He becomes a New Man. “Behold, I make all things new!” it says in the Book of Revelations.

    Shamir’s whole tone, when he writes about Jesus or Mary Virgin, is one true devotion. You can see he is moved to tears. I don’t think you can fake that.

    * * * * *

    And so I conclude this overlong post by saying:

    Bat, accept my praise for your eloquence.

    Wendy: Be my friend. You and I could have many a stimulating conversation together. I admire your fine spirit and idealism.

    Ruth Bernstein: Are you a “troll”? Speak up, you evil bitch, and let us know what your intentions are!

    To all the rest: Have a nice day. War tomorrow!

    Xanadu.

  67. #67 by Ruth Bernstein on October 17, 2009 - 11:43 am

    I am not a troll. I am here to convert people to Zionism. This is my mission in life: to win the hearts of the anti-Semites and show them the error of their ways.

    The only person who says nice things to me on this website or gives me a grain of sympathy is Mahmoud El-Yousseph. And even he calls me a “bitch”.

    So here I am. Ruth Bernstein. Glad to be your punching bag.

    Who wants to beat the shit out of me? Ladybat? Go ahead, sweetheart, get your jackboots on and trample me into the ground. Much pleasure may it give you.

    The one person I blame for all the humiliation I’ve had to endure on this site is Mark Glenn. I do believe this guy is a bit weird. Why does he publish my stuff when I keep attacking him?

    I figure Mark has to be crackers. He belongs in a cracker factory. A loony bin. I’ve never known anyone to spout such crazy ideas.

    Oh well, we can’t all be sane. The world needs a bit of variety. I guess we’ve got to put up with the loonies.

  68. #68 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 6:14 pm

    Xanadu-

    I found your comments about Israel Shamir interesting, but there was nothing new there.

    I know Israel Shamir went through the motions of becoming a Christian, but I, for one, doubt him– and there are several reasons.

    One is that even on his website, there is a line that he wrote that says if he was going to be tried for being a traitor to Jews, he’d rather be tried in Israel, rather than the “once Christian” Europe. That can be interpreted in many ways. For one thing, it can be interpreted that Israel Shamir (IF that is his real name because he has several aliases, for example his Swedish passport with his name as Joram Jemas can be seen on an indymedia link — I actually copied the image of his passport so I can e-mail the jpeg directly to you if you wish) believes that there must be a Jewish state because everyone else is truly anti-Semitic deep down inside– typical Jewish paranoia. Of course, it could be that he is accusing Europe of abandoning Christianity and Christian values, and freedom (certainly it’s true with regards to freedom of speech about “The Holocaust” where they put people in jail for doubting certain aspects of the Jewish propaganda about it), but somehow that all seems so insincere to me.

    As with regards to his fighting in the Yom Kippur War of 1973, yes he admits it. But does he apologize for it? If so, I have not seen it anywhere.

    Just by the “fact” that he “converted” to Christianity doesn’t mean that he is sorry for fighting in the Yom Kippur War. It could have been he did it to be an agent provocateur and gain the trust of non-Jewish pro-Palestinian activists as well as the Palestinians himself. It could have been politically expedient for him to do so, just as it was for Bush to become a “born-again Christian” to gain more popularity, and for that reason ONLY.

    This is what bothers me about so many so-called progressive Jews, including Israel Shamir– they point out the TRUTH about the evil of Zionism, and maybe even the evil of some Jews, however, they don’t go further and set out the strategies and course of action that it will take to correct the injustices, to achieve justice.

    Which brings me back to Israel Shamir: if he thinks Judaism is so evil how can he stand to live in the Jewish state, aka the Zionist entity, aka Israel?

    Does he write anywhere that he is for the Right to Return all the way, all the Palestinian refugees must be allowed their Right to Return to their ancestral homeland of Palestine-Israel and that their properties, homes, orchards and businesses be returned to him? If he has, I have never seen it in his writings. Perhaps what we have with Israel Shamir like so many other progressive Jews, is alot of smoke and mirrors. He had a couple mottos on his website about the one-state-solution but doesn’t really explain what that is, exactly, or how to achieve it.

    Does he live in a home that formerly belongs to a Palestinian? He has never answered my question regarding this!

    He also says he thinks all “6 million” Jews should be able to stay in the new one-state solution! First of all that he uses that “6 million” figure seems to show that he is playing on the idea that all Jews should be able to stay in Palestine-Israel because of The Holocaust, when the fact is that that has just always served as an excuse to immorally steal Palestinian land and kill the Palestinians. Zionists started back in the late 1890s even well before “The Holocaust”.

    And if he thinks Jews are so evil, why on earth would he say that all the Jews should be able to stay in Palestine-Israel, when perhaps even the majority of them have homes in other countries and many passports? Such as Israel Shamir himself. He has a home and passport for Sweden.

    He should set an example, give up his home in Jaffa, Palestine, which probably belongs rightfully to a Palestinian. He should just be a good citizen of Sweden, and Sweden is extremely unlikely to ever accuse Shamir as a traitor or put him in jail or anything like that.

    For him to say that even those werewolves the Jewish settlers should be able to stay in Palestine-Israel is outrageous! They are criminals and should be either put in jail or deported and if they resist, then there will likely be a Waco-style event that they brought upon themselves for their criminal ways.

    Israel Shamir is well aware of all my questions, doubts and accusations about him but he has not responded, even though I have directly asked him via e-mails. No answer. What is Israel Shamir hiding?

    This conflict between Shamir and myself began when he condescendingly made the misrepresenting statement that I think that Palestine-Israel should be rid of all Jews, and that I “don’t understand” that the one-state-solution doesn’t mean “getting rid of all Jews”. I found all that very obnoxious on his part:

    First, because he never directly answered my question with regards to his serving in the IDF, but rather publicly e-mailed to his group the erroneous statements about how I “didn’t understand” etc and claiming I wanted to “rid” Israel of “all the Jews”.

    Second, I found his attitude was very presumptuous and condescending.

    Third, his statements mischaracterized my beliefs: he should have asked me first privately if that is what I believed with regards to Jews in Israel. IF he had, I would have told him what I believe with regards to the question of Jews in the new democratic state of Palestine-Israel, including with all the Palestinian refugees who will have returned as equals and gotten their properties back– that there would be certain laws to deal with that, and I spelled it all out in detail. Certainly some Jews would be able to remain in Palestine-Israel. Those Jews that belong to the Neturei Karta and their fellow Jews who have been in Palestine even before it was Israel, living peacefully with non-Jews and rejecting Zionism from the get-go— of course, these groups of Jews can stay. On the other extreme side, the Jewish settlers who hold two or three passports and have homes elsewhere, and who have rather recently gone to Israel to steal Palestinian land while killing Palestinians — they must be immediately deported or put in jail or they will go done in a Waco-style event! That is the way to deal with these flat out evil criminals! With SWAT teams, oh yeah! Israel Shamir thinks they should be able to stay! Wow! He certainly has a high tolerance for evil to the point that I now doubt about his sincerity for justice for the Palestinians!

    As for all the other Jews in between the two extremes, they need to be dealt with on a community to community basis, as to how they came by their homes, do they have other passports, are they personally guilty of heinous crimes against the Palestinian people and in a leadership position, are they cooperative with regards to the transformation of the Jewish state of Israel transforming to a truly democratic Palestine-Israel and the Right to Return of the Palestinian refugees, that it will no longer be a Jewish state, that Zionism will be completely delegitimized, dismantled, even outlawed? Depending on these factors which will be totally researched, some of them will be invited to leave. The rich Jewish philanthropisc groups can help these Jews make the transition to new lives in other countries or just to move back to where they came from.

    I think Israel Shamir may very well be an insincere sham– he has not responded to any of my questions, he belittles and mischaracterizes me and other truly devoted pro-Palestinian activists such as Lasse Wilhelmson, he takes advantage of the American tax payers by living in the Jewish state which is heavily subsidized by American tax payers, he has various identities (as if he were in the Mossad which he well could be), while he points out the lies of the Zionists regarding the Israelis’ persecution of non-Jews in Palestine-Israel but does absolutely nothing more than that, and he gets to be put on a pedestal for merely pointing out the truth about the Zionist state of Israel but doing nothing more than that, and he is full of contradictions which simply do not add up.

    While we are on this topic of progressive Jews, may I point out that Canandian Henry Makow, who has written many fine articles about Zionism and the evil of the Jewish banksters, he wrote to me in an e-mail that he does not support the democratic one-state solution of Palestine-Israel and the Palestinian refugees’ Right to Return, simply stating it’s because he thinks its “unrealistic”.

    Well, once again, may I point out that certainly the Zionists’ dream of constructing a Jewish state in Palestine surely at one time seemed “unrealistic”! And it still does as a matter of fact!

    I questioned Henry Makow directly about the one-democratic-state of Palesitne-Israel and the Palestinian Right to Return because I was being interviewed by Patriot Dames on a radio show along with Mr. Makow and when I started talking about the one-democratic-state solution and the Palestinian Right to Return, he kept interrupting me and then he ended up leaving the interview, so I couldn’t question him about this. He had the first hour and I had the second hour of the interview but he stayed on long enough into my interview to interrupt my opinions about the one-democratic-state solution and the Palestinian Right to Return. Then he excused himself, so we couldn’t debate these issues. So a week or so later, I decided to e-mail him directly with regards to his beliefs on these matters.

    That’s when he e-mailed me back that short sentence about how he thinks it’s “unrealistic.” I decided not to engage in a debate with him about this because I think that it is very clear from the way he interrupted me during the interview reveals that not only does he think that it’s “unrealistic”, but he is actually AGAINST the one-democratic-state solution and the Palestinian Right to Return.

    We who fully support the one-democratic-state solution and the unconditional, inalienable Palestinian refugees’ Right to Return have an upward climb and many obstacles to overcome, however let’s not let deceivers and gatekeepers deter us still further.

    This kind of debate among activists is actually very healthy, revealing, and absolutely necessary, when it’s done with all sincerity and a good heart. We must get to the Truth of the matter, and strategize and take action. Otherwise, it’s all smoke and mirrors and wishful thinking.

    I’m not worried about being seen as devisive or taking offense because my feelings were hurt by Shamir.

    I’m ONLY interested in the Truth and in achieving Justice, and Peace, and completely equal rights for all.

    PALESTINE WILL BE FREE!

  69. #69 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 6:18 pm

    Oops! I found a typo in my essay above, it should be THEM not HIM:

    Does he write anywhere that he is for the Right to Return all the way, all the Palestinian refugees must be allowed their Right to Return to their ancestral homeland of Palestine-Israel and that their properties, homes, orchards and businesses be returned to THEM? If he has, I have never seen it in his writings. Perhaps what we have with Israel Shamir like so many other progressive Jews, is alot of smoke and mirrors. He had a couple mottos on his website about the one-state-solution but doesn’t really explain what that is, exactly, or how to achieve it.

  70. #70 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 6:24 pm

    P.S. Some of my articles have been circulated in the past by Shamir. He even gave me his book “Masters of Discourse” to review and write a report. I intended to, but it’s a long book, and didn’t get around to it. Plus on top of that, I must admit I found some of his repartee to be just a tad too superficial and witty, not deep enough for me, lacking true conviction to right the wrongs. I lost my impetus to make the effort to finish reading the book or write a review.

    I much prefer the writings and activism of Gilad Atzmon, a self-exiled Jewish Israeli.

    Shamir should self-exile himself too!

  71. #71 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 6:32 pm

    As for the Mossad’s connection to 9-11 which basically has been proven with a myriad of evidence, Xanadu wrote above:

    “Like he doesn’t think Israel or Mossad had anything to do with 9/11. He isn’t defending Israel or Mossad when he says this. He says: THEY ARE TOO DUMB TO DO 9/11! They’d have screwed up if they’d tried. They’re too “incompetent”.”

    That statement seems totally insincere! Like the Mossad are too dumb? This may be a back-handed compliment, but the Mossad is not dumb! Perhaps Shamir hasn’t read the books by ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky like I have. The Mossad are evil but they are quite intelligent as they have gotten away with many false flag operations.

    And even if they do flub up now and then, they’ve got their brethren in the mainstream media (they basically flat out own it! Just ONE example is ex-Mossad agent/asset Robert Maxwell who owned many top newspapers in Britain and around the world! Read that book too if you want to know about the Mossad: “Robert Maxwell: Isarel’s Super Spy”– get it on amazon. Maxwell was later assassinated by the Mossad. Get the book for details.) to cover up their mistakes!

    Look at how the ADL got Fox News to “spike” from the website archives that 4 part series on “Israeli Spying in the US”.

    You know, I’m really beginning to seriously suspect Israel Shamir of being a Mossad agent.

    There he is, deflecting attention from the Mossad’s involvement with the 9-11 attacks– like a true Mossad operative himself!

    Come on, people, WAKE UP!

  72. #72 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 6:45 pm

    I forget not only do “they” (the Mossad) have the mainstream media in their pocket, they have many top American and other countries’ politicians in their pockets! Again, read the books by Ostrovsky and the one about Robert Maxwell!
    They can and DO get away with their false flag escapades!
    Such as the USS Liberty. Is 9-11 attacks really such a stretch! HA! Cui bono?

  73. #73 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 6:47 pm

    By the way, I bet Xanadu might even be Israel Shamir himself!

  74. #74 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 6:53 pm

    Here is a link that shows a photo of Israel Shamir’s passport with a different name:Joram Jemas–

    http://ehpg.wordpress.com/2008/09/

    I do not consider myself an “enemy” of Shamir, but a debater, seeking ONLY the TRUTH, which will lead to Justice and then Peace. No double standards!

  75. #75 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 7:12 pm

    OK, I want to add this comment in response to Xanadu (whom I now suspect maybe of being Shamir himself– he writes like him. Bat, please do not be taken in by all “Xanadu’s” flattery. He seems as slippery as a snake!)

    Xanadu said this” “We are all seeing through a glass, darkly. We are sleepwalkers in a mist. I repeat: we are all children of God, even the Evil Jew.

    We must pray for the conversion of the Jews. When Christ enters their hearts, their sores will be healed. There will be peace on earth, and Palestine will be restored to its rightful owners.

    Soon may it come.”

    To all that I have this to say:
    Yes, we are all God’s children, even the evil Jews, even the evil Christians, even the evil Muslims, even the evil Hindus and Buddhists, and agnostics and athiests! YES, it’s true, BUT, anyone who walks the path of evil and does evil things will be punished for their crimes against humanity! YES they will! There are laws and moral codes and if they are broken, there is punishment in the way of imprisonment, fines, and even in extreme cases, capital punishment. So those Jewish settlers, for example, must be punished. And they will be, God willing.

    For you to insist that everyone must convert to Christianity proves you are a totalitarian bigot! I truly think you must be Israel Shamir, who pretends to be a Christian, but supports and defends even the evil Jewish settlers!

    For Palestine to return to it’s rightful owners, it’s simply a matter of Truth, Justice and Equality — you DON’T have to be a Christian!!!!

    I consider myself a true Christian but I respect the right of all others to believe in whatever religion or none that they want to! As long as we all have equality, justice, truth and freedom… NO DOUBLE STANDARDS for anyone!

    Xanadu is a FAKE!

  76. #76 by The Prodigal Son on October 17, 2009 - 8:41 pm

    Xanadu,

    You said, “We are all children of God, even the evil Jew.”

    Sorry Xanadu, but this is just not true !

    This is a new age, universalist, ‘we’re all brothers and sisters’ point of view – and it is a false one…

    In the Bible, Christ says to the Pharisees of Judea :

    “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.”

    He also says, “He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
    – John 8;37-51

    That we are not all children of God is also clearly articulated in Christ’s parable of ‘The Wheat and the Tares’, which says :

    “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. (…)”

    Then His disciples asked Him to explain the parable to them… which He did :

    “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man (Christ). The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, (…)”
    – Matthew 13:24-43

    Whether we be sons of God – or sons of the devil, is a choice we make… through our own free will.

    The ‘Jews’ are anti-Christ… in order to be saved, they must turn from this; for Christ is the only way now !

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    Ladybat (& Mark Glenn),

    I too have had portions of one of my own posts vanish (after much labour)… I must admit, I assumed I had been censored, and I was quite taken aback.

    I thought, “How can a website such as ‘The Ugly Truth’ – whose ongoing existence is wholly dependant on the preservation of FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and the ABSENCE of censorship – then turn around and censor me ??”

    I thought it was a hint (from MG ?) to me, so I haven’t posted since… perhaps I was wrong.

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    Jalid (and Ahmed K. – RE: Fake ‘Christians’),

    Jesus is irrelevant ?

    I’m very sorry to hear you say that.

    I would ask you then : Why do you bring Him up so much ?

    Why should the ‘Jews’ convert to Christianity ? If they did – there would BE peace on earth…

    Sadly most of them won’t – but those who do will be saved from the fire prepared for the devil and his followers.

    Then you say, “Christians today (against Jesus’ wishes) are killing more people than even Jews are.”

    Those murderers are NOT Christians ! Isn’t that obvious ? Look, Jesus said:

    “You will know them by their fruits (actions). Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles ?
    Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit: a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
    Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

    Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, done many wonders in Your name ?’
    And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness !’ ”

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    And for Israel Shamir (in case he happens to read this),

    You say Mossad and Israel couldn’t have done 9/11 because they’re too dumb & they would have screwed it up ?

    They DID SCREW IT UP ! They are totally BUSTED !

    200 (yes, two hundred) Israeli spies were rounded up in the U.S. before and after 9/11… They were literally caught in the act !

    Then three of those spies proceeded to appear on Israeli television and ADMITTED IT, saying they were there “to document the event.”

    Mossad/Israel DID 9/11… and they DID screw it up !

    ROYALLY !

  77. #77 by Ladybat on October 17, 2009 - 9:39 pm

    Xanadu said

    “It has always been my understanding that Shamir’s views are pretty much identical to my own. My own views, as Mark Glenn wouldm be the first to confirm, are anti-Zionist in the extree. I support the Palestinian people absolutely and am outraged at the ill-treatment and injustice they have had to endure ever since the Catastrophe of 1948 — and even before that. So naturally I am for the Right of Return and the restoration of all stolen lands and property.”

    Thank you for making clear where you stand on ROR. Because for Palestinians any one who does not back this resolution and world body law that has been granted to the Palestinian people is no friend to the Palestinian people. This must be made clear to all who say they care about Palestine. Right of Return is sacred and not negotible. We will never ever wave that right no matter how long this conflict lasts. We have not gone through 70 years of struggle just to see that right taken from us in the end. If the world body court deems to resend that law that it has already given to us then the world body court must tell us why it has done so and why it is that we must give over our homes and properties to the European victims of Hitler. And why then can any other great and powerful country in world in the future then can also do the same thing to another people who have no power against them? If the world allows the victims of Hitler to go to another country and just take the native people’s homes by force in that country then what is to stop other powerful nations from doing the same thing again and again? RIGHT OF RETURN IS NOT ONLY FOR PALESTINE!!! IT IS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD BECAUSE THE WORLD HAS DEEMED THAT WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH WILL NOT ACT AS BARBARIANS ANY MORE! THAT WE NOW HAVE WORLD LAWS TO PROTECT US ALL FROM THIS TYPE OF THING HAPPENING TO ANY OF US IN THE FUTURE! What is left for us now then? WE MUST INFORCE OUR OWN LAWS OR THESE LAWS ARE TOTALLY USELESS TO US ALL! “israel homeland for the Jew and the Jew only” was created AFTER THESE WORLD BODY COURT LAWS WERE PUT INTO PLACE! THERE FORE “israel” is beholden to these laws!

    The UN resolution and law that is Right of Return says very clearly that we HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE COMPENSATION OR CHOOSE TO COME BACK TO OUR PRIVATE PROPERTIES AND HOMES! This means we do not HAVE TO TAKE COMPENSATION IF WE DO NOT WISH TO TAKE IT IN PLACE OF OUR HOMES! And “israel homeland for Jew and the Jew only” will not hold a gun to our heads and force us to sell them our homes and private properties either by forcing us to take compensation. If we choose to come home…. WE WILL COME HOME! No negotiation on that.

    Thank you for making it clear that you stand behind the people of Palestine on this issue.

    Xanadu said…

    “As far as I can see, Shamir is for the Right of Return. Every Palestinian who wants to go back to Palestine can do so. As to the restoration of SPECIFIC properties, he is vague as to details but makes it clear that financial compensation and generous reparations must be paid to the Palestinians for what they lost. They are not going to come out losers.”

    Then Mr. Shamir has nothing to worry about and does not need to make clear about the SPECIFIC properties because the majority of the Palestinian people who hold the only true titles and deeds to their properties WILL CHOOSE to come back and not take compensation.

    This is what I believe about Palestinian people. However there is a chance I could be wrong but we do not know because the Palestinian people, refugees and displaced, have not been made any such offers.

    How much will they be offered?

    Let me ask you all this question here and now….

    What would you take as payment for the lives of your murdered mother, father, brother, sister, and children? What would you take as compensation for having to spend 4 generations in side a poverty stricken refugee camp where you went from having every thing to having nothing but the clothes on your back and forced to be a beggar for other peoples charity????

    TELL ME PEOPLE!!!! WHAT WOULD YOU ACCEPT AS PAYMENT FOR THAT????

    There is not enough money in this whole damn world that you can ever offer the people of Palestine that can ever make up for what YOU THE WHOLE WORLD has done to them!!!

    Not all the gold in the world.

    That is the God’s truth. I am here to convey to all the heart and mind of the people of Palestine. I speak for them. I know them as I know myself. Even though I have not lived personally their suffering I have felt their suffering as if I lived it myself every single day that I have known them!

    And I can tell you that they will not ever give up their right of return. Not the majority of them. They will not because there is nothing you have of value to offer them that is equal in value to what you took from them.

    Nothing at all.

    So they want their homes back. Or there will not ever be peace for “israel homeland for the jew and the jew only”.

    Bet on it.

    There will be no peace for “israel” stolen homeland for the European victims of Hitler.

    Not even if it takes a thousand years!

  78. #78 by Ladybat on October 17, 2009 - 10:54 pm

    And now I get to the amusing and entertaining post by “Ms. Bernstein”. wink wink nudge nudge…

    Ms Bernstein said..

    “I am not a troll. I am here to convert people to Zionism. This is my mission in life: to win the hearts of the anti-Semites and show them the error of their ways.”

    LOL!! You really need to polish your act up more. You sound like a bad play. Does your mom know you are on the computer talking to grown ups about grown up things?

    Look, my suggestion to you is if you really want to go on playing these games with people you need to go and watch debates being held by REAL ZIONIST JEWS on many other message board forums and you will see they sound nothing like you. You are not going to be able to fool someone like me until you know your act a bit better.

    For one thing sweetie, most Jews, though they have done a bad bad wrong and mistake in Palestine, loath any one talking about forcing conversion of any kind on any one. Even zionist Jews loath that sort of thing. They would never talk like you.

    Stop trying to distract every one from the real issue and that issue is Palestine.

    Ruth said…

    “The only person who says nice things to me on this website or gives me a grain of sympathy is Mahmoud El-Yousseph. And even he calls me a “bitch”.”

    Well sweetie, Zionist Jews are not very liked by Arab people. Do you have any clue as to why? And after all, you are the one claiming to be a zionist Jew are you not?

    Do not look to Arabs to be your friend then. Not now at least. Zionist Jews have just done to many bad things in the land of the Arabs for to long a time for there ever to be friendship between zionist Jews and Arabs.

    Let us concentrate on somehow finding a way to keep the zionist Jew and the Arabs from killing each other first before we move on to actual “friendship” okay?

    And the way to do that is to focus on PALESTINE. Because that is what the real issue is about.

    Ruth said..

    “So here I am. Ruth Bernstein. Glad to be your punching bag.”

    And now you are pandering to the stereo typing of Jews and their whining. That is what you think we expect from Jews so you are trying to play that part.

    Jews very seldom do the type of “whining” you are doing now. Not on message board forums where people can answer them back. They do complain and out of desperation try over and over to bring up the holocaust and what happened to their long dead grandparents in order to try and change the subject of Palestine but they do not whine the way you are whining. Either you are a very bad actor or you are a very easy to defeat zionist Jew.

    Man, I wish you were real and all zionist Jews talked like you. But then I guess it would get boring after a while because you would be no challenge what so ever. Just way to easy.

    Ruth said….

    “Who wants to beat the shit out of me? Ladybat? Go ahead, sweetheart, get your jackboots on and trample me into the ground. Much pleasure may it give you.”

    Oh now “Ruth Bernstein wink wink nudge nudge” you are not going to rile me so much that I say something that might incriminate me.

    I’m sorry but I just do not believe you are who you claim to be. You just do not sound real to me. No zionist Jew I’ve ever gone one on one with in a message board forum talks like you. It would be just way to easy if they did. Of course every one hates you in here. They think you are real. You have played a part of a made up bad girl villain in here and you managed to get a rise out of some of the posters here. For what ever your purpose in doing so I have no idea but it is what your game is, I’m sure of it.

    You are either doing this because you find it fun and entertaining. Or you are doing this because you are a lonely person and in bad need of attention, even BAD attention, or you want to see as many people as possible ticked off at Jews. You want the stereo type of the Jew we have all heard about enforced. Or you are a Jew who is pretending to be militant hoping to get someone so angry that they will do something like threaten you somehow breaking some law. Or you could even be having so much fun with this and wondering just how long it will take us all to figure out you are just yanking all our chains.

    Well, I’m not falling for it. I have a real big issue and beef with Jews you damn straight I do. But its not about their religion nor about their race! IT IS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CRIMES THEY HAVE COMMITTED AGAINST ME AND MINE AND NOTHING ELSE!

    Its about PALESTINE “Ruth”. Always has been and always will be. So if you want to dance with me, any one out there wants to dance with me, better stay on topic. Because the steps and the beat is called PALESTINE! I don’t dance to any other tune or any other beat. Try to dance a different one and the debate between you and me ends. I WILL NOT BE DISTRACTED. And my other beef with the Jews is about what they have specifically done to my country America! Jews are a small minority but own our government leaders who are now working for only this small minority in our country the Jews! And of course I will not ever ever forget what zionist Jews did to our own naval service men when they tried to murder them when they tried to sink our own boat the USS Liberty! OH yes I have specific reasons to be angry with zionist Jews and I say exactly what those reasons are.

    Ruth said..

    “The one person I blame for all the humiliation I’ve had to endure on this site is Mark Glenn. I do believe this guy is a bit weird. Why does he publish my stuff when I keep attacking him?”

    Well, because you are entertaining for some “Ruth”. Just not for me. Well, thats not totally true, I am having a bit of fun with you and your little game but I grow bored with games really fast so don’t count on it lasting.

    If I had a message board I would want my posters to be entertained too. Otherwise it just gets tedious after a while. Got to have a villain in every act “Ruth”. Else there is no one to get mad at. So perhaps you are better at what you do than I have given you credit for.

    (lady Bat sighs and examines her fingernails here) Its just that it takes better acting to hold me captivated for any length of time.

    Ruth said…

    “I figure Mark has to be crackers. He belongs in a cracker factory. A loony bin. I’ve never known anyone to spout such crazy ideas.”

    Really? I find him to be very articulate and wise. Sorry you don’t.

    OH well once upon a time they told one of your own.. what was his name again… Mr. Einstein! Yes, that very smart Jew. Some folks thought he was a bit touched in the head too but that did not stop him at all. He knew he had the ear of to many other people so the few who did not understand him made no difference.

    There are just some people in this world who are so very smart that the rest of us have a hard time keeping up with them “Ruth”.

    Perhaps that is the problem with you and Mark.

    And also between you and me as well. Oooops! Now that was not very humble of me at all was it? (sigh) I swear I try to do humble but really I would rather eat dirt than to do humble.

    Ruth said…

    “Oh well, we can’t all be sane. The world needs a bit of variety. I guess we’ve got to put up with the loonies.”

    And the very bad actors on message board forums pretending to be people they are not.

    For some it works. But for those of us who are cursed with a very short attention span it just gets so very boring after a while.

    So long dear “Ruth Bernstein” Wink Wink Nudge Nudge…

    Its been fun. But Palestine is suffering so its back to work for me.

    NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!
    TO RESIST IS TO EXIST!
    EVEN IF IT TAKES A THOUSAND YEARS!

    Bat out.

  79. #79 by Wendy Campbell on October 17, 2009 - 11:01 pm

    I think the Palestinian people who do return should not only get all their properties back but ALSO reparations FOR SURE.

    Israel Shamir, for instance, will have to give up that stolen Palestinian home that he lives in Jaffa.

  80. #80 by Xanadu on October 17, 2009 - 11:12 pm

    Wendy Campbell October 17, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    By the way, I bet Xanadu might even be Israel Shamir himself!

    Gosh, talk about a dagger thrust! This woman is dangerous! I’m gonna get Mossad on to her! :)

    Wendy, I didn’t have time to read your longer posts as it’s midnight in England (where I am now) and I have to get to bed. But I’ll save the pleasure until tomorrow. Nice talking to you.

  81. #81 by Ladybat on October 17, 2009 - 11:18 pm

    The Prodigal Son said…

    ” Ladybat (& Mark Glenn),

    I too have had portions of one of my own posts vanish (after much labour)… I must admit, I assumed I had been censored, and I was quite taken aback.

    I thought, “How can a website such as ‘The Ugly Truth’ – whose ongoing existence is wholly dependant on the preservation of FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and the ABSENCE of censorship – then turn around and censor me ??”

    I thought it was a hint (from MG ?) to me, so I haven’t posted since… perhaps I was wrong.”

    Prodigal, it was a mistake I made myself when I typed that particular post. I almost made the same one again. Just a font mistake. It happens to posts like mine sometimes because I tend to be so “long winded”. Posts being so long. I copy and paste back quotes from other posters and then accidently put them in the wrong place in my post and then loose them. I thought I had proof read that one first but perhaps not. It takes a bit of getting used to all these message boards have different tools and ways of using them.

    It takes to long to explain exactly how I made the mistake but just know that I did make it. I was not censored after all.

  82. #82 by Montecristo on October 17, 2009 - 11:24 pm

    Ladybat October 17, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    W O W !!!
    :) :) :)

    I’m glad I’m not Ruth Bernstein!

  83. #83 by Wendy Campbell on October 18, 2009 - 12:06 am

    Here’s another article I found on the web with regards to Israel Shamir, the SHAM and the SHILL for Israel, especially with regards to diverting attention away from Israel’s orchestration of the 9-11 attacks:

    http://800poundgorilla.100webspace.net/geeklog//article.php?story=20080817105001441

    I’m glad others can actually see the truth about “Israel Shamir” aka “Joram Jemas” (you can see for yourself his Swedish passport on the internet) at http://ehpg.wordpress.com/2008/09/.

    It’s nice to know I don’t have to point out the Truth to everyone! Some others have figured it out all on their own!

    Israel Shamir is a wolf in sheep’s clothing!

    BEWARE of the deceivers!!!

  84. #84 by Xanadu on October 18, 2009 - 11:15 am

    Ladybat,

    Well done! Your eloquent posts on behalf of the Palestinians have won my heart. You and I see eye to eye on most things.

    Please don’t think my true compliments to you are flattery, as has been suggested here by another eloquent and outstanding poster. What would I have to gain by flattery? Nothing.

    I despise flattery, but regard it as only right to offer praise when praise is due.

  85. #85 by Xanadu on October 18, 2009 - 12:30 pm

    For Wendy Campbell [1]

    Dear Wendy,

    If you would try to understand that I am one of your most ardent admirers, you would be less disposed to attack me for a mere difference of opinion. Having set out to rebut my arguments rationally and politely, you gradually worked yourself into such a fit of passion that by the end of your eloquent posts I was suddenly transformed into the evil Shamir himself!

    “Xanadu is a fake!” you raged at the very end. “Xanadu is Shamir himself!”

    Sweetheart, this makes me smile.

    I cannot be angry with you. It’s because I admire your passion and idealism so much. I feel like a little rag doll caught in the teeth of a tigress. Ouch! I’m still hurting.

    I do not reject out of hand anything you say. You speak with the knowledge of experience. I respect that. But please understand this: there is an old Latin phrase — Quot homines, tot opiniones. Literally: “So many men, as many opinions.”

    You are entitled to your opinions, Wendy. I am entitled to mine.

    Maybe you are right in everything you say, and if you spoke to me nicely you would have a chance of converting me to your viewpoint. I am amenable to reason.

    Rage is fine. I admire the passionate tigress in you. But rage on its own never convinced anyone.

    More tact and gentleness is required.

  86. #86 by Xanadu on October 18, 2009 - 12:32 pm

    For Wendy Campbell [2]

    Consider Mark Glenn.

    He has been attacked as fiercely by others as you have attacked Shamir. How does Mark deal with the savage attacks made on him and his daughter Stephania? He knows these attacks are unjustified. He cannot stop people lying about him or misrepresentng his position.

    The same applies to Shamir.

    Shamir cannot defend himself against your attacks, made here without his knowledge.

    I am not saying you are spreading lies about Shamir or deliberately misrepresenting his position. You believe what you say. Your total conviction gives you your passion.

    But I am an individual, Wendy, with a mind of my own. I am free to form my own opinions. There is nothing you have told me about Shamir — his Swedish passport, his aliases, his service in the IDF — that I was not already aware of. All these facts are in the public domain. Many of them can be found on Shamir’s website. You have told us nothing new. Nothing.

    The source of Shamir’s trouble was the Palestinian editor of Electronic Intifada with whom Shamir fell out. (I forget his name…Ali Abunimah I think). This man and his minions on Electronic Intifada got their daggers out and did their best to concoct all sorts of evil stories about Shamir.

    One of these was that Shamir was an antisemitc Swede and didn’t have a drop of Jewish blood in his veins. Another story was that he was a Russian from Siberia. His entire CV was fictitious. They guy was a total fraud from start to finish.

    Cursory examination of these claims soon showed that they were baseless lies. Not one word of truth in any of them.

  87. #87 by Xanadu on October 18, 2009 - 12:33 pm

    For Wendy Campbell (3)

    Finally: what do I feel about your personal attack on me for the unforgivable sin of defending Israel Shamir?

    What do I feel about your baseless claim that Shamir is a Mossad agent?

    What do I feel about your bizarre accusation that I am myself Shamir?

    The answer is: amusement.

    I am vastly amused. My tolerance for you far exceeds your tolerance for me.

    Bye for now, Wendy.

    Be a good girl and put all you’ve said here into an article. It’s very good stuff. In fact, it’s brilliant.

    Your loyal fan and devoted admirer,

    Xanadu.

  88. #88 by Ruth Bernstein on October 18, 2009 - 4:44 pm

    Appeal to Mark Glenn</b

    Mark,

    It's about time you did something about these trolls and troublemakers who are screwing up your website.

    This Ladybat, who has just descended on your website like a hurrucane from hell, is an obvious troll.

    Her interminable posts in which she analyses every single sentence I write, munches it into mush, and then regurgitates it all in long spindles of froth and waffle is enough to give anyone the heebiejeebies!

    Batgirl is scary and should be put away in a padded cell. Right now. Pronto.

    Batty and Out!!! :)

  89. #89 by Ruth Bernstein on October 18, 2009 - 5:06 pm

    I am pissed off with Xanadu too. I agree with Wendy Campbell that this woman is a nutcase. Anyone who defends Israel Shamir, in my opinion, is evil.

    Israel Shamir is an extreme anti-Zionist.

    After converting to Christianity, he renounced his Jewish heritage. He rejected his Jewish roots. He is now a self-confessed anti-Semite.

    He is on record as saying that “Jewishness is a taint in the soul that needs eradicating.”

    Anyone who says a thing like that is obviously a Jew-hater.

    This is why I hate Shamir: because he is an extreme anti-Semite. More anti-Semitic than Hitler.

    Secretly and slyly, this self-hating betrayer of the Jews is trying to undermine the foundations of the Jewish state.

    In attacking him, Wendy Campbell is doing me and all my fellow Zionists a tremendous service.

    She is attacking one of our deadliest enemies.

    Without knowing it, Wendy is performing the functions of a “Useful Idiot”.

    Thank you, Wendy.

    If I can be of any service to you, please let me know.

  90. #90 by Ladybat on October 18, 2009 - 6:50 pm

    Ruth Bernstein said

    >>It’s about time you did something about these trolls and troublemakers who are screwing up your website.

    This Ladybat, who has just descended on your website like a hurrucane from hell, is an obvious troll. <>Her interminable posts in which she analyses every single sentence I write, munches it into mush, and then regurgitates it all in long spindles of froth and waffle is enough to give anyone the heebiejeebies!<>Batgirl is scary and should be put away in a padded cell. Right now. Pronto.<>Batty and Out!!<<

    TO LATE! SOMEBODY LEFT THE WINDOW OPEN AND SHE FLEW IN!

    I don't feel like leaving yet Ruthie. But just be patient. My attention span is short. I get bored easily. I'm just not bored yet.

    I'm having to much fun talking to you Ruthie dear.

  91. #91 by Wendy Campbell on October 18, 2009 - 6:51 pm

    Talk about being amused. I have to admit both Xanadu AND Ruth Bernstein made me laugh out loud!

    They probably both work on behalf of Mossad. Very clever indeed.

    No kidding! They pay Jews money to enter into these kinds of discussions. I bet they even get alot of Jews to do it for free on behalf of the Jewish state.

    Anyway, as for Xanadu: You write like the flowery Israel Shamir, with all your wittiness and flattery and imagery. So, who knows? You very well could be Mr. Shamir/ Mr. Jemas himself. I have no way of knowing for sure, since unlike the Mossad, I don’t have all that fancy equipment to snoop and see who’s doing what on the internet.

    I have e-mailed and cc:d ALL of my questions to Israel Shamir and he has not answered ONE of my questions! NOT ONE. What is Israel Shamir hiding? When is the eloquent Israel Shamir going to address my questions and doubts one by one and clearly? Probably never. Either because he can’t or because he thinks he doesn’t need to. He probably thinks he’s got his diehard fans fooled enough.

    He never answered my initial questions about if he had served in the IDF, but instead chose to smear me as wanting to get rid of ALL the Jews in the one-democratic-state of Palestine-Israel, and treated me in a very condescending manner, saying that I “just didn’t understand” blah blah. WELL!

    So then I decided to do a little research on Israel Shamir, even on his own website, and around the internet and even re-reading some of his works, now that I see him in a totally different light. Putting him under a microscope like that was very interesting, and I found out many things about him I didn’t know, and there are still questions which he refuses to answer. Even on his website, in trying to do damage control about his Swedish passport with Joram Jemas and his photos on it, he really does not sufficiently explain it. Nor does he make any apologies for fighting in the Yom Kippur War, an unworthy cause. Nor does he explain if the house he lives in Jaffa is indeed one that was formerly owned by a Palestinian family, and so on.

    He is very chameleon-like and you really can never tell who he really is or what he really thinks and what he really stands for (too many contradicitions, smoke and mirrors) and someone like that is really not useful to our cause, in my opinion. At the very least, you have to take everything someone like that says with a grain of salt.

    If he is so against Judaism and Zionism, as he sometimes claims, how can he be so at home in the Jewish state aka the Zionist entity aka Israel? If he is so pro-Palestinian rights, how can he live in a home that rightfully belongs to Palestinian refugees?? He should give it up, make that statement, like our true comrade did– Gilad Atzmon, a righteous self-exiled Jewish Israeli who has made his new home London, England, where he thrives as an excellent jazz musician and writer. He doesn’t need the racist, apartheid Jewish state to live in and neither do the vast majority of Jews! I’m calling on Jews everywhere to ABANDON the idea of the Jewish state and make an exodus from it, if they are there as citizens. It’s perfectly fine to visit the Holy Land as a tourist, if you don’t have a criminal history, but that’s IT, in general. There are exceptions, such as the Neturei Karta, etc.

    I think that these elements of Mossad such as Israel Shamir (Xanadu?) and Ruth Bernstein love to endlessly play mindgames with pro-Palestinian activists, by playing both sides and trying to create doubt and confusion amongst true pro-Palestinian human rights activists.

    Let us be amused, but let us not be fooled.

    If there are inconsistences, as there are with Israel Shamir, they must be confronted.

    I have also recently learned that Israel Shamir does not believe that there was any direct Israeli connection to making the 9-11 attacks happen. This is another red flag, in my opinion, that he is a shill for Israel. Here is that link:

    http://800poundgorilla.100webspace.net/geeklog//article.php?story=20080817105001441

  92. #92 by Ladybat on October 18, 2009 - 7:13 pm

    Okay Ruth my last post to you got messed up again. I made the same mistake as before in my font and it caused part of my post to be left out so let me re do it here again. Please just disregard my last post to you..

    Ruth said..

    “Appeal to Mark Glenn

    Mark,

    It’s about time you did something about these trolls and troublemakers who are screwing up your website.

    This Ladybat, who has just descended on your website like a hurrucane from hell, is an obvious troll.”

    I’ve been referred to as many things but never a “hurrucane”. I rather like it. Not as much as “militant Palestinian” but hurricane is rather cool. I think I’ll keep it.

    Ruth said..

    “Her interminable posts in which she analyses every single sentence I write, munches it into mush, and then regurgitates it all in long spindles of froth and waffle is enough to give anyone the heebiejeebies!”

    Yes I do tend to prattle on to much don’t I? Weakness of mine. And besides Ruthie dear, you should be proud that I back quote every single thing you say. It shows that I am bothering to read every single thing you say. Just like you are bothering to read every single thing I say or you would not be complaining about it. But I come out ahead because your posts are so short and mine are so long.

    You are having to do way more reading than I am having to. (grin) But you are still doing that reading even though it is to long aren’t you dear Ruthie?

    “Heebiejeebies”! LOL!! You are a hoot Ruthie. I think I am going to go out on a limb here and take another guess at who you really are.

    I think you are not even a woman. I think you are a guy. One who loves playing practical jokes on people. Loves to yank peoples chains just to see how long it takes them to figure out you are doing just that. Yanking their chains.

    You found this nice out of the way gathering of people in web site and you thought…

    Hmmmm I GOT IT! CRAZY JEWISH LADY! I’LL BE THE CRAZY JEWISH LADY! he he he he.. let me see now..I’ve got to give her a name. I GOT IT! Ruth Bernstein. YOU CAN’T GET ANY MORE JEWISH THAN THAT! And you’ve been play acting in here ever since haven’t you “Ruthie” dear?

    Ruthie said

    “Batgirl is scary and should be put away in a padded cell. Right now. Pronto.”

    Can I still have my computer? I don’t mind padded cells as long as I can still have my computer.

    Padded means less noise. I love less noise.

    Ruthie said..

    “Batty and Out!!!”

    To late! Someone left the window open and she flew right in.

    I don’t want to leave just yet Ruthie but just be patient because as I said, I have a very short attention span. I get bored easily. When I’m bored I’m no longer here.

    I’m just not bored yet.

    I’m having to much fun talking to you dear “Ruthie Bernstein” wink wink nudge nudge.

  93. #93 by Ladybat on October 18, 2009 - 9:19 pm

    Xanadu

    It seems that Wendy is very sure that you and this Mr. Israel person are one and the same. As for me I’m not sure if you are he or not. BUT…

    I must say that Wendy has done a very good job in providing factual information sources as to why we should not trust this Mr. Israel. Especially since he has not answered her specific questions.

    For any one who has a Zionist Jewish past of any sort to now after all these years, to stand up and declare they are no longer a zionist and are now for the rights of the Palestinian people, well… you must forgive us but it is very hard for us to trust someone like that at face value. A person who takes this kind of stand must also be willing to answer specific questions. It is only natural that Palestinian people themselves and their supporters and comrades would be suspicious.

    Wendy has never been one to turn down a kindred spirit, no matter his back ground, who is really sincere about getting on board with getting Palestine freed.

    But if she finds the least bit of insincerity in that person she will totally call them out on it right then and there.

    Its the way she is. She does not applogize for it and neither do the rest of us who are on the same team.

    Lets just say at this point, that I personally am not convinced that you and this Mr. Israel are the same person as Wendy believes is the case..

    Would you not at least agree that Wendy makes some valid arguments about why this Mr. Israel should not be totally trusted yet at this point?

    Wendy uses an excellent example of a former zionist Jew who did really take a real stand against “israel” and made it more than clear to the world that he is no longer a zionist and is not on the side of “israel” one bit and does not support it in any way.

    That former zionist Jew is Gilad Atzmon.

    Now that is one Jew who was serious about peace. There are many other Jews like him too. They just do not get talked about enough in the main stream news medias.

  94. #94 by Ruth Bernstein on October 18, 2009 - 10:56 pm

    <bTo Batgirl

    I’ll never get bored with you, Batgirl. Though the chances are you’ll soon get bored with me. The reason for this is that really smart people never get bored. :)

  95. #95 by Ladybat on October 19, 2009 - 3:22 am

    Chutzba Ruth said…

    “I’ll never get bored with you, Batgirl. Though the chances are you’ll soon get bored with me. The reason for this is that really smart people never get bored.”

    Tooooche’ Ruthie dear. Spoken like a true smart ass. (grin)

    I’ll manage to keep myself entertained somehow. If not, well, I’ll just resort to one of my other favorite pass times.

    Pulling wings off flies.

    Besides, where you are concerned, I have my standards to live up to. I can’t leave right now.

    Because I always have to play with my food a while before I eat it.

  96. #96 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 19, 2009 - 4:09 am

    I received a message from and organization named Together4peace.org. They are a grass roots group of people of various races and religions who are dedicated to peace in the Holy Land. On Friday, they will hold a rally in front of the United Nations in New York City, demanding an end to the illegal occupation and also to present a petition to various Ambassadors and members of the UN Security council.

    I am intrested in what Ladybat, Wendy, Xanadu, and even Ruthie take on this. Infact this is open for discussion. I don’t want to alienate anyone else. Your views does count! This effect me personally. I am a Palestinian who was born in one of the refugee camps in Lebanon several year after the “Nakba” I have only saw pictures of the remains of parents village for the first time in my about 6 years ago. It was only the cemetary is what left. The 6 or 7 images I saw has awakend an inner feeling inside me that I can’t describe in word!

    Yes, my older brother still has the key to my parents home in Palestine as well as the deeds to the property and the farm. He was only one year old when the Jewish terror groups Hagana and Irugon wiped of the village from the face of the earth and forced everyone to leave at gun point. 62 years later, my brother at the camp is still awaiting, hoping and dreaming of returning back home. Sofar, Israel has refused to comply with all U.N. Resolution that call for the Palestinian refugees right of return. Instead Israel does allow any Joe Blow Jew and somehow find a place for them to live on stolen Palestinian land , with no question asked.

    The petition is as follows:

    This Petition calls for:

    The idea of a two States solution will not work. After hundreds of meetings, negotiations, agreements, and peace conferences … one only needs to look at this map to see the reality … Israel is only interested in expanding its territory. This petition provides a solution with integrity and some elements of justice for long-lasting peace.

    Basic Rights: Equal rights to all people in the Holy Land: Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Freedom, end to Apartheid, to break down the walls. One County-One person-One vote.

    Refugees: The rights of all Palestinian refugees including refugees in Gaza, Lebanon, and all Palestinians in Israeli prisons, to return to their homes, using South Africa as a model for peace and reconciliation.

    Compensation: If returning Palestinians are unable to reclaim back their properties, the current residents must pay compensation equal to 3 times the value of the property as a way of settling all claims and damages. The State may offer programs to help fund compensations. All Settlements placed on Arab lands since 1967 must be returned to their rightful owners. This includes settlements in the Arab side of Jerusalem, and in the West Bank. Compensation and reparation for damages or murder of all civilians on both sides, at the rate of $5,000,000 per each murdered victim paid by the State since 1967. $250,000 to $1,000,000 for each serious injury during the recent events of Gaza Massacres, and dating back to killing and injuries since 1948.

    War Crimes: All Government officials indicted for war crimes, involved with the use of illegal weapons in civilian’s territories, such as cluster bombs, or White Phosphorous, causing massive death and injuries to civilians must be prosecuted in accordance with international law.

    Immigration: All residents who recently moved to the Holy land region during the past 10 years, who were not originally born in the region, nor have at least one parent who was born in the region, will have to re-apply for immigration, pay immigration fees, and be re-processed for citizenship after the processing of all returning refugees who were either born in the region, or have at least one parent born in the region.

  97. #97 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 19, 2009 - 4:23 am

    Have anyone on this website wondered why did Northern Ireland get peace, not Palestine?

    Give up!

    The answer is: The British officials finally agreed after 30 years and 3,000 death to sit face to face with the Irish Republican Army [IRA] delegation , where as Israel continue to refuse holding a direct negotiation with Hamas- the duly elected representative of the Palestinian people. We all know the commen idiomatic expression, “it takes two to tango.”

  98. #98 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 19, 2009 - 4:56 am

    I never cared for bats before eventhough, they pollinate plants and get rid of harmful insects such as gnats and mosquitoes. Not until Ladybat descended into this website all of the sudden. She does exactly to this site what bats do to our environment. One of her first task was engage us in a meaningful and fruitful debate. Then was fellowed by the fun part of taking Ruth Bernstein to task,exposing her, chewing her up and then spiting her out.

    I don’t think poor Ruth can now claim that Ladybat is a women hater. Becuase Bat is a lady!

    Would Ruth now surrenders and raises the white flag? Would she reveals if she is really a troll? Can she be honest engouh to admit that she is getting paid to infiltrate this website inorder to spy, paint a rosey picture of Israel and to subotate and stifle the debate?

    I am holding my breath!

  99. #99 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 19, 2009 - 5:22 am

    Warning to ladybat: I know you don’t need my help in taking care of Ruth Bernstein. But I would like to advice you to stay away from cemetery, because Ruth is like a vampire, and that is his favorite tree.

    Another tip, Ruth is a WITCH. If you want to make her ITCH, just take away the “W” ITCH.

    BTW, thanks for the relief Ladybat!

  100. #100 by robertvnik on October 19, 2009 - 9:13 am

    Wendy Campbell
    hey I always thought Israel shamir was one of the good guys, and Henry Makow too. Dont mean I always agree with everything they say. Now you got me all dissallusioned. A bit like when i started finding out lotsa interesting things about Old Billy Graham– kinda freaked me out to start because he was supposed to be the best of the best. Crikey mate; they even say he’s a 33rd degree mason. From now on I only trust me and you
    ………..and even you I’m watchin!

  101. #101 by Sardonicus on October 19, 2009 - 9:49 am

    Little does Ladybat know that she’s no match for Ruth Bernstein, our resident Jewish supremacist. No one has ever tangled with this evil bitch and not been torn to pieces.

  102. #102 by Sardonicus on October 19, 2009 - 10:42 pm

    robertvnik October 19, 2009 at 9:13 am

    Wendy Campbell
    hey I always thought Israel shamir was one of the good guys, and Henry Makow too. Dont mean I always agree with everything they say. Now you got me all dissallusioned.

    You are easily swayed, it seems, if one word from Wendy Campbell is enough to make you change your mind!

    I regard Xanadu’s arguments in support of Israel Shamir far stronger. They are based on actually reading Shamir’s books and articles.

    By Wendy Campbell’s own admission, she did not even have the intellectual stamina to read through Shamir’s book Masters of Discourse which she had planned to review. The reason she gives: “It was too long to read.”

    Actually, it is long. It’s 650 pages. And I have read it. And there’s not a thing in it I do not agree with.

    Wendy Campbell’s dismissal of Shamir is based on personal animosity. Shamir refuses to answer her questions. I don’t blame him. When a woman asks questions in an aggressive and hectoring tone, determined to find fault with the answers in advance, no writer of any intelligence is going to keep responding to her.

    Wendy Campbell lacks credibility. Pay no attention to her. She has been slighted by Shamir and feels humiliated. Nothing so bitter and twisted as a woman scorned.

    You do Shamir an injustice to turn against him on the mere say-so of a woman with a personal vendetta against a man whose books she cannot even bother to read.

    My advice to you: take the trouble of actually reading Shamir himself. Use your own intelligence and judgement. Do not be influenced by an embittered woman with a personal grudge.

  103. #103 by robertvnik on October 20, 2009 - 12:22 am

    Sardonicus
    you took me too seriously. It was more a joke than anything.
    Of course I am not so easily swayed but recognise the potential for evil in anyone as with the potential for good. Israel Shamir writes good articles as does Henry Makow.

  104. #104 by Wendy Campbell on October 20, 2009 - 2:38 am

    Oh, PULLeeeez, Sardonicus! Don’t turn this into some sort of romantic drama! That is simply absurd and quite sexist, if you ask me.

    Obviously you haven’t read all my posts with regards to Israel Shamir aka Joram Jemas or “whatever” because you wouldn’t have written much of what you wrote… or maybe you would have since you seem to just want to support Israel Shamir right or wrong, even if he does have glaring contradictions and many mysteries around him.

    I have ready plenty of Shamir’s writings, ever since 2001, so I don’t have to have finished reading his long tome “Masters of Discourse” to be familiar with his writings, etc.

    Robertvnik– it’s true, you really have to take everyone with a grain of salt– especially chameleon-like people who have numerous names, numerous passports, numerous creeds, numberous religions, numberous homes— like Israel Shamir aka Joram Jemas. You really have to think for yourself.

    Shamir professes to disdain Judaism, and have converted to Christianity, yet he happily lives in Israel aka the Zionist entity (when he also has a home in Sweden) and in Israel-Palestine, he apparently lives in a house that was stolen from a Palestinian family, and lives there at the largesse of the American tax payers. He even thinks that all the Jewish settlers who have just recently stolen Paleestinian land while killing and maiming Palestinians should be able to stay in Israel!! He should self-exile like Gilad Atzmon!

    When you analyze closely what Shamir has written, you will find many contradictions and smoke and mirrors. His supercilious, condescending, “witty” tone seems out of place for a truly sincere pro-Palestinian human rights activist.

    As for Henry Macow, he clings to the two-state solution of Palestine-Israel, which is just official apartheid, and he says nothing to indicate that he supports the Palestinian Right to Return. He even interrupted me when I was talking about it on a radio show.

  105. #105 by Wendy Campbell on October 20, 2009 - 2:43 am

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph– I’d be willing to sign that petition..
    Hey LadyBat– do you have any suggestions to add to the petition our comrade has taken the time to write out? It’s certainly a good start. Anyone who signs will be able to add their own comments.
    I hope you follow up on that Mahmmoud! I’m not sure which petition website is the best. Anyone care to recommend one?

  106. #106 by Wendy Campbell on October 20, 2009 - 2:55 am

    By the way, I have already written all I care to write about the untrustworthy Israel Shamir in all my posts above, so if anyone is really interested in my opinion about him & his writings, please see my numerous posts above. All I want to say to sincere truthseekers is to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing. BEWARE. And think for yourself. Demand Truth and consistency, moral clarity, and JUSTICE.

  107. #107 by Wendy Campbell on October 20, 2009 - 2:59 am

    I thought I had posted this the other day, a report I wrote just the other day after RE-reading Israel Shamir’s article which appears in my husband Mark’s book of compilations of writers on the subject of the evils of Zionism “Persecution, Privilege and POWER”.

    Here’s the article:
    Wendy Campbell’s Review of “Carter and the Swarm”, an article by Israel Shamir

    (“Carter and the Swarm”, published in Mark Green’s compilation of articles by various writers on the Israel-Palestine conflict “Persecution, Privilege and POWER” available at Amazon.)
    10-17-09

    Since I once was a big fan of Israel Shamir’s, but am no longer, I decided to re-read one of his articles, to see how I interpret his writing now that I have formed an altogether different opinion of Mr. Shamir than I used to have.

    Due to his refusal to answer my first question about his serving in the IDF directly, and his subsequent public twisting of my words and taking a condescending know-it-all attitude towards me, all the while refusing to answer any of my subsequent questions, I have since done some more intensive research on Mr. Shamir and have concluded that he is an agent provocateur who is most likely on the Mossad payroll. Oh yes. I know some of you think that may be a bit over the top. But have you read ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky’s two non-fiction books about his experience with the Mossad? Have you read “Robert Maxwell: Israel’s Super Spy”? Have you watched the 4 part series on Israeli Spying in the US that was spiked from Fox News’ website archives?

    If you have done all that, as I have, and more, then you will probably understand that it is certainly not at all far-fetched to come to the conclusion that Israel Shamir, also known on his Swedish passport and in Sweden as Joram Jemas, where he has three Swedish sons from two Swedish wives, could very well be an asset and/or an agent of the Mossad. Serving as an agent provocateur, pretending to have converted to Christianity, while adhering to his privileges as a Jew in Jewish state of Israel, and not embracing Islam in any way, even though the majority in Palestine is Muslim, he gains the trust of Christian anti-Zionists, despite all the inconsistencies with everything about him, including his name, his living in the Jewish state, his having served as a combatant with the IDF during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, etc.. While he claims to be for the one-democratic-state solution, he maintains that all Jews can stay there, even the most recent extreme dual citizen Jewish settlers who have stolen Palestinian lands while killing the Palestinians who own it.

    Upon re-reading his article “Carter and the Swarm”, I have found the inconsistencies of someone who is an apologist for the Jewish state of Israel and the Zionist Jews in the US and in Israel who support the Jewish state.

    While President Carter himself is a Christian Zionist, he is so openly, while manifesting a deep caring compassion for all the Palestinians as well as the Jews there. In showing any compassion at all for the Palestinians, he has opened himself up to “the swarm” of Jewish critics, which is the main subject of Shamir’s article.

    Shamir wittily writes how even before Carter, “we already knew that the Zionists had established a racist apartheid regime in the Holy Land where Jews have rights and goyim have duties.”

    He points out that Carter, like many other politicians who want to keep their careers while in office, waited until he was retired to openly criticize the Jewish state for its persecution of non-Jewish Palestinians.

    Shamir paints a gloomy picture, and claims that hope for the Palestinians “is dead”. He claims that while the Zionists rule in the Western world, “Palestine has no chance”.

    Let me point out to you, that these are not the words of a leader for pro-Palestinian human rights!

    This kind of gloom and doom attempts to actually seal the deal for the Zionists!

    Then he goes on to write: “Though most ordinary US Jews are sane and sensible , these decisions are made by super-rich, super-powerful, super-chauvinist who are anything but.”

    In this article, he talks of his “native Siberia” as if that’s his true identification of his homeland, yet he lives in Israel during the winters and in Sweden during the summers with passports and homes in both countries. His true identity is certainly a slippery issue, as is his “religon” and his allegiances. He supposedly converted to Christianity, but how it is that he is so comfortable living in the Jewish state of Israel?

    His take on Jews is equally slippery. At the beginning of the article, he talks about how “most ordinary US Jews are sane and sensible” yet later in the article he claims “these quite ordinary Jews who fully identify with their community, are the key to the swarm attack. There are many Jewish media-lords, even more Jewish editors, but it is the Ropschitzes [Wendy’s note:he referring to “the ordinary Jews”] that clinch the party line. These willing executioners of our freedom, these footsoldiers of the media lords, automatically defend “the Jews” (ie. The organized Jewish community) at any price.”

    Towards the end of the article, he writes that “the US is being pushed by the same forces” meaning the Zionist Jews, into “a new war in the Middle East”. Then he wrote: “Let us try and stop it by being fearless, for as a Jewish Hassid spiritual song hath it, “haikar lo lefahed bihlal” the most important thing is not to be afraid at all.” Hmm… For an man who has made a big deal about “converting” to Christianity, couldn’t he find a quote from a Christian source that speaks about courage? I can think of some off the top of my head.

    Then he goes on to finish the article by saying: “Carter brought us hope that there is an America the world can live with: a non-aggressive, democratic America, whose policies aren’t decided by the rich donors, but by the ordinary Americans who voted against the war, and who today gather in Washington called to stop its escalation.”

    Why is it that Mr. Shamir focuses only on “our hope” for Carter’s vision for America, and not for the Jewish state of Israel— that it be non-aggressive and democratic? Unfortunately the “ordinary” Jews in Israel voted as a majority block for ultra racist Netanyahu and for the expansion of the Jewish state of Israel at the expense of the Palestinian people and secondarily the American taxpayers. Why did Mr. Shamir divert attention from Israel on to America?

    This is not appropriate for someone who many consider as a leader in the pro-Palestinian rights movement— to divert attention from the sins of the Jewish state, to personally reap the benefits of the Jewish state, to have served in the army for the Jewish state (and not have apologized for such), to be so slippery in his identities and messages and creeds, to be ever so witty and humorous with regards to the depth of human tragedy (as in “goyim has duties”– I, for one, am not amused).

    With regards to Israel Shamir, I say: Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing.

  108. #108 by Doug on October 20, 2009 - 8:52 am

    “Chabad bad boys
    Watcha gonna do,
    you ugly smelly
    meshuggenah you
    Chabad bad boys
    Watcha gonna do,
    what about the babies
    the mohel blew
    When you were only eight
    and learned to hate,
    Yeshiva school taught you
    that the Zionists rule
    Now you’re nothing but
    the devil’s fool
    Raping gentile women
    makes you feel so cool
    Hey Hey!!!
    Chabad bad boys
    Watcha gonna do,
    when the ghosts of the Kulaks
    come for you
    Chabad bad boys
    Watcha gonna do,
    the gates of Hell
    open wide for you
    No Nazi naw give you no break
    No Arab naw give you no break
    No tax man naw give you no break
    Not even Jesus gonna give you no break
    HEY HEY!!!
    Chabad bad boys
    Whatcha gonna do,
    mass murder and
    tolen organs too
    Chabad bad boys
    Watcha gonna do,
    maybe you’ll die
    from your own swine FLOOOO!!!”
    — Marshall

  109. #109 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 20, 2009 - 2:34 pm

    Wendy Campell,
    First, I forgot to put the link to togethr4peace.org website where you can go to register your anticipated support.

    http://www.together4peace.org/index.php?option=com_petition&view=petition&id=5&Itemid=45

    To tell you the truth, I am Israel Shamir out. After reading so many post about him, One thing springs to mind: his first and last name. That should speak for itsself.

    His first name stands for the state sponsored terrorist nation[israel].

    The last name is brings to mind the name of former P.M. of that that state, who was also natorious war-criminal with a long history of terrorist activities, including the shooting down of a U.N. airplane carrying U.N. Special Commissionor, Kunt Bernodote.

    There are more news worthy Jewish or israeli intellectuals who deserve our attention. For expample: The Refusenicks; The israeli pilots and several teenagers who preferred to go to jail instead of serving in the IOF. One of the highschooler who refused to serve was the daughter of former deputy of the head of Mossad. They are crying for our help and attention, which they truly deserve. The End.

  110. #110 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on October 20, 2009 - 3:10 pm

    Wendy Campell’s argument and logical explanation on Israel Shamir seems very convincing. And if I could borrow the infamous phrase of our dumb ass 43rd president, “you are either with us or against us.”, this would hold true in Shamir’s case.

    Remember folks, there is no such middle-ground exists between Hell & Heaven. One have to choose either or. It is plain and simple. That is my two cents on Israel Shamir drama.

    PS: Thanks you Doug for sharing your peom! Using writing, art and peotry is another form of resistance against opression and injuctice in the world we live in.

  111. #111 by Jalid on October 20, 2009 - 4:06 pm

    “Financial compensation and generous reparations must be paid…”
    Never!
    When the last Jew leaves he must take his shoes off and shake them and hit them on each other so that
    Even the last atom of dust remains ours …

  112. #112 by Jalid on October 20, 2009 - 4:18 pm

    Dear Sista “Bat”,
    You make my pride happy when i read your posts.
    Google up Policarpa Salavarrieta and / or Joan de Arc to see reflections of the image I saw while reading you.
    Many sisters languish as we speak, in the overcrowded jails of the “Iahood” …
    May the Lord strengthen their strength and perseverance.
    May karma turn on the oppressor.
    May “Israel” burn in flames of horror
    Sadly the solution to the fate of our people will not be materialized but thru an immense bloodbath.
    Usually, the unjust loses the battle.
    Too bad we are not that important so that Al Jabbar plans would have us as witnesses to the unfolding events of apocalyptic Justice Serving, in our life times.

  113. #113 by Jalid on October 20, 2009 - 4:34 pm

    Dear Sister,
    be aware that the the phrase “Right of Return” also implies recognition of the Artificial entity build over five hundred and thirty of our demolished villages.
    “Right of Return” implies that we would come back to Palestine to live amongst the Jews as second class citizens.
    While i am fully aware they will never even agree to it anyway,
    my hope and dream is one of a completely sanitised Palestine taken back by brutal force.
    A force that will shake the planet so dramatically that it will fully erradicate hipocrisy and aggresion forever.

  114. #114 by Ladybat on October 21, 2009 - 4:53 am

    Okay then lets talk!

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph said…
    “I am intrested in what Ladybat, Wendy, Xanadu, and even Ruthie take on this. Infact this is open for discussion.”

    I think its a fair offer and would be willing to sign a petition like that but of course no one is saying where all these funds will come from. Also when they say to pay Palestinians for their homes that cannot be returned to them or are unable to return to their home for what ever reason, THREE TIMES WHAT THEIR HOME IS WORTH, does that mean what their home was worth when the zionazis first arrived there and stole it from them or THREE TIMES WHAT IT IS WORTH today at today’s market value?

    We must be very careful brother. We do not want to ever be “jewed” out of any thing ever again.

    We have to ask though who is going to provide these funds for all these reparations because I am wondering how the world is going to feel about having to pay all this money for the crimes of the victims of Hitler?

    But this is a dream offer for sure. Who ever thought it up truly understands exactly what the Palestinian people have lost.

    You are the child of a refugee camp Palestinian family? My dear brother, I am so very sorry about what America has done to you and to all the people of Palestine and I will not ever stop fighting for the cause of the Palestinian people as long as I draw breath in my body. I promise you that. My Palestinian family escaped the refugee camps because they are all from Gaza. But my father in law had hundreds of acres of farm land inside the part that the zionazis now refer to as “israel proper. Or israel homeland for the jew and the jew only”.

    When they took Palestine by force and began referring it to this made up invented devil name “israel” they did so on top of my father in law’s lands there and deemed the title to his lands in that part null and void. And then built one of their largest nazi Jew settlements on top of it. All that remains to us now is a few acres inside of Gaza of which every inch of it has been bombed by the zionazi devils of this world. In my life time I have never known a more hateful people and I doubt I ever will know a more hateful people as the zionazi European Khazar people who now refer to themselves as “Jews”.

    The German nazis were angels compared to these horrible zionazi “israelis”! May they burn in hell forever! For the last 9 years, ever since I got my first computer, I have watched every thing these devils have done every single day and I spent the last 8 years researching all there is to know about them and about our dear Palestine. Our Fillisteen! I have not ever been so touched by any thing as I have by this conflict. I have been shaken to my core and will not ever give up fighting for Palestine in every way I have available to fight for her.

    ***

    Sardonicus said..
    “Little does Ladybat know that she’s no match for Ruth Bernstein, our resident Jewish supremacist. No one has ever tangled with this evil bitch and not been torn to pieces.”

    Sardonicus you do not know me then. I am the type of person who, just for the fun of it, will put on my “FREE PALESTINE” T-Shirt and FREE PALESTINE CAP and FREE PALESTINE bracelets and FREE PALESTINE SWEAT SHIRT and go to the mall where those “israeli” venders are, you know the ones who operate those silly cosmetic stands in the middle of the mall, and I will walk right past them looking at them just praying to God that one of them will just say one word to me. They call every one over to their stands. But they turn their heads the other way when I look them in their eyes. If you saw me and you were a Jew you would not attempt to have a conversation with me.

    Especially, last year during the Gaza invasion. I never wanted to kick zionazi ass as bad as I did during those days. I went to the mall purposely looking for them but every one of them were gone. No where to be seen.

    Afraid of them?? I would just as soon spit right in their faces! Just let one single one of them ever dare to step in my path. I AM AN AMERICAN AND THERE ARE NO PALESTINIAN CHECK POINTS IN MY COUNTRY! I wish to God one of them would even try it with me! Filthy scum bag zionist trash. I HATE THEIR GUTS!

    They have even ruined movie watching for me. Because, now, every time I see a Jew in a movie, I wonder if he is a zionist Jew. And since the majority of Jews ARE zionist Jews then the it probably means all those Jewish actors are zionists too. And then I cannot even watch the movie any more because I cannot stand to look at the Jewish actor’s face. I hope that stupid Seinfeld bunch all catch some terminal decease and die a long slow death. EVERY ONE OF THEM.

    I cant stand to unless I personally know that particular Jew is not a zionist Jew.

    I used to love Starbucks. Used to be one of my favorite places to have coffee. But then I found out that its an “israeli” company. I have not been back to a starbucks ever since. I will not even buy any thing I know comes from a zionist “israel” supporter company.

    They even took my Disney world from me! Walt Disney was not even Jewish and never gave a damn about “israel” but now his company totally infested with them!

    They take every thing good away from us. They are nothing but evil and a cancer on this earth.

    Just eating up every thing they come in contact with because they are an empty people and empty people can never be filled up so they just keep on trying to fill themselves up until every thing is gone. All the light in the world gone. Eaten by these devil people.

    I’m not afraid of people like “Ruth”. I do not even believe she really is a Jew any way. I think she/he is just a person in here yanking all our chains. Nothing more.

    I consider her to be nothing more than a bothersome insect. They are all over the net these days.

    ***

    Jalid said..
    be aware that the the phrase “Right of Return” also implies recognition of the Artificial entity build over five hundred and thirty of our demolished villages.
    “Right of Return” implies that we would come back to Palestine to live amongst the Jews as second class citizens.
    While i am fully aware they will never even agree to it anyway,
    my hope and dream is one of a completely sanitised Palestine taken back by brutal force.
    A force that will shake the planet so dramatically that it will fully erradicate hipocrisy and aggresion forever.

    My dear brother do not ever think that I expect it to be this way for the people of Palestine!

    Never as second hand citizens. They must be allowed to return to ALL OF THEIR PERSONAL PRIVATE PROPERTIES and have all the same equal rights as every other person who lives there.

    Jalid, my brother I totally understand the anger inside of you believe me I do understand it and I share it with you. I know you probably think because I am an American and just because I’m married to a Palestinian, I still could not ever totally understand the heart of the Palestinian people because I did not actually live through their suffering myself personally.

    But Jalid believe me when I tell you that sometimes it is better to live through the suffering than to be eaten alive by guilt as I am. Which is why I feel so compelled to fight so hard for Palestine for the rest of my life.

    And also because I HATE INJUSTICE BEING DONE TO OPPRESSED PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES! AND BEING DONE IN MY NAME! IN AMERICA’S NAME! The blood of all the murdered Palestinian people are on the hands of every single American citizen. How can we ignore so much blood when it is all over us every single day? WE CANNOT!

    Oh my God! The devil zionist jews chased down every German nazi war criminal all over this earth for years and years after that war and the world punished the German nazis for what they did BUT THE WORLD DOES NOTHING TO THE ZIONIST WAR CRIMINALS IN ISRAEL! NOTHING! NO JUSTICE AT ALL! NOTHING!

    Obamma is just another failure of a leader. I had so much hope that he would be the one to finally stand up to the devil zionazis but he just did what all the others before him have done. Just did their bidding.

    But back to what you were saying..

    I feel I must remind you of this. My father in law, who never lied to me not one time as long as I knew him, he told me that before the horrible zionazis arrived in Palestine and did what they did, that the Palestinian native peoples all lived together in peace as one people. But only having different religious beliefs. They were still ALL PALESTINIAN. Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Christians, and Palestinian Muslims. There were no real issues between you all. You just prayed differently and worshiped God in different ways but you were not warring with each other or killing each other.

    They were not the ones who did this Jalid. They were Palestinian too. Arab too. They did not come from Europe. They came from Abraham, Peace be upon him, just like you did.

    They are as much a part of Palestine as you are my dear brother even though your heart is so angry against all Jews every where today.

    I want Palestine returned to it’s rightful people. To be governed by its rightful people. I want no less than this. But you must remember to be just and fair if God gives you the chance to have that again. You must be better than the enemy you now are forced to fight.

    Look at them Jalid. They were a people in Europe whom Europe wronged. And they came to your country and they took it out on your people who had nothing to do with any thing that happend to them in Europe.

    And they used their conflict in Europe as an excuse to do to you what they did.

    But Palestinian people will not become what their enemy is. They will not ever be that monster.

    Because I know the Palestinian people as well as I know myself and they are the most forgiving and merciful people on this earth and they are not bad. Not one single Palestinian is bad nor can be blamed for any thing he has done since Palestine was given to the European Jews by the criminal meddling Brits.

    Not one single Palestinian can be blamed for any thing other than self defense.

    But if there comes a time my dear brother that God gives you the power again. The jews who are not to blame. The Jews who are not zionist nor who did any thing bad to you.

    You know they have a right to live there too. They were once your cousins. And your fellow equal citizens. And you all lived there in peace and shared your beloved Palestine together.

    Do not let your anger turn you into a monster no better than the zionist nazis my dear Jalid.

    Because you are Palestinian. And Palestinians are the best people in this world. And you will not be something that you are not. You are more strong than that!

    But every single European person or any foreign person who came to Palestine after world war 2 and who did not purchase their homes personally from a Palestinian native has no right to be there at all. And if they gave birth to kids while they were trespassing on Palestinian properties then their children are born trespassers and they have no right to be there either.

    All Palestinians must be allowed to return to their private properties and they must be compensated for the loss of their family members who were murdered by the zionazis and they must be compensated for damaged properties and even for pain and suffering even though there is not enough money in the whole world that can ever make up for what has been done to Palestine.

    But Palestinians are not like the European jew. All they want is what belongs to them returned. When this has been done you will not see Palestinian people continue to badger the world and whine and whine about the past. Nor will Palestinian people go to another people and take out their anger on any innocent people as the Jews of Europe did to the People of Palestine.

    But until that day comes, until Palestine is returned to her rightful owners, the people of Palestine will continue fighting for their homeland and people.

    BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY AND BY ANY MEANS THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM TO FIGHT!

    EVEN IF IT TAKES A THOUSAND YEARS!

    Peace and blessings be always with you my brother and to all other Palestinian people on this earth where ever they are and to all people who are friends of the Palestinian people, and who have heard the cries of the people of Palestine and who now stand and do battle with the zionist nazis along side the people of Palestine.

    Someday, God willing, victory will be ours.

    Some day we will see Palestine free. God willing we will see this before we pass from this earth.

    Bat

  115. #115 by Wendy Campbell on October 21, 2009 - 6:20 am

    Yeah, I doubt if “Israel Shamir” is his real name anyway!

    What an irony that he chose the name “Israel” as his first name when he is trying to pass himself off as a true pro-Palestinian human rights activist!

    It’s galling! Talk about “chutzpah”!

    Ha!

    If he’s going to change his religion from Judaism to Christianity, you’d think that he might as well change his name to Christian, instead of “Israel”!

    Duh!

    Here he is passing himself off as a Christian, and a true supporter of Palestinian human rights, and yet he actually lives in a stolen Palestinian home in Jaffa, Palestine-Israel, lives off the largesse of the American tax payers like the rest of the Israeli scum, and thinks that it’s perfectly dandy to keep all the Zionist Jews inside Israel even if it transforms into Palestine-Israel, the one-democratic-state that he claims to be all for. So that means he even thinks the rabid werewolves, the Jewish settlers can stay too! NO WAY!!!!

  116. #116 by Xanadu on October 22, 2009 - 6:31 am

    To Wendy Campbell

    You have won an easy victory in your campaign against Israel Shamir. This is because restrictions have been placed upon me which have not been placed upon you.

    You have been free to speak your mind on this site and defame me as a “Mossad agent”. I have not been free to answer you.

    You have been free to attack me. I have not been free to defend myself. I have been forced to remain silent.

    And so, congratulations again on your easy victory.

    note from me, MG–Wendy has not been given an easy victory and the only restrictions I have placed here have been that I don’t want 2 of my good friends tearing into each other unneccessarily. If you feel I have favored her as far as her comments, than I will go back and remove everything in the thread dealing with the Shamir controversy so that everything is on a level playing field.

  117. #117 by AHMED K on October 22, 2009 - 9:39 am

    Ladybat

    In early 1900, when the programme to steal Palestine started, the percentage of Jews was about 6%. In other words,90% of the Jews don’t belong there.They have come there by the murder, explulsion and theft of palestines and palestine..

    In the context of Palestine, Jews are not victims of anything..
    only possibly, sunburn, because their skins are too pale to deal with the Palestinian sun..
    I don’t know what’s WW2, hitler or holocaust…
    are they some sort of weeds or … ?
    Could someone please explain to me what these things are ?????

  118. #118 by Xanadu on October 22, 2009 - 3:22 pm

    note from me, MG–Wendy has not been given an easy victory and the only restrictions I have placed here have been that I don’t want 2 of my good friends tearing into each other unneccessarily. If you feel I have favored her as far as her comments, than I will go back and remove everything in the thread dealing with the Shamir controversy so that everything is on a level playing field.

    Don’t do that, dear Mark. By this very comment you demonstrate your fairness. Because I have kicked up a fuss about this matter doesn’t mean I am in the right. Please look upon me as a spoilt brat who has had a little tantrum. I was in the wrong for not exercising more restraint.

  119. #119 by Xanadu on October 22, 2009 - 3:37 pm

    In the last analysis, Mark, you must exercise your judgement. I should have kept my cool and gone with the flow. You know from long experience of me that I am NOT Israel Shamir or a Mossad agent.

    If Wendy Campbell wishes to believe this, she’s welcome.

    I’m not really mad at her for saying this. I respect Wendy and admire her too much to be mad at her — and I’m also deeply flattered to be identified as Israel Shamir, the dangerous “Mossad agent”. :)

    Kind regards and blessings,

    Xanadu.

    —-note from me MG–Xan, as I told Wendy, dealing with the Jews and their organically-deceptive behavior creates an atmosphere of the mind in us where oftentimes we see thing that aren’t there. It is natural, given the fact that the Jews have mastered and have made so much a part of how they do things the employment of smokescreens and false realities and therefor in the “fog of battle” we oftentimes see tigers in the weeds when in reality they are just weeds.
    As I said, if you feel that the thread is tilted unfairly in Wendy’s direction I will remove the entire thing and we’ll just pretend it never took place at all.

    PS–no, you are not a “spoilt brat,” just a passionate fighter for the truth.

  120. #120 by Wendy Campbell on October 22, 2009 - 4:19 pm

    To MG–

    I think you explained yourself correctly, that it’s not right to defame each other on this board, which Xanadu began with me INSTEAD of addressing objectively all the VALID points that I made about Israel Shamir, many of which you agree with.

    The fact is that the man who calls himself “Israel Shamir” needs to be reconsidered as a true Palestinian Rights Activist for all the legitimate reasons that I have painstakingly spelled out.

    We NEED to know who are REAL comrades are and I believe Israel Shamir CANNOT be trusted, and I explain why in detail. I’ve know Mr. Shamir since 2001, and one of his articles appears in my husband Mark Green’s book “Persecution, Privilege and POWER” (available on Amazon).

    I think we are approaching the moment of TRUTH about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on a world scale basis and we have to be CLEAR about out message and we need to expose those who are muddying up the waters in our quest for JUSTICE for the Palestinians.

    OK, so maybe Xanadu is NOT a Mossad agent. I take his and your word for it.

    But the MAIN ISSUE is that Israel Shamir is most likely NOT who he says he is, as per my painstaking points made in the above posts.

    Thanks, MG, for allowing us to air our opinions here.

  121. #121 by Xanadu on October 22, 2009 - 4:55 pm

    As I said, if you feel that the thread is tilted unfairly in Wendy’s direction I will remove the entire thing and we’ll just pretend it never took place at all.

    PS — No, you are not a “spoilt brat,” just a passionate fighter for the truth.

    Dear Mark, just relax! I don’t want anything removed. If I did, I really WOULD be a “spoilt brat”.

    As you know, the only spoilt brat on this site is our Jewish supremacist friend Ruth Bernstein. How you can put up with this appalling woman is a mystery to me. Honestly Mark, you must have the patience of a saint! :)

  122. #122 by Xanadu on October 22, 2009 - 5:12 pm

    You’re quite right about the “fog of battle.” We often forget, when we start using each other as punching bags, that we are all on the same side. Wendy and I essentially want the same things: the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all stolen land and property to their rightful owners.

    The only difference here is that there are some Palestinians, like Jalid and Ladybat, who want the moon — and they can never have it. Their demands are so extreme that nothing would satisfy them but the systematic slaughter of every Jew in Israel and the total destruction of every Jew in the diaspora.

    This is over the top, Mark. You know it is. This is not reason speaking. This is rage. It’s as if the blood in their veins were gasoline and someone had just set a match to it.

    I sympathize with them. Their people have suffered much. But proportion and balance are needed in human affairs.

    Such irrational hotheads do not help the situation. I will not even bother to enter into argument with them. They are beyond the reach of reason.

  123. #123 by LP Pandora on October 22, 2009 - 8:52 pm

    Wendy Campbell: “OK, so maybe Xanadu is NOT a Mossad agent. I take his and your word for it.”

    You can take my word for it too. Xanadu is a respected poster on this site and has never been called a Mossad agent by anyone before.

    BTW, Xanadu is a female and has had her articles published all over the internet under three different pseudonyms — all on respected anti-Zionist sites, including sites recommended by yourself on marwenmedia.

    She also happens to be my sister.

  124. #124 by Jalid on October 22, 2009 - 10:06 pm

    Ms Wendy Campbell,
    I drank Turkish Coffe today at a friends house.
    when I was done she turnt the small cup over the plate.
    A few minutes later after she assumed it was already dry she flipped it over again and read from the dark brown stuff in the bottom…
    It said:
    Israel Shamir is God.

  125. #125 by Wendy Campbell on October 23, 2009 - 3:04 am

    Jilad– what’s that supposed to mean?

    Xanadu should use her real name. I do. I have to take the heat. So should she.

  126. #126 by Ladybat on October 23, 2009 - 3:15 am

    AHMED K said..
    “In early 1900, when the programme to steal Palestine started, the percentage of Jews was about 6%. In other words,90% of the Jews don’t belong there.They have come there by the murder, explulsion and theft of palestines and palestine.”

    ***

    And ONLY those Jews and their direct descendents have any legitiment properties in Palestine. As every father passes his lands down to his children. So too did those Arab Jews in Palestine pass theirs down to their children.

    So did the Palestinian Christians and Muslims pass their lands down to their children. But the difference is that the Jewish Palestinian fathers who passed their lands down to their children did not also have to pass down trespassers on that land to their children like the Palestinian Christian and Muslim fathers had to.

    So the Christian and Muslim Palestinian children did not only inharet their father’s lands. They also got the trespassers with their fathers lands too. And then they had to take over where their fathers left off trying to get the trespassers removed from their lands.

    Yes you are right, before the arrival of the European Khazar colonists who refer to themselves as “Jews” after world war 2 the REAL native Palestinian Jews only made up about 5 or 6% of the total population of Palestine. So ONLY THAT PERCENT holds any true and legitement land deeds and titles to any property in Palestine.

    I feel those should be allowed to stay because they were part of the native population. They had no problem with being a small minority in Palestine back then and they should not in the future once again. Because when all the Palestinian refugees and displaced native peoples return to Palestine the native Palestinian Jewish population will be very very small indeed. And of course a tiny minority does not rule. Only the majority rules. That is only logical.

    Let us not kick any one off his or her’s lands if in fact they were part of the original Palestinian native population.

    But all those who migrated to Palestine from Europe or America or from any place else, is there illegally and must vacate the properties of the people of Palestine. And that also goes for any children and offspring that the colonists may have had since their arrival into Palestine. Just because you are born to parents who are trespassing on someone’s lands does not make you owner of those lands. It makes you born a trespasser and this is what the huge majority of the “israeli” population is.

    And let it also be known here and now that the People of Palestine have not only just now started demanding their properties back after all these years since “israel” was invented. No! They said no from the very start of their lands being taken from them and they have been saying no ever since and are still saying no and will keep saying no even when a thousand years has passed.

    AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE THIS CONFLICT. THIS IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT AND WHAT IT WILL ALWAYS BE ABOUT.

    Because the native people of Palestine refuse to say that “israel” exists. To say “israel” exists means the Palestinian people no longer claim their lands in Palestine. They cannot say “israel” exists when it is on top of their private properties that “existence” is.

    So Palestinians will never say “israel” exists. And as long as they do not say it the “israelis” keep trying to kill them all off. This is against international law and the laws that govern our whole world. This is ethneck cleansing. And if the Germans were not allowed to do it then why are the grandchildren of the victims of Germany allowed to do it? Yet they are allowed to do it. So that means that no one is safe if we allow them to get by with it then others will get by with it in the future and that means no one in our world is safe from the same thing happening to them also.

    ****

    AHMED K said
    “I don’t know what’s WW2, hitler or holocaust…
    are they some sort of weeds or … ?
    Could someone please explain to me what these things are ?????”

    ****

    My dear sweet Palestinian brother. I know you better than this! I have spent the last 9 years telling people every single day about how smart and intelligent the people of Palestine are. How fair and just they are.

    You know what these things are. You know what the Holocaust in Germany was about. And what World war 2 was about.

    But, it had nothing to do with you. Because you are a Palestinian. You are an Arab. You are not a German nor a European person. So those things did not have any thing to do with you so you should not be forced to have to pay for what other criminal people have done.

    It is hard for people like you and I to have sympathy now for what Germany did back then to some of their immigrant population. Because not very many people have shown any sympathy for our people of Palestine. At least not people who can actually do something about it. Only now do we have a growing public sympathetic to our side and only now because of the arrival of the computer and internet. It’s taken 70 years to educate the world about this conflict. About Palestine and about the truth.

    I do not blame you in the least for having no sympathy for them now. I can not even stand to hear them say the word “holocaust”. It makes me just want to spit in their face and walk a way from them. But to deny that you have ever even heard of the “holocaust” or “world war 2″ makes you look dumb my brother. And I will not have any Palestinian brother or sister look dumb. BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE PALESTINIAN THAT IS DUMB. NOT ANY WHERE IN THIS WORLD.

    Palestinian people are some of the smartest people on this earth and the most determined and even the most generous and peaceful and just and fair. But they will defend themselves when wronged or attacked and they have been greatly wronged and are still being wronged and still being attacked every single day!

    You are not dumb Ahmed. Please do not give any one a reason to think you are. Because I know you are not! You are Arab and you are Palestinian. So how can you be dumb? You are not!

  127. #127 by Xanadu on October 23, 2009 - 7:57 am

    Wendy Campbell October 23, 2009 at 3:04 am

    Xanadu should use her real name. I do. I have to take the heat. So should she.

    I admire you for your courage, Wendy. I wish I had it in equal measure so that I too could use my real name. My circumstances, however, are altogether different from yours.

    Firstly, I live in a different country where free speech is not permitted (England) and where people are actually dismissed from their jobs for mentioning God.

    A nurse was recently sacked for saying she would pray for an elderly female patient who was dying of a terminal disease. The patient herself had made no complaint. The complaint had come from another nurse. Hospital management decided that anyone who offered to pray for anyone else was guilty of proselytising. This couldn’t be tolerated. It was an insult to secular humanism — and of course it gave unspeakable offence to atheists. :)

    In a country such as this, dear Wendy, where free speech is entirely lacking and where people get sacked from their jobs for mentioning God, I would have no chance of survival if I wrote anti-Zionist articles under my own name. I would lose my job instantly.

    Criticizing Israel will soon be a criminal offence throughout Europe.

    I need to survive, Wendy.

    I need to keep my job in the university where I have a part-time job as a junior lecturer. (I am 31 years old). Even if I wasn’t sacked for saying bad things about Israel, my promotion prospects would be blocked. I would be ostracised by my colleagues. Nobody would speak to me in the staff room. I would become a leper.

    I admire you for your courage, Wendy, for speaking out so bravely in a country where free speech is allowed. You have a husband to support you if anything should go wrong. I don’t.

    I have to work for my living…and watch my back all the time.

  128. #128 by AHMED K on October 23, 2009 - 9:54 am

    ladybat

    in the context of Europe, it’s people and it’s history, I know what hitler and holocaust mean. I also know the camps were labour camps and not extermination camps.

    in the context of Palestine, I don’t know what it means. There, I have a blank.What a European leader, known as Hitler, did or did’nt do to other Europeans, is of no relevance to Palestine or Palestinians. The degree of non-relevance is what I meant when I said I don’t known what hitler or holocaust is…

  129. #129 by Wendy Campbell on October 23, 2009 - 7:15 pm

    Xanadu–
    I hear you, and I understand. Even here in the US people are afraid of the power of the Zionists to undermine your chances of getting jobs, promotions, etc. And the Jewish watchdog groups have all the politicians here on a short list; the media is totally dominated by Zionists, which was even pointed out in an article by Joel Stein in the LA Times, with great pride, I might add. The situation is indeed dire. I have to admit that I have nightmares myself of being sabotaged by the Zionists—literally.
    You know how they manipulate the internet as best they can, and put up websites defaming me here and there, and you know how gullible and fearful people are– they just might believe it (the slander) or they might be afraid to associate with someone who is branded as a “Holocaust Denier”– their favorite smearword, ironic since they deny the Nakba, and what they are now doing to the Palestinians is nothing less than genocide. Disgusting double standards!
    Anyway, peace to you, and keep up your great work.
    Glad that we are on the same side of justice for the Palestinians!

  130. #130 by Wendy Campbell on October 23, 2009 - 7:18 pm

    I meant to say that the Zionist have all the American politicians on a SHORT LEASH (as in what a dog has around its neck) not short list. The list of such politicians who kowtow to the Zionists is a LONG list, for sure.

  131. #131 by Ladybat on October 23, 2009 - 8:39 pm

    Ahmed K said..

    “in the context of Europe, it’s people and it’s history, I know what hitler and holocaust mean. I also know the camps were labour camps and not extermination camps.”

    ***

    While there has been much about the Holocaust that has been greatly exaggerated, and so many claims about it made with no proof or evidence to back up those claims, and it has been used as some sort of tool for certain people to gain reparations and other funds when they do not deserve those funds, and while it has been turned into a kind of “industry” in order to give a very un grateful and un deserving people every single thing they demand and want in this world, the bottom line is that there were people in Germany who were put in prison and some killed because they were of a different race and religion than other German people were. That was wrong Ahmed. And this is not to be confused with why Palestinians want the European colonists out their country as well.

    It is also very very wrong that the same thing is being done to the people of Palestine today by the grand children of those in Germany who were done wrong there.

    The biggest difference is those in Germany done wrong got justice and even more than justice. And are still getting justice for it to this day. Most of them are dead and gong now but their great grand children still receive funds and reparations for what Germany did. The criminals who did their grand parents wrong were all hunted down and put on trial in front of the world and punished for what they did wrong.

    But the world is not doing the same thing for the criminals who have wronged and are still wronging the people of Palestine. That is what we mean when we say “No justice. No peace”. Because with out justice there can never be any peace for any one.

    The only holocaust that I see is the one in front of my face happening right now. IN PALESTINE. Today in front of our faces. The one the zionist Jews harp about has been done and over for many years and they are not being done those wrongs any longer and have received both justice and reparations for those wrongs. But Palestine has not received either. That is why the world must stand up and do something about it. Why the world thought it was important enough to go to war with Germany when Germany was doing wrong to the Jews but the world does not think it important enough to go to war with “israel” to stop the Jews from doing the wrong they are doing?

    The world has said to the people of Palestine for the last 70 years that their lives have no value. That their lives are not worth the same as Jewish lives.

    How does the world expect the people of Palestine to feel about that? How can the world ever expect us to show any sympathy what so ever for the German Jews of last century and what happened to them so far from the shores and borders of Palestine? When no care what so ever has been shown to Palestine?

    The world will regret the way it treated Palestine’s people. Some day, God willing, the world is going to be very very sorry for it.

    I do acknowledge that there were Jews in Germany done wrong. To what extent I do not know because the facts are so vague now. And since the world is un willing to hold an independent investigation about it and even puts fourth laws that say that any one who dares to question the “offical” story of the Holocaust is to be jailed for doing so, we will probably never really know the truth. But will continue on hating the Jewish people more and more because now they even have the power to put us in jail just for daring to question.

    Where does it all end? Will no one stand up to these horrible zionist devils? Even though it is plain to see that they are going to be the cause of the end of our world? The world we must all share and live on together? I don’t know where its all going to end if no one will stand up and fight them.

    *******

    Ahmed K said..
    “in the context of Palestine, I don’t know what it means. There, I have a blank.What a European leader, known as Hitler, did or did’nt do to other Europeans, is of no relevance to Palestine or Palestinians. The degree of non-relevance is what I meant when I said I don’t known what hitler or holocaust is…”

    Thank you dear brother for making yourself more clear here. Yes of course you do not understand how the holocaust in Germany relates to Palestine. Other than the fact that it was used as an excuse for Europe to dump all their troublesome European Jewish population on you in Palestine it has no relation to it at all. Palestinian people did not serve Germany or Hitler. Palestinian people did not have any thing to do with any of that so they will not give over any thing they do not owe.

    Also, there were other countries that did serve Hitler. Italy was one was it not? And did not France also side with Hitler?

    And yet these countries were not forced to give over their homeland for the Khazarian Jews of Europe. Neither was Germany.

    Do we see any German, French or Italian people living in refugee camps today? No we do not. But yet there are more than 5 million Palestinian people living in refugee camps not to mention all the others scattered out in a cruel strange world that has been nothing but hostile toward them for no good reason and no explaination for its hostility toward them. When Palestinian people never did any thing to deserve it. Were just a peaceful humble people living in their homeland tending to their olive trees and praying to God every day and doing no harm to any one. Who were grateful to God for all he gave them and still gives them.

    GOD BLESS FILISTEEN! Just her name makes me bow my head and cry!

    Because of Filisteen. I am changed Ahmed. Before, I met my Palestinian husband 18 years ago…

    I am so ashamed to admit this. I did not even know Palestine even existed. I knew nothing about it at all.

    Now, she is all of me. Her people in my heart. And I will not rest till she is free.

    God forbid my husband and I ever got separated for what ever reason, death or any other reason, I will still never ever stop fighting for Palestine. Because Palestine grabbed me and changed me and made me awake.

    Because of Palestine…

    I am changed.

    And I know a lot of other American people who feel the same way I do. Believe it Ahmed, we care as much about it as you do and we have heard the cries of people of Palestine and we will not ignore them. And we will see your homeland returned to you my brother, one way or the other we will, with God’s help see it returned to you!

    I vow it!

    Peace out
    Ladybat

  132. #132 by Jalid on October 23, 2009 - 9:52 pm

    Okay ms, Campbell
    Amazing how an extra feature would give a different context to the intention of a message,

    Here i go again then,

    Ms Wendy Campbell,
    I drank Turkish Coffe today at a friends house.
    when I was done she turned the small cup over the plate.
    A few minutes later, after she assumed it was already dry she flipped it over again and read from the dark brown stuff in the bottom …
    It said:
    Israel Shamir is God. :( :) :) :)

  133. #133 by Xanadu on October 23, 2009 - 10:01 pm

    Wendy Campbell October 23, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Xanadu–
    I hear you, and I understand…Anyway, peace to you, and keep up your great work. Glad that we are on the same side of justice for the Palestinians!

    Thanks, Wendy. I want to apologize to you for my ad hominem attack on you. As you pointed out quite correctly, I started it first. I guess I get carried away sometimes, and in the heat of argument I say things I later regret.

    I also said things about Jalid and Ladybat that I now regret. I hope they will forgive me as easily as you do.

  134. #134 by Jalid on October 23, 2009 - 10:18 pm

    Ms Campbell,
    Some women in the Arab world turn the cup of coffe over when you are done. They then wait a few minutes for it to dry then look inside and they will read your future.
    I was trying to make a joke!
    Israel Shamir is a nobody, really.
    he is a skilled writer whose job is to pour mud over the crystal waters of truth making non Palestinians believe that “We are not all bad”,
    when it is a documented fact that ninety four percent of Invading jews in Historic Palestine approved, condoned and celebrated the Mass murder in Gaza last winter.
    They are all guilty of accesory to murder.
    Gang banging cold murderers that should be lined up against the wailing wall and sprayed with bullets that will deliver us all tranquility.
    it will quite up the howling spirits that roam by the cold streets of Dear Palestine,
    waiting for justice.
    I very much appreciate your straightforwardness and bravery.
    By the way ms Campbell my name is Jalid. not Jilad.
    But its all good.

  135. #135 by Jalid on October 23, 2009 - 10:21 pm

    Commitment.
    This is a fantastic word I found in another forum.
    It was used by someone to tell someone who had said:
    “I have changed my mind on the Palestinian issue… I used to defend them but I changed my mind blah blah blah …”
    Probably a mocking Jew.

    But the answer by the other guy killed him…
    “If you never had the commitment to the cause of the unfairly treated then you never had the intention anyway…”

    Note from me: Yep, that’s what this is about!

    Commitment definitions,

    1. The act of binding yourself (intellectually or emotionally) to a course of action

    2. The trait of sincere and steadfast fixity of purpose

    And here are a few synonyms,

    Allegiance
    Loyalty
    Dedication
    Faithfulness
    Authenticity
    Constancy
    Fidelity

  136. #136 by Jalid on October 23, 2009 - 10:22 pm

    Prodigal Son
    “Why do you mention him so much?” (Jesus)

    Prodigal Son
    I love you, man
    But please allow me,
    No one owns the Patent to Jesus Christ Superstar
    There is enough blessing aura in him to cover all galaxies, planets and souls
    You misunderstood the intention of my message
    The same way others turned their back on His.

  137. #137 by Born Again Atheist on October 31, 2009 - 3:36 am

    It’s simple, actually:

    Stop thinking you’re the chosen people.

    Stop treating gentiles like chattel.

    Do your own work and stop trying to get others to do it for you.

    Fight your own fights.

    Play fair – stop cheating and stop throwing other people under the bus the moment it conveniences you to do so.

    Give as much as you get – if you take, reciprocate. One good turn deserves another.

    Give the Palestinians their land back. The fantasies of bronze-age goat herders don’t constitute a deed to the property. You left that land centuries ago. Claiming it’s yours now is like going back to your childhood home and running the current owners out at gunpoint.

    Stop being such whiny pricks about everything that doesn’t suit you.

    Try, try, TRY to understand that you are not the center of the universe.

  138. #138 by Ladybat on October 31, 2009 - 7:35 am

    Bravo Born Again Atheist!

    Whew! That went straight for their jugular. Got right to the point.

    I only disagree with one thing you said though. When you said they left that land then returned.

    There is no proof what so ever that the victims of Hitler in Europe are descended from any one in Palestine or the Middle east at all for that matter.

    I am Muslim. But I am not an Arab. Just because my religious belief began in the middle east does not mean I am blood related to or descended from any one in the middle east.

    To RETURN to a place means YOU WERE IN THAT PLACE THEN LEFT IT. And now you have RETURNED to that place.

    They were never there in the first place. And they are not descended from any one there. But since both they and the rest of the world keeps making that claim to us, that Hitler’s victims are from the land of Palestine originally….

    May we please see the evidence and proof for this claim?

    And we would prefer this evidence to be something other than the Bible.

    Because you see, they claim they were in Arabia. Specifically Palestine. And that Arabs forced them to leave. Forced them out. And that they have only now returned to reclaim what was taken from them by force by the Arabs.

    This claim is not true. The Arabs never took any thing from them nor forced them out of any where because the victims of Hitler are not nor ever have been from there and they are not descended from any one from there either.

    The Victims of Hitler are European people and nothing more. They are not nor have they ever been Arabian. There are plenty of Arabian Jewish natives for sure. But the victims of Hitler cannot ever count themselves among those Arabian native Jews no matter how much they fancy themselves as being so.

    Their people are converts to the religion of the Jews. The Jewish faith is just that. A religious belief. IT IS NOT A RACE.

    They were European people who were pagans and did not convert to the religion of the Jews until long after the time of Christ.

    Any claim that says otherwise, we would need to see absolute proof and evidence for.

    But other than this I agree with all that you said.

    Bat

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