Jewish and Catholic scholars are upset over the affirmations of the Vicar General of Jerusalem’s Latin Patriarch in a recent Famiglia Cristiana interview
Those who know and respect monsignor William Shomali, the Auxiliary Bishop and Vicar General of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem, were surprised and disturbed by his declarations on the Talmud and on Israeli education in the September 30 issue of Famiglia Cristiana. Commenting on recent episodes of vandalism against Christian holy places by Jewish extremists, he claimed “hatred of Christians” was taught in Israeli schools and the Talmud itself.
“The Talmud, the holy book studied by the ultra-orthodox, more highly venerated than the Bible itself, invites religious hatred, speaks badly of Jesus, and even worse of Mary and, in general, of Christians” he said, adding that “in Israeli schools love for the other is not taught but rather the destruction of the other”.
These blanket, defamatory generalizations produced consternation in Israeli political representatives, Jewish religious authorities and friends engaged in interreligious dialogue. While unanimously condemning the criminal acts committed by a small group of Jewish extremists and “hoodlums” against Christian sites, and calling for action to apprehend the culprits and impede recurrence, they strongly objected to the content of Bishop Shomali’s assertions.
Rabbi David Rosen, the Jerusalem based International Interreligious Affairs Director of the American Jewish Committee sought firstly, to correct Bishop Shomali’s misconception of the role of the Talmud in Jewish life.
“Contrary to the age old canard that has been popular among those Christians who have denigrated Judaism over the centuries” he says, “the Talmud is not ‘more highly venerated than the Bible itself’ and it is not even a ‘holy’ book for Jews’ but rather the all- important compendium of commentaries and debates on the principles and precepts of the Bible and the traditions expounding the latter.”
Regarding Bishop Shomali’s accusations against the Israeli educational system, Rabbi Rosen says that “While there is much that needs to be done to educate about other religions in Israeli schools … it is a totally unjustified defamation to claim that Israel’s schools teach ‘the destruction of the other.’ ”
Israel’s Ambassador to the Holy See, Zion Evrony, also points out that “Monsignor Shomali’s claim that in Israeli schools ‘love for the other’ is not taught but rather the ‘destruction of the other’ is totally false and misleading. The values of human rights, respect for the other and tolerance are central themes in the Israeli educational system. The way to solving problems is only through education and mutual understanding, not through building new hate…As opposed to the situation in most Countries of the Middle East, Christians in Israel live safely, practice their religion freely and their number is increasing.”
Rev. Joseph Sievers, Professor of Jewish History and Literature of the Hellenistic Period at the Pontifical Biblical Institute, says “This characterization of the Talmud as reported in ‘Famiglia Cristiana’ is incorrect and truly unfortunate.” He recalls however that educational problems do exist, referring to a recent, more nuanced statement issued by the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land expressing “grave concern about the education of the young in some schools where contempt and intolerance are taught”. He points to the path he hopes will be chosen by citing another Vatican document (Notes on the correct way to present the Jews and Judaism in preaching and Catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church”) “…Our two traditions are so related that they cannot ignore each other. Mutual knowledge must be encouraged at every level….”
Rabbi Rosen comments, “I do not deny that there is prejudice among Jews towards Christians and Christianity.…However, this prejudice is the result of the tragic experience of persecution and prejudice that Jews experienced at the hand of Christians over the ages. I deeply regret that such prejudice remains and unreservedly condemn an act of disrespect to Christians, their places of worship and their beliefs. Such actions are a desecration of the Divine Name and in fact insult Judaism even more than Christianity. However it is important to understand where this animosity really comes from and not to avoid that truth by conjuring false scapegoats or regurgitating old prejudices.”
Rome’s Chief Rabbi, Dr. Riccardo Di Segni finds that Bishop Shomali’s statements regarding Israeli schools are “reminiscent of a pre-Vatican II attitude towards Judaism we had hoped no longer exists”, in which “love” in the New Testament was falsely set against “legalism” as characterizing the Jewish Bible – or “Old Testament.”
“They are very disturbing proclamations, and contrary to the principles governing our contemporary dialogue” agrees Dr. Luigi De Salvia, President of “Religions for Peace/Italy”, recalling the directives of the Vatican document “Guidelines and Suggestions for implementing the Conciliar Declaration, ‘Nostra Aetate, N.4’ ” which state among other things “…The Old Testament and the Jewish Tradition founded upon it must not be set against the New Testament in such a way that the former seems to constitute a religion of only justice, fear, and legalism, with no appeal to love of God and neighbor….”
“Hopefully these words will be rescinded or clarified” Dr. De Salvia concludes. Regarding the Talmud’s alleged and disputed references that might or might not pertain to Jesus, both Jewish and Christian experts concord they are still open to contrasting interpretations.
Rabbi Rosen points out, “There is difference of opinion among scholars as to whether the few references in the Talmud that have been attributed to refer to Jesus of Nazareth are in fact just that. The Talmud was not written under Christian Rule but in the main under Babylonian rule, and thus there are few references at all to Christians” he says.
Prof. Sievers, citing the thesis of Peter Schaefer in ‘Jesus in the Talmud’, says these passages “were subject to Christian censorship and may best be understood in the context of Christian-Jewish polemics of late antiquity.”
Rome’s Chief Rabbi warns that in any case, “we must keep a sense of proportion. The material to which Bishop Shomali might be referring occupies, in all, 2 – 3 pages out of a total of 2,700. They are Haggadic narrative, enigmatic and confused, and it is quite unlikely that they refer to Christians. Numerous Christian scholarly studies, including Italian sources, have cast serious doubt that these sentences are about Jesus or Christians. They bear no normative authority and have been used over the centuries as pretexts for the burning of Talmuds.”
“We must contextualize”, continues Rome’s Chief Rabbi. “A serious and valid interreligious dialogue necessitates taking historical evolution into account in textual interpretations.”
“Excessively literal interpretations of the Gospels and Patristic texts, for example, spread hatred and anti-Judaism for hundreds of years, instigating anti-Semitism and violence against Jews.”
#1 by ahmad on October 9, 2012 - 4:39 pm
Shomally is right.the Rabbi is not telling the truth,I have read in many sources that the talmud is superior to the torah,the god of israel he stands up when reading the talmud.Jewish thinkers please solve this riddle.
#2 by Henry James Garner on October 9, 2012 - 5:21 pm
anyone who has the bad taste and gall to tell me that if I don’t belong to the Chosen Race, the Askkenazis, I am sub-human, can get stuffed. What an outrage and an insult to humanity
#3 by dachsielady on October 9, 2012 - 5:44 pm
It gives me a glimmer of hope when I see that there are still church clerics who exist who have the courage to speak truth to power.
“Hate” is a big lever or hammer that the Jews weild so mightily. They have parlayed their monopoly on the created perception of their being the chief victims of hate in this world into the “hate laws” that they have been able to undermine and subvert the very philosophical foundations of what consitutes a crime in U.S. law and the Catholic Church. The Jews have violated “Sicut Iudeus Non” every way imaginable while our “pastors” have been “tolerant”, “respectful”, wimpy and silent, sins for which they will be judged..
Sicut Iudeis non . . .”:
The orthodox Catholic position on the Jews is that no one may harm Jews for being Jews or disturb their worship, but that Christians have an equally solemn duty to prevent Jewish subversion of faith or morals.
On the one hand, the Sovereign Pontiffs strive to
1. protect the Jews from physical violence and to secure respect for their family life and their worship, as the life and worship of human persons.
2. On the other hand, they aim unceasingly at protecting Christians from the contamination of Jewish Naturalism and try to prevent Jews from obtaining control over Christians.
St. Pope Pius X felt that the endtimes had arrived in 1903. And in a sense he was right, by the time the dust had settled after World War I, all of Europe’s remaining Catholic empires had been toppled and the Jewish communist antichrist had been placed on the vacant throne of Russia’s Christian Czar. Perhaps Pius X had a vision of the future when he wrote on October 4, 1903 that
Whosoever weighs these things has certainly reason to fear that such perversion of mind may herald the evils announced for the end of time and as it were, the beginning of those calamities and that the son of perdition of whom the Apostle speaks may have already made his appearance here below. So great are the fury and hatred with which religion is everywhere assailed, that it seems to be a determined effort to destroy every vestige of the relation between God and man. On the other hand — and this is, according to the same Apostle, the special characteristic of Antichrist—with frightful presumption man is attempting to usurp the place of his Creator and is lifting himself above all that is called God. . . is dedicating the visible world to himself as a temple, in which he has the pretension to receive the adoration of his fellow men. ‘So that he sitteth in the temple of God showing himself as if he were God’” (II Thess, II, 4). (p. 177).
#4 by Andrew on October 9, 2012 - 6:05 pm
Has anyone ever read the word “canard” (most often preceded by “age old”) in any other context? That’s organization! Anyway, all this lock-step hysteria does nothing to change the fact that Israel is a hateful, bigoted society.
#5 by lolathecur on October 9, 2012 - 6:17 pm
Yeah, the truth is anti semitic. So just lie. When Bobby Fischer was accused of anti semitism(jewish by the way) he responded by saying ” I have nothing against Arabs” That I believe was the last time this accusation was hurled at him publicly. Anti semitic….what a scam.
#6 by mikael on October 9, 2012 - 6:53 pm
The only ansver to this plain bullshitt is, go fu.. your selfs and the reason, the sole reason for this, is even more simple, Palestina.
No matter the amount of drivel you and/or the hasbarasnjiks can muster, the facts remains, Palestina.
No matter how mutch lies you can muster, the piles of histroical forgerys you can muster, no matter how high you scream, fingers pointing, the facts remain the same, Palestina.
What ever you fu… can muster, the facts is that YOU invaded a country, that was a fact for milleniums. Dont even tempt to drag whatever heap fo shitt like the utter drivel about, the Biible, a book based on Sumerian/akkadian texts, moses is a direct replica of the life and work of Gilgamesj.
If you DONT know this, I am truly suppriced, and it also reveals a hughe gapp, in almost everything regarding history.
peace
#7 by Blake on October 9, 2012 - 7:30 pm
That link is not working. One must assume they have taken it down. I hate it when one has to walk on egg shells when discussing the truth about Jews and their religion.
#8 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on October 9, 2012 - 8:10 pm
The Christian establishment and its Monsignoris are the world’s greatest Jewish bootlickers! They are worshippers of the Devil and do not give a damn about the honour, dignity, reverence and respect due to their own Holy figures!
BAFS
#9 by aj on October 9, 2012 - 9:12 pm
I’ve been trying to locate his original interview with Famiglia Cristiana (http://www.corriere.it/english/) without success. See they’re using the “not THAT Jesus, not THAT Mary” canard.
#10 by dachsielady on October 9, 2012 - 9:23 pm
The link to the story at Vatican Insider is now up again. The article and the entire site was down for a few hours and Lord knows what brouhaha took place to make the article and site reappear. I copied it this time.
#11 by jabañero on October 9, 2012 - 9:38 pm
Prejudice is written into the talmud, a holy book of jewism’s highest order (equaled only by the zohar); the main source of both their suffering, and the suffering of hundreds of millions of victims of their systemic iniquity, greed, malice and arrogance. The protocols may as well be their holy book.
#12 by amicusbriefs on October 9, 2012 - 9:42 pm
Judge a tree by its fruit. The product of Israel’s educational system is jewish children writing messages on bombs that will be dropped on Palestinian children. The talmud is a vile compendium of the ravings of virulently racist rabbis.
#13 by Kalki on October 9, 2012 - 9:48 pm
All Judaic religions are to blame. Judaism, Christianity and Islam… All these religions and their denominations are fear based. Scared shitless of dissing your God. Wake up. By the way – I am not scared of god like you are. I cannot stand the way you guys pass the buck onto each other and try to remain so holy. ‘God’ is within everything, is not a crooked real estate dealer in Palestine or a freak who loves hicks in middle america.
#14 by aj on October 9, 2012 - 9:52 pm
For those wishing to thank Monsignor Shomali, I believe he can be contacted at:
Most Rev. William Shomali, Auxiliary Bishop and Patriarchal Vicar General for Palestine
Address: see Latin Patriarcate (
Tel: 02-6282323 (ext. 196), Fax: 02-6274133)
E-mail: ws@latinpat.org
Latin Patriarchate
Latin Patriarchate Road, P.O.B. 14152, Jerusalem 91141
Homepage: http://www.lpj.org
#15 by Kalki on October 9, 2012 - 10:08 pm
This problem on earth today is ENTIRELY due to Judaic religion. Christ, Allah and Yahweh. All other religions – NO..
#16 by Kalki on October 9, 2012 - 10:18 pm
200 years? Hell, we’re doomed forever if there is a single religious nutcase left on earth even a million years from now.
#17 by Kalki on October 9, 2012 - 10:29 pm
It certainly is the Jews creating problems but then muslims and christians work for the jews and enable them to corrupt the rest of the people on earth. It is religion that is the root of the problem. Blind faith. And that faith is Judaic at the core. New testament and koran included. No pussyfooting here.
#18 by kelly on October 9, 2012 - 10:32 pm
Once again the Jews are ‘offended’ because their hatred and prejudice is exposed. When i saw the Larry David episode of him urinating on a picture of Jesus Christ, i was disgusted that very few Christians said anything at all about it and thought it was funny… If you urinated on the Talmud, you would be arrested….Thank God for monsignor William Shomali.
#19 by eyesspy on October 9, 2012 - 10:50 pm
The Bible states that john is told in revelation to relay the following (i think John was the one who got the revelation)
‘and I know the blasphemy of those which say they are Jews and are not but are the synagogue of satan’. (rev 2:9)
and
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of satan, which say they are jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet….(rev 3:9)
The bible from genesis to revelation gives us clues to the long thread of the theiving of birthrights, greed and murder all go hand in hand.
Perhaps the above is the reason why there is such a schism between those racist rabbi’s and their christian coiunterparts or rather the Talmud vs The Bible.
Those Askenazi false jews are liars, murderers and thieves. We know where they came from in the russian hinterlands (Khazaria )and we know how they came to be affiliated with the Judaic religion (Khazarian emperor decides to become a jew and brings in rabbi and rabinical schools)
There are real jews living in palestine. To recognise them they have frizzy hair and dark skin. Mostly Shephardic Jews fit this generalisation and they still carry a trait of the original gene. The other peoples who also carry a trait are of course the Arabs. Of course through the centuries the real Jews were only too ready to cast of their racial make up as they were made to feel inferior to the ruling Roman structrure,
During the last 30 plus years, the racial make up in Israel has indeed changed to the blue eyed blond model of their true spirit – Nazism.
Since this became public knowledge the Zionists have issued numerous dna related reports that twist and lie us into believing they have a valid claim to the land where Isreal is supposed to be. WShat a Joke – like finding that 9/11 passport but only vaporised and melted steel.
Slowly but sureluy the truth is becoming big enough for many people to start seeing the truth. The one percenters are doomed.
#20 by Kalki on October 9, 2012 - 10:53 pm
Religion – keep it private…. No need for missionaries putting on shows, fake accents and so on. Politics… Lets stick to that. No blind faith huh???? Or am I an outcast now?
#21 by Kalki on October 9, 2012 - 11:03 pm
We dig our own graves while the yehudis laugh all the way to the bank. Drop religion. Jews are not religious as you know yourself. I cannot stand people who praise Islam or Hinduism or Christ just to get us worked up about Jews. They are not religious. They are a mafia. No religion….. No Islam, no Christ, no buddha, no vishnu….. Jews are a social menace – no religion – keep religion out of it.
And I do not respect people who promote Islam or Christianity because of the Jew menace… They are no better.
#22 by hp on October 9, 2012 - 11:32 pm
Practically every single website I visit, (MSM included) has a 90% repugnant view of Israel and Jews in general.
Just saying..
#23 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on October 10, 2012 - 12:28 am
“Kalki”, a filthy character with a filthy mind and mouth! An avatar of some Hindu god who lost his way!
#24 by Kalki on October 10, 2012 - 1:19 am
Don’t censor this Mark….. I have taken screenshits!
You guys are lost with your love for the natives! Arabs in this case. This asshole obviously hates Indians because of the pro israeli shit. HEY – USA? SAUDI ARABIA? BAHRAIN? QATAR? EGYPt? You people are stupid and deserve to be treated like shit if this is the level of ignorance. Reactionary twits.
#25 by aj on October 10, 2012 - 1:37 am
BA, don’t think this Kalki’s a god. He keeps reincarnating every other posting. Something about destroying the goyims belief in God. Aren’t we supposed to get a pickle with that?
#26 by hp on October 10, 2012 - 2:43 am
Kalki is correct about the Abrahamic repercussions of what honestly amounts to not religious masses so much as irreligious masses. That said poor Muslims seem to be the only ones who live religiously at all as a way of life. So me Christians do but most don’t. Jews? Same with Jews.
As for the rude remarks about Kalki incarnation, etc., don’t you know how your Western heroes Pythagoras, Goethe, Schopenhauer, Jung, Thoreau, Yeats and many many more felt about Kalki? How about Kalidas, Tulsidas and Tagore and many many more?
Why don’t you respect the advice, observations and qualities of your very own Western leading Saints, poets and philosophers?
Kali yuga it is!
#27 by rasheeda on October 10, 2012 - 2:57 am
Kalki it doesn’t mean you are atheist you can diss people who believe in god. whether it be the god of the Jews muslims or Christians. I can’t stand people like u who disrespect our belief system. respect is earned btw, so stop trashing God and His followers.
#28 by ruby22-kate on October 10, 2012 - 3:11 am
“…As opposed to the situation in most Countries of the Middle East, Christians in Israel live safely, practice their religion freely and their number is increasing.”
Christians most definitely live in fear and are deterred from worshiping or freely practicing their religion. What about the routine spitting at Christians? What about the apartheid wall cutting people off from Bethlehem, and the nightmare situation in Jerusalem — what the hell is this guy talking about?
The numbers of Christians, Palestinian Christians fleeing from the entity is without doubt is increasing, and they cite the zionist Jewish oppression and abuse as the reason. The Pal. Christians were 20% of the population, now I’ve heard figures as low as 2%.
Perhaps the speaker is talking of the Russian Christians or USA Christians, but he is not talking about Palestinian Christians. Palestinian Christians face the same bigotry and hardship of life under indefinite military occupation that has endured since 1967 as the Muslim Palestinians.
Why is the Vatican distorting the truth? Why was there no support for Bishop Shomali? I am ashamed of the Vatican and the Vatican’s spokespeople for their malicious undermining of their bishop. Pop Ratzinger must have ordered them all to bend over for the Jewish overlords.
#29 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on October 10, 2012 - 4:23 am
#27 by rasheeda on October 10, 2012 – 2:57 am
“Kalki”
Don’t waste your time with this degenerate Hindu racist! His agenda is to provoke and sabotage!
Basheer
ed note from me, MG–
To Basheer, Kalki, and anyone else involved in this–
I have been too busy to read through everything and find out exactly what has happened in bringing this present brouhaha into existence, but let me say this–
I know both of you fairly well through both personal correpondence and your contributions here. I consider you not just colleagues but friends.
Basheer et al, I have never seen anything Kalki has said or intimated that could be called racist. By contrast I have found Kalki’s commentary on the Jewish issue to be both reasonable and fair.
Kalki, Basheer is a very passionate individual when it comes to both politics and religion, and oftentimes his passion is misunderstood by individuals who don’t know him as well as others do and take his comments out of context.
What I am telling both of you is to please take it outside if you insist on continuing this diversion. This is exactly the kind of thing our enemies love to see take place, as we are busy attacking each other instead of focusing on defeating them.
at the risk of angering BOTH of you, nevertheless I am going to end this thread here as far as TUT is concerned. Like I said, if you have a beef with each other, please sort it out somewhere else outside the prying eyes of ADL et al
mg
#30 by Kalki on October 10, 2012 - 11:02 am
My apologies for the rants. No I do not want to derail any discussion on these issues and I am guilty of getting into silly personal quarrels with others I do not agree with. Peace.
#31 by Anthony Clifton on October 10, 2012 - 12:00 pm
Revisit John 8:33 [No Khazars there]
and the reply to the “lawyer”…
was it Zakheim or Zelikow who said the talmud is not the Bible…
oh, and Ari Fleisher in reply to Helen Thomas’ question about the Palestinians…
“That’s different”…..sweet, eh ?
“love your neighbor”…treat others the way you would like to be treated is inconsistent with the narrative that oozes from the Talmud.
#32 by kelly on October 10, 2012 - 1:28 pm
You know Kalki, we are all at odds with so many things happening today..Especially the Jewish takeover that is happening faster than most realise….There is still not enough of us (yet) to stop these monsters in their tracks but thanks to Mark and this site, the numbers are growing..We all need each other right now..We are all of different religions, non religions etc but one thing we know for sure, we are not the enemy, Israel is…Banding together is the most important thing…Breaking that bond only hurts us..I don’t know anyone personally here but in the short time i’ve been a member of this site, i look forward to reading what you all have to say and i’m connecting from what each id has to say….I’m grateful to Mark and the others for having the courage to stand up for what is right….God bless all of you ♥
#33 by lolathecur on October 10, 2012 - 3:20 pm
Kelly, you just pointed out the entire reason that we all of different ideas and cultures are here . We do need to focus there or we are all screwed. We have all studied things almost obsessively in order to understand what is happening here and where and what its origins are. Someone I give much credit to once said ” Judaism Is nobodys friend” let us all be vigilant at this important period in what will be known one day as “history”. Peace to all
#34 by dachsielady on October 10, 2012 - 4:00 pm
“the Jewish takeover”
“Judaism Is nobodys friend”
“we are not the enemy, Israel is”
Please forgive my misuse or inconsitent use of the word “Jew” or forms of the word “Jew” in this email. I have gotten so much conflicting information about this and I still do not have it right, I am sure, but have no idea when is the correct time to use the word “Jew”. So just overlook my failings in that regard.
I really think this article about Bishop Shomali and Mark’s commentary and the members’ comments here are been good, at least for broadening my understanding of this general subject. I must admit, I still have a long way to go in really getting a clear understanding of all of this, and I am not sure where I can go to get clarity.
I want to be true to Jesus Christ, and I would like to be true the Church, which for me is the one, true, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church, the Catholic Church headquartered in Rome, Italy.
Mark Glenn says the “Jews” have been bad actors even throughout Old Testament times, so what Dr. E. Michael Jones writes and speaks about and his thesis that “the Jewish revolutionary spirit” began at the foot of the cross, and that this spirit comes and goes on a person and a group of people. Dr. Jones says there is no proven “DNA” or “racial” “Jew” but does seem to acknowledge a “Jewish ethnicity” (my phrase) and Dr. Robert Sungenis seems to acknowledge the “children of Israel” in the Old Testament were God the Father’s chosen people in those OT times but are no longer chosen. Dr. Sungenis does seem to aknowledge that the Jesus Christ and His Church had their origins in OT times with the children of Israel but he never explains that very well and seems to want to suppress that, or at least I have not found the article of his yet that covers that clearly. But it would be interesting to hear either Dr. Sungenis or Dr. Jones comment on Mark Glenn’s theory that these “Jews” were bad trouble on the earth from the beginning. The pagans were bad news in OT times but equally bad news were the “children of the Father” in those times. I really would like some clarity on that.
Some bad Luciferian or Satanic (I use the terms to mean the same thing) plaque has taken strong hold of the world and to me it would be a mortal sin of omission to not point out the pattern that I observe that it is a certain “people” who consistently show up with the pagans from the beginning of time creating the world’s troubles.
In other words, I really do not think we have fully identified the “enemy” well yet. Those who deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and that He is God are to me the enemy. That includes a whole lot more than those we would call “Jews” “Israel” whatever.
#35 by Naeem on October 10, 2012 - 5:20 pm
So kalki opposes the zionists BUT he opposes religion too, the very same thing the zionist hate either way his making them win. The whole purpose is to hate god and bow to shaytaan and you can for a short time but when your respite is over then im sure you will forever be in sorrow. One cannot look at the earth and think how is everything finely tuned i.e we breathe out carbon dioxide in which the plants breathe in and breathe out oxygen which we breathe in, water coming from the sky which germinate the seed and it grows then with the help of the photosynthesis it becomes a food source without thinking HOW ? if you do then you be a ungrateful toad
Fact is ppl have used religion to further their political gains but religion has shaped the modern world and lets look at the Bolsheviks a athiest bunch who murdered over a 100 million people and we have HUMANISTS today who worship these mass murderers as if their gods themselves. Your the typical athiest one who attacks anything that is of faith and then you demand respect
#36 by ruby22-kate on October 10, 2012 - 6:05 pm
#34 Dachsielady: ” Mark Glenn’s theory that these “Jews” were bad trouble on the earth from the beginning. The pagans were bad news in OT times but equally bad news were the “children of the Father” in those times. I really would like some clarity on that.”
Mark Glenn is not alone in this belief. I too was raised Catholic and went to parochial schools, we were told to ignore the old Testament, that after Jesus came the O.T. was null and void, that we worship a God of Love and not a jealous, wrathful and unpredictable God, as described in O.T.
But to verify M.G.’s words all you have to do is read the O.T. From Genesis we get the Adam & Eve story of banishment from the garden for eating forbidden fruit. We also have frateracide of Abel by Cain and it seems that the violence never ends. The O.T. God is described as jealous, wrathful and merciless unpredictability. The New Testament’s God is merciful and teaches us love.
In the story of Abraham we have God commanding the sacrifice of Isaac — today Abraham would be locked up either in prison or an insane asylum for proceeding until the angel intervenes.
I think the whole message of the O.T. is blind, unthinking obedience to those who claim to be spokespeople for God. The O.T. describes many wars, genocides, pillage,rape, incest and theft. Woman are routinely portrayed as inferior – there are no biblical stories that I’m aware of that have women with multiple husbands but in the story of Sodom & Gomorrah we have Lot’s daughters raping their father after getting him drunk. (IMO drunken men usually cannot maintain an erection).
Say I wrote a book of fiction that described how I had a message from heaven to take over New York city, in fact anywhere I or my descendants could travel from the Atlantic to the Mississippi and north to Canada and south to Florida.
Now imagine a nuclear devastation and the only remaining book was mine.
The people who survived are recovering and rebuilding for two thousand years and people come along claiming to be my descendants. Of course no records remain to validate the claim or not, but these folks are warlike and are terrorizing the people who’ve rebuilt the country.
Even after 2,000 years the majority of people, in the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, ‘ain’t gonna study war no more.’ They are peaceful, no military, and are easily driven into exile or persecuted and murdered by those self-proclaimed descendants. See the parallels to zionism?
Does that clear it up at all?
You should read the articles of Jonathan Cook, Mohammed Omer, Alison Weir, you’ll find other websites from their blog lists. They can open your eyes to the zionist power configuration, and tell the Iz/Pal issue from the Palestinian perspective. We in USA are almost never hear the Palestinian narrative while be overwhelmed by Jewish zionist propaganda.
#37 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on October 10, 2012 - 7:51 pm
#35 by Naeem on October 10, 2012 – 5:20 pm
“So kalki opposes the zionists BUT he opposes religion too,…”
Have you nothing better to do than give that Hindu lunatic and God and religion hater your attention?
Basheer
#38 by Pip Power on October 11, 2012 - 9:45 am
Hi,
I tried to send you a big file on Jesus in the Jewish Talmud, but you didn’t get it. If you want it send me an email. This is a powerful document and covers everything.
OK?
ed note from me, MG–the filters on WordPress are kinda twitchy and oftentimes things get thrown out as spam when they are not. You can try resending it.
#39 by Pip Power on October 11, 2012 - 9:48 am
Here is what #36 by ruby22-kate is looking for:
EZRA
&
THE BLOODLINE
Racism was invented
By the Jewish Priest Ezra!
Ezra & Hitler are in total agreement
“it was against the will of the Eternal Creator. . .Nations that make mongrels of their people or allow their people to be turned into mongrels sin against the Will of Eternal Providence.”
Mein Kampf, p. 186 . . . p.162
The Book of Ezra is the Mein Kampf of the Bible
In 587 B.C. Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. The town and the Temple were razed to the ground and the Jewish people were exiled to the land of their captors. But fifty years later Cyrus, King of Persia, conquered the conquerors and established his own rule in Babylon. He was well-disposed toward the Jewish people living there and issued an edict allowing them to return to their own country. But not everyone wanted to go.
Although the siege of Jerusalem had been brutal, once the people were settled in their land of exile, living conditions kept improving. Ultimately, they were given the opportunity to become contributing members of the Empire and encouraged to retain their own Jewish culture. By the time Cyrus came to power, the majority of Jewish people did not want to exchange a prosperous lifestyle for the uncertainty of returning to a country that had been lying in ruins for half a century. But they were quite generous in their financial and moral support of those who were willing to go back and resettle their homeland.
When the first group of exiles arrived back in Jerusalem, circa 537 B.C., they found things were even worse than expected. The countryside was desolate and rebuilding loomed as a monumental task. And other problems faced the returnees. They had come back ready to reclaim Jerusalem and institute their own agenda. But when they arrived they found that the ruins of the city were inhabited by the descendants of poor peasants who had hidden out in the hills during the Babylonian siege. They had escaped capture while the wealthy merchants, landowners and priests who had substantial lands and other holdings, had been rounded up and deported by their conquerors.
During the years of Exile, the peasants left behind had made a life for themselves that centered around Jerusalem. They built homes for their families and for many years had eked out a living in the barren countryside. And during those years, the peasant survivors of the southern kingdom of Judah had made common cause with those left alive after the takeover of the northern kingdom of Israel. [1] The bitter rivalry that had once divided the Jewish tribes had been healed by the misfortunes they suffered and by the need for mutual aid if any of them were going to survive.
But those who first returned from Babylonian Exile, under the leadership of the High Priest Jeshua, had nothing but contempt for those who had been left behind. They were considered ignorant; the dregs of society, because without the leadership of the exiled priests and scribes, they would not have properly fulfilled the religious rules and regulations that were supposed to govern daily life. Therefore, they were ritually unclean and were to be shunned. Of course, ritual impurity can be remedied over a period of time by observing every jot and title of the Law but this remedy was not applied to those who had been left behind. Their impurity stemmed from intermarriage with mixed-race Jews. They had mixed the pure blood line of Abraham through intermarriage with those of impure lineage and their offspring had been contaminated.
So, although the resident survivors around Jerusalem thanked God for the return of the Exiles and wanted to help them rebuild the Temple site, they were not allowed to do so. They presented themselves to Jeshua and other leaders saying
“We would like to build with you, for we seek your God as you do and we have sacrificed to him since the time of Esarhaddon” [2]
Their offer was refused, they were unworthy; unclean. They reacted to this bigotry by harassing the returnees as they undertook the reconstruction of the Temple.
But despite various problems, the altar was reestablished and dedicated to God by a massive slaughter of animals that provided a great feast for the people. In a total rejection of the oracles of the Latter Prophets, who condemned killing animals in the name of God, one hundred bulls, 200 sheep, 400 lambs and 12 goats were sacrificed and slaughtered on the altar site. [3]
In the generations that followed, the descendants of those who returned from exile married, raised families and centered their religious life around the altar at Jerusalem. And for those who married other pure-blooded Jews there were no problems. However, some of them were marrying those whose bloodlines had been tainted by intermarriage. The religious leaders were very disturbed by this trend, but were unable to do anything about it until a priest named Ezra arrived in Jerusalem.
Ezra was a scribe as well as a hereditary priest. As a scribe he was trained in the minutiae of religious law and was qualified to translate and interpret those laws. In Babylon he had been the equivalent of a minister for Jewish affairs at the Persian Court and he used that position to secure letters of authority from the king. He had himself sent to Jerusalem as a political and religious leader, empowered to collect money, appoint judges and punish with death, banishment, confiscation or imprisonment any Jew who did not obey the laws he expounded.
Armed with that power, Ezra arrived in Jerusalem almost a hundred years after the first returnees had come back from Babylon and lost no time in instituting a policy of ethnic cleansing. He, and other like-minded leaders, were determined to get rid of those half-breeds who were the offspring of several generations of unions between pure-blood Jews and the impure resident survivors.
In ancient Israel mixed marriages had been allowed, but eventually they came into disfavor. Foreign women were blamed when Jewish men failed to fulfill their religious obligations or fell into idolatrous worship. The reaction against such marriages was an attempt to avoid influences that might dilute or corrupt Judaism.
However, those foreigners who were willing to renounce their pagan worship and follow all the requirements of Jewish law and worship could be accepted into Judaism.
But Ezra introduced a new element into his ban on intermarriage. The issue was not whether or not a spouse was willing to worship the one God; beliefs did not matter. The issue was whether or not a person was a pure-blooded Jew. For the first time, one group of people viewed other groups as a contaminating influence – - a source of racial or ethnic impurity – - regardless of how they lived or what they believed.
Ezra began his purge with a lengthy speech-prayer that he gave in the Temple court-yard. For the benefit of God and the assembled people, he gave a synopsis of Israelite history and then told the Lord how angry He was going to be about what was taking place in the present. Because the chosen people had intermarried “with wicked people. . . You will be so angry that You will destroy us completely and let no one survive.”[4] Not surprisingly, the assembled men were terrified by the message that God would completely destroy them if they did not cast off their contaminated wives and children. And this time no one would escape; Abraham’s descendants would be wiped out.
This public speech-prayer, threatening the extermination of an entire people, is universally praised by religious spokesmen who echo the sentiments of the Inter-national Bible Commentary:
“Ezra’s prayer is one of the most moving of all the prayers which are recorded in Scripture.”[5]
Having established the threat of annihilation, Ezra took the next step in implementing his purge. He issued a proclamation demanding that all the Jewish people come to a meeting in Jerusalem. By now they were scattered about the countryside and under ordinary circumstances many would not have bothered to come. But this was not an ordinary situation; Ezra used the extraordinary powers given to him by the Persian King to insure full attendance.
“A proclamation was issued throughout Judah and Jerusalem for all the exiles to assemble in Jerusalem. Anyone who failed to appear within three days would forfeit all his property. . .and would himself be expelled from the assembly.”[6]
Under the impetus of that threat, all the Jewish males assembled in the Temple square. There they were given details of the purge that was about to take place. They were to turn in any members of their family who were tainted by non-Jewish blood. They were informed that committees would be set up to investigate all reports of the existence of such undesirables. There was no way to avoid detection. There was no escape.
“Ezra the priest selected men who were family heads, one from each family division and all of them designated by name. On the first day of the tenth month they sat down to investigate the cases and by the first day of the first month they finished dealing with all the men who had married foreign women.”[7]
It took three months for this systematic purge to identify all the undesirables.
Not only did Ezra demand that the foreign wives of Jewish men be cast off, he demanded that all the children of such marriages be sent away. His edict was multi-generational. Children, grandchildren and great grandchildren were to be cast off, never again to see their families. [8] And wives, who had been with their husbands only a few years, as well as those who had spent a lifetime with their mates, must also be sent away. No one whose blood was contaminated with non-Jewish blood could stay.
Of course, there was no place for most of them to go. In that day and time women, children, the frail and the elderly, had no way to sustain themselves. The homes from which they were banished were the only homes they had known. They were sent out into a hostile environment with no resources and few skills. For many of them, Ezra’s proclamation was a death sentence.
The fate of women and children without male protection was well-known among the Hebrew people. The Prophets had repeatedly spoken of God’s concern for the oppression they suffered at the hands of their own people and the oft-repeated Psalm 146, clearly told of the Lord’s special concern for them;
“(God) protects the strangers who live in our land and helps widows and orphans. . .he judges in favor of the oppressed.” [9]
Ezra’s threats of retribution forced the acceptance of his purge in spite of such demands for the care of the powerless from both the psalmist and the prophets. Unless the assembled men did what he demanded, they themselves would become outcasts; they would lose their property and be banished from their homes. Faced with such drastic consequences, it is not surprising that the Bible reports only four of the assembled men protested Ezra’s demands. [10]
In Ezra’s time there was no precedent for the kind of massive purge he wanted to institute and the men of Israel may not have been aware of the extent of the suffering he was about to unleash on so many people. But it is difficult to understand how Ezra’s policy of ethnic cleansing can continue to receive religious endorsement in a post-Holocaust world. Yet modern Christian scholars continue to endorse Ezra’s purge because the scribe who wrote the biblical account claimed that “God’s holy people had become contaminated” by marrying those whose bloodlines were not pure.”[11]
Consequently, modern commentators have turned the victims, who were banished from their homes into the villains. Ezra is applauded for his courage in demanding that the national and religious purity of his people be maintained and those who lost everything in the purge are seen as transgressors who had taken part in what the Evangelical Commentary calls “the reprehensible sin of intermarriage.” [12]
And a Catholic scholar notes that in Ezra’s “concern for racial purity” can be seen as a religious reason for the banishment of undesirable children and wives. Another scholarly note says
“if (Ezra’s) reforming measures seem severe, it is because his zeal was great, and the need to protect his community, urgent.” [13]
Because all the protagonists in the story of Ezra’s purge were male and because Bible scholars are usually male, some people of faith have hoped that with the inclusion of female exegetes a more comprehensive and compassionate understanding of the scriptures might emerge. Unfortunately, the publication of The IVP Women’s Bible Commentary has momentarily dashed those hopes. [14] Typical, is the comment regarding Ezra and his emphasis on the need for a pure lineage:
“(Ezra’s) radical emphasis on pure lineage. . .was timely and vital for the continuation of pure religion.”
The commentator goes on to claim that had he not instituted this ethnic cleansing, the Jewish people would have become extinct.
Jewish apologists, as well as their Christian counterparts, continue to insist that Ezra’s purge was an absolute necessity. Rabbi Bernard M. Caspar, Dean, University of Jerusalem, writes that
“the great problem which faced Ezra upon his arrival in Jerusalem was the danger of assimilation for the newly established community. During the period of the Babylonian exile. . .a small nucleus of original Israelites from the North of the country were now mixed with other (impure) colonists not only in blood but also in cultural standards.” [15]
This contemporary support for the divine right of a people to rid themselves of the culturally and ethnically undesirable is not limited to religious spokesmen. A best selling, 20th century author, supported Ezra’s concept, writing that
“The loss of racial purity will wreck inner happiness for ever. It degrades men for all time to come. And the physical and moral consequences can never be wiped out.”
He also said that the result of mixing a pure-blooded people with those who are mixed, always results in the degeneration of the pure-bred. And although he did not claim or affirm the biblical claim that intermarriage with undesirables would ultimately lead to the destruction of an entire people and their culture because
“it was against the will of the Eternal Creator. . .Nations that make mongrels of their people or allow their people to be turned into mongrels sin against the Will of Eternal Providence.” [16]
His book became just as popular as the Bible. By 1933 Mein Kampf was alternating with the Bible for the number one spot on Germany’s best seller list. In his book, Adolph Hitler did not introduce a new concept to the people of Germany; he built on the foundation of the Judeo-Christian acceptance of Ezra’s purge as a necessary and godly undertaking.
Although horrified by the Holocaust, traditional Christians and Jews continue to endorse the purge that was instituted by Ezra. And as long as they attribute that ancient, man-made reign of terror to God, Western civilization is threatened by a foundational belief that ethnic cleansing can be a godly undertaking, necessary for the survival of a nation. Unless it is repudiated, this potentially destructive belief, usually concealed beneath the surface of everyday life, will continue to erupt in terrible ways that cannot be predicted.
[1] Survivors of the Northern kingdom of Israel came to be called Samaritans. Their kingdom fell to the Assyrians in 722 B.C.
[2] Ezra: 4:2 JB
[3] Ezra 6:16, 17 JB
[4] Ezra 9:14 TEV
[5] IBC p. 495
[6] Ezra 10:7, 8 NIV
[7] Ezra 10:16, 17 NIV
[8] The policy instituted by Ezra was more severe and contradicted the Deuteronomic Law which said: “You shall not detest an Edomite… you shall not detest an Egyptian…The sons of the third generation who are born to them enter the assembly of the Lord.” Deuteronomy. 23:8
[9] Psalm 146 is the first of a third Hallel: Ps 146 – 150 (JB note p. 927
[10] Ezra 10:15 TEV
[11] Ezra 9:2 TEV
[12] Evangelical Commentary on the Bible, p. 295
[13] Jerusalem Bible, Old Testament, p. 495
[14] InterVarsity Press, 2002
[15] An introduction to Jewish Bible Commentary, Rabbi Bernard M. Caspar, Dean, The Hebrew University Jerusalem. Publ: Thomas Yoseloff, NY © 1960 World Jewish Congress.
[16] Mein Kampf, p. 186 . . . p.162
#40 by Chuck Radloff on November 3, 2012 - 12:16 am
Thank God for Bishop Shomali and his quest and courage for speaking the truth…I personally have observed in the Old City of Jerusalem the conduct of Jews, deliberately spitting on the doorstep of the “Upper Room” where our Catholic tradition states the Upper Room was the site of Pentecost Sunday when the Catholic Church was born. With no provocation I have witnessed Israeli soldiers repeatedly beating young Palestinains in Jerusalem.One year ago on this date Jews under the guise of “Jerusalem Knights” on sucessive Thursday evenings took over the Christain section of the Old City and mocked Christians on their own soil in the Old City…pure provocation.
We praise and bless Bishop Shomali…the TRUTH NEVER HURTS.
Chuck Radloff
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