The vote in the UN recognizing the Palestinian people–IN DEFIANCE OF JEWISH ‘TRUTH’.
Will Bibi make the world pay for this one?
Warrior for the truth Ken O’Keefe joins the discussion on this and other news items.
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#1 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on December 4, 2012 - 5:24 am
THE SAMSON OPTION!
How to Jewdestroy the World!
Bomb all recalcitrant Muslim nations back to the Dark Ages!
By Ghyslaine ROC
http://muhammad-ali-ben-marcus.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/samson-option-how-to-jewdestroy-world.html
I prefer talking to babies, to my cat and dog and even to my flower pot than to our youth and to adults who never grow and never learn who are addicted to the very stuff that is destroying the fabric of any civilised society.
Mark is right about his long experience about the matters of this world and I totally agree about those frustrated, traumatised and “very unhappy individuals” that do not bring much to either the discourse or to the action on the ground like Kenneth is doing.
For doing what I have been doing for decades, I had to pay a tremendous price. But, I have so much to love, to share in this world that I do not give a damn about peoples’ hallucinations and egocentricism which I encounter in my daily life.
Let me give you one example of how this world is rotten. While the Jews were murdering babies, innocent people in Palestine, my ‘friends’, relatives and others were enjoying life as if nothing was happening. NOT ONE MENTION OF PALESTINE!
One was even reporting on an hourly and a daily basis what he was eating, where he was going, who he was meeting, how happy he was enjoying his accumulated wealth and his success in this world, but I did not read a single word of compassion about the people who are suffering right next door!
As usual Mark is doing a great job. Of course, he would have made a great preacher, but who would have listened to him when people refuse to listen even to Jesus Christ? I’ll listen to the broadcast as soon as I have some more time. I listened to the first 30 minutes only.
Take care to you all!
Basheer Ahmad
P.S.
In a post on Islamic Intelligence, Maulana Imran N. Hosein, an International political analyst confirms that Apartheid Israel seeks the destruction of Nuclear Pakistan before unleashing its Antichrist into the world.
Tuesday, September 08, 2009
Video : The Anti-Christ : Massih Dajjal : The False Messiah is in Israel
http://islamic-intelligence.blogspot.com/2009/09/video-nti-christ-massih-dajjal-false.html
#2 by Mustafa Shaban on December 4, 2012 - 6:21 am
Amazing show as usual!
#3 by Mustafa Shaban on December 4, 2012 - 6:34 am
@Basheer: That was one awesome article! Thanks a million for the link!
Also the Sheikh Imran Hosein vidoe dusnt work!
#4 by SEARCHLIGHT on December 4, 2012 - 8:30 am
Well the word of God. descrives, the antichrist very well, but it won’t be known to humanity until JESUS CHRIST takes all belivers. put of the way, because what is STOPING THE ANTI-CHRIST IS THE BOCY OF BELIVERS, THAT THROUGH PRAYERS OF INTERSEPTION, KEEPS A BALANCE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL.
WE KNOW THAT IT WILL BE A HOMOSEXUAL JEW, BUT SINCE ZIONIST JEWS ARE BI-SEXUALS OR HOMOSEXUALS, IT WOULD BE IMPOSIBLE TO PIN HIM DOWN. specialy when we know . THE ANTI-CHRIST IS A DECIVER AND A LIER, WELL WE ALSO KNOW THAT THET IS PART OF THE ZIONIST DNA.
THAT IS WHY GOD IS SHORTING UP THE DAYS, FOR THE ELECTS SAKE, OTHERWISE THEY TOO COULD FALL INTO THE DECEPTION, AS WE AREADY KNOW HOW THE ZIONIST JEWS ARE DESTROYING THE SHEEP THAT IS NOT WILLING TO TRUST GOD LIKE THE DECIPLES DID ONCE JESUS LEFT PLANET EARTH. THE INDOCTRINATION PROVIDED BY THE WOLFS INSIDE THE TEMPLE, HAS MADE THEM DEPENDANT ON THEIR MAN WORD, INSTEAD OF THE GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRT.
BY MAKING THEM BELIVE THAT THEY WOULD BE IN REBELION IF THEY CHOSE NOT TO HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH THEIR CONGREGATION. CAN ANY BODY IMAGIN WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPEN IF THE DECIPLES OF CHRIST WOULD HAVE TOLD THE SAME LIES, TO THE FIRST CHRISTIANS THAT BELIVE IN CHRIST, BACK DURING THE FIRST CENTURY.
A TRUE BELIVER MIGHT HAVE GONE TO AN ORGANISED CONGREGATION, TO HEAR THE WORD INITIALY , BUT ONCE IT GETS BAPTISED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT WILL TRY TO GET THEM OUT OF THOSE SATANIC SYNAGOGES, BUT THE BABY CHRISTIAN GETS USED TO DRINKING SPIRITUAL MILK AND SINCE THE PREACHERS ARE NOT OF GOD, GOD CAN’T GIVE SPIRITUAL MEAT FROM THEIR MOUTHS.
SO YOU SEE OLD SAINTS THAT BECAUSE OF NOT LEAVING TDHE CONFORT OF TDHE CHURCH THEY WILL NEVER GROW SPIRITUALY STRONG, THAT WAS THE TEASON WHY JESUS CHRIST HAD TO GO BACK TO THE FATHER, HE WANTED THE DECIPLES TO GROW SPIRITUALY, THOUGH THE TRILES AND TRIBULATION SATAN THROWS AT THEM, AN HAVING TO LEARN THAT JESUS IS THERE TO PROTECT THEM BUT MOST OF ALL SO THAT THEY GET TO SEE THE HAND OF GOD AT WORK IN THEIR LIVES.
#5 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on December 4, 2012 - 2:43 pm
#3 by Mustafa Shaban on December 4, 2012 – 6:34 am
@Basheer: That was one awesome article! Thanks a million for the link!
I am glad you like it. I now hope it will be useful for practical purposes. I’ll check Sheikh Imran Hossen’s link this evening.
Jazakum Allahu Khayran
Basheer
#6 by Ingrid B on December 4, 2012 - 3:50 pm
@Basheer: heard earlier today, that Pakistan, and the US, are about to climb, once more, into the same filthy bed. and so, round, and round, we go..
I agree with Mark, and Keith, not getting my hopes up over Palestines apparent little victory, whether or not, it is good for Palestine, depends, as Kieth pointed out, on the leadership, and whether or not the wishes of the Palestinian people are taken into consideration..
re. the UK government, it is diabolical, as are the governments of the US, Canada, France, Germany, and Australia, and all the above, have corrupted media, like the BBC..
Heard just this morning, that the US government is pointing a finger at the Syrian goverment, on a suspicion that chemical weapons have been used against their precious, and expensive rebels. This is unbelievable hypocrisy, considering the types of weaponry the US is supplying, to the Syrian opposition, and it`s liitle parasitic attack dog, which are used against defenceless Syrian, and Palestinian civilians..
#7 by Ingrid B on December 4, 2012 - 3:55 pm
I agree with Mark, and Keith, not getting my hopes up over Palestines apparent little victory, whether or not, it is good for Palestine, depends, as Kieth pointed out, on the leadership, and whether or not the wishes of the Palestinian people are taken into consideration..
re. the UK government, it is diabolical, as are the governments of the US, Canada, France, Germany, and Australia, and all the above, have corrupted media, like the BBC..
Heard just this morning, that the US government is pointing a finger at the Syrian goverment, on a suspicion that chemical weapons have been used against their precious, and expensive rebels. This is unbelievable hypocrisy, considering the types of weaponry the US is supplying, to the Syrian opposition, and it`s liitle parasitic attack dog, which are used against defenceless Syrian, and Palestinian civilians..
@Basheer: heard earlier today, that Pakistan, and the US, are about to climb, once more, into the same filthy bed. and so, round, and round, we go.
#8 by Ingrid B on December 4, 2012 - 3:56 pm
I agree with Mark, and Keith, not getting my hopes up over Palestines apparent little victory, whether or not, it is good for Palestine, depends, as Kieth pointed out, on the leadership, and whether or not the wishes of the Palestinian people are taken into consideration..
re. the UK government, it is diabolical, as are the governments of the US, Canada, France, Germany, and Australia, and all the above, have corrupted media, like the BBC..
Heard just this morning, that the US government is pointing a finger at the Syrian goverment, on a suspicion that chemical weapons have been used against their precious, and expensive rebels. This is unbelievable hypocrisy, considering the types of weaponry the US is supplying, to the Syrian opposition, and it`s liitle parasitic attack dog, which are used against defenceless Syrian, and Palestinian civilians..
#9 by Ingrid B on December 4, 2012 - 3:56 pm
having a lot of trouble posting a comment here..
ed note from me, MG–Ing, for whatever reason, a LOT of comments that are not spam are winding up in the spam folder. I have to go through and retrieve them constantly.
Don’t know what to make of it, other than a twitchy system.
#10 by Mustafa Shaban on December 4, 2012 - 7:34 pm
@Ingrid B: I want to address Pakistan. See the issue is that , at the moment our military and ISI has its hands full with many issues. While our current government is Pro US and was brought into power by the Americans. In the next elections things may stay the same.
But there is a huge possibility that Imran Khan gets elected, and he is no stooge of the US, it will be amazing. Or the Army and Judiciary form a caretaker setup for three years that would be awesome too.
Also there are people outside the system trying to get people away from the curopt system like Zaid Hamid and Dr Tahir Ul Qadri.
Basically Pakistan both in real space and cyber space is bursting with activity.
#11 by Ingrid B on December 4, 2012 - 7:54 pm
@MG, sorry about the repeats, wasn`t sure if the problem was at your end, or if it was my over-loaded PC..
#12 by Ingrid B on December 4, 2012 - 7:59 pm
@Mustafa Shaban, as with other countries, who`se leadership represents foreign interests, Pakistan needs leadership which works in the interests of the people, I hope the Pakistani people find such a leader, but, that said, he/she, needs to be protected..
#13 by wad on December 4, 2012 - 8:33 pm
The Iranian caller…
His point about The Arab Spring and Islamic Awakening being related “brands” was a good ones.
His opinion on Morsi though is completely incorrect. Morsi is a trojan horse and no good can come of him. That being said, kicking him out with no leadership to take over would be even worse…
#14 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on December 4, 2012 - 9:30 pm
#6 by Ingrid B on December 4, 2012 – 3:50 pm
@Basheer: heard earlier today, that Pakistan, and the US, are about to climb, once more, into the same filthy bed. and so, round, and round, we go..
THANKS, LOVE! THIS IS TRUE!
It has always been in my principle to respect my elders and in particular Islamic scholars of great repute and I am ready to concede that Shaykh ul Islam Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri is one such figure.
But, the very second I saw the headlines that Shaykh ul Islam Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri had released a 600 page Fatwa (Scholarly Opinion based on the Holy Qur’ân, the Sunnah and Islamic Jurisprudence), condemning “TERRORISM” and “SUICIDE BOMBING”, I said:
The bloody bastard!
In order to confirm my very strong suspicion, I checked who the main mainstream promoters of the Fatwa were, and guess what I immediately found:
1. The Jewish Tribe of Dan (Denmark)
2. The BBC – Dominic Casciani
3. The Huffington Post – Kemal Argon
I needed to go no further. First, the bastard was insinuating that there was such a thing as “terrorism” and “suicide bombing” that concerned Muslims. If I was given to write about those two issues, I would write 1,000 pages or more on WESTERN TERRORISM AND MAD-LIKE-HELL BOMBINGS, and conclude my book or encyclopaedia with ONE LINE on “suicide bombing” carried out in desperation by driven mad and heavily traumatised victims of Western, Russian, Indian and Chinese bombings and massacre of Muslims, but these unfortunate human beings are systematically used by the western fascist regimes and their controlled racist media as scapegoats.
I do not dispute the religious contents of that Fatwa and I am not at all concerned about it because I reject it as all Muslims who have been educated in Islam, orally or in writing, know perfectly that Islam condemns all acts of terrorism and committing suicide is haraam (forbidden by God Himself!). So, the only purpose of that 600 page Fatwa serves only one purpose: to confirm to the world that there is such a thing as ISLAMIC TERRORISM and ISLAMIC SUICIDE BOMBINGS in order to please Tahir ul Qadri’s masters !
If any Muslim has still not understood this, I am not prepared to debate the matter at all, here or anywhere.
So, my dear Mustafa Shaban, I am glad you reminded the readers that you are Pakistani, and you must know by now about my views on the “Pakistanis” and their puppet governments ever since they obtained that useless toy the West calls independence! That country spent its entire young life as a whore going to bed in turn with almost every military power (Israel, China, America, the USSR, the UK, etc.), and cannot be regarded as an entity that respects Islam at the State level and its inhabitants have been so held back in matters of education that we can hardly call it a ‘developing’ country despite its possession of nuclear weapons that she is so shy to use even when attacked!
Now, regarding Imran Khan, it is totally immature to say that one individual can ever make any difference in Pakistani political matters. What Pakistan needs is a GOOD DICTATORSHIP (because the successive Pakistani regimes did not give a damn about Islam) or she is dead!
We cannot afford to make such huge mistakes at the foundation level. So, we cannot play the cards Imran Khan (although he is known to be honest) or that of Tahir ul Qadri at all! Tahir ul Qadri even told a BIG LIE when he said there was such a monster as a Muslim or Islamic “Al-Qaeda”! As for that BIG MOUTH Zaid Hamid, we might as well forget about him; he is an empty barrel! Is there any hope that they all can change? Not likely! I am not asking anybody’s opinions about this matter, but if they have facts, I am ready and willing to listen!
Regards to all
Basheer Ahmad
#15 by Chris on December 5, 2012 - 2:10 am
Great show Mark and great callers. And I could listen to Ken O’Keefe talk all day. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again that if I was half the man that Ken is I’d be very pleased with myself.
#16 by Mustafa Shaban on December 5, 2012 - 6:18 am
@Basheer: Brother I agree with some aspects of the things you said while I disagree with others.
1. Dr Tahir Ul Qadri may be naive but he is not a western puppet. Terrorism and Suicide bombing are not Islamic and like you said have roots and practices in other groups and that the Jewish Zionists lie about it being solely related to Islam
HOWEVER THERE IS NOW SUCH THING AS ISLAMIC TERRORISM . IT STARTED 1400 YEARS AGO, THEY ARE CALLED KHAWARIJ . They are Islamic terrorists who keep popping up. There are people who terrorise and sucide bomb in the name of Islam. We cannot ignore this. This is why Dr . Tahir Ul Qadri is awesome! He is unique and we need him!
2. Whether a sincere condemnation of terrorism or insincere, Jewish groups and other groups are going to praise any attempts to condemn terrorism whether its you, me , Zaid Hamid or anyone. Just because Jewish groups supported his Fatwa dusnt make him thier puppet.
I am not saying that some of the things that Dr Tahir Ul Qadri says is perfect or not objectionable but we shouldnt judge intentions and beleive me his positives go way beyond negatives. And yes he should point out State terrorism and such
3. After Quid E Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Liaqat Ali Khan , Pakistan became subservient to foreign powers. This is so unfortunate. I hate it as much as you do and it saddens me. But Pakistan does have potential.
And remmeber Israeli leaders from Ben Gurion in 1967 – Avigdor Lieberman in Febraury 2011 throughout, have been warning about the dangers posed by Pakistan , both with and without a nuclear program.
I just hope that it reaches its full potential , and I feel its going to happen soon. And Pakistan getting independance was an achievement and important, even though it was lost in a way soon after. We have to be realistic but we also have to have hope and push forward.
3. Pakistan needs good leadership. Hugo Chavez is a democrat and look what he did for his nation. Same wiht Ahmadinejad who is also elected. Its not about dictatorship or democracy, its about good leadership, regardless how you get it. Imran Khan is very intellegent and he can do it. Iam not saying Pakistan will solve its problem 100% if Imran Khan gets elected but there is a very good chance. No onee knows the future. IK is like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, I just hope he can be like Ahmadinejad or Chavez if he gets elected, I am hoping.
4. We have had disagreements in the past, you think Zaid Hamid is intellegent yet more of a ”day dreamer” than an analyst. I disagree with you in this regard and I do not think his optimism is misplaced.
I really enjoy discussing these issues , some things we can discuss and some things we may just have to agree to disagree.
You are a realist and realism is what we need but we also need optimism and hope and we need to really do our best to change things.
#17 by Adalberto Erazo Jr. on December 5, 2012 - 11:24 pm
@ Basheer and Mustafa
My apologies for disturbing your very fine and educational discussion but do you know what December 6 is? This is a very dark day for Muslims especially in India for it is the anniversary of the Babri Masjid demolition(occured in 1992) in which RAW and Mossad were heavily involved in. This demolition was planned months in advance with help from the IsraHellis and you had all the Hindutva groups such as RSS,VHP,BJP, etc. Altal Bihari Vajpayee who later became Prime minister, along with the leader of Shiv Sena, Bal Thackeray, were the driving force behind this terrorism.
Speaking of Bal Thackeray, I thought you two would like to know that this bastard who founded Shiv Sena in 1966 is dead and in Hell. He died last month on November 17, 2012.Yes, the self proclaimed “King of Mumbai” who was involved in sending his Hindutvadi thugs to terrorize Muslims in that city massacring thousands is now six feet under.
The King is dead!!!!! God Damn the King!!!!!
Now Bal Thackeray can join the likes of Indira Gandhi, Maharaja Hari Singh, Jawaharlal Nerhu, and Veer Savarkar in shoveling coal in Satan’s Kingdom forever since these Brahmins feel it was below them to do manual labor when they were alive.
I think this is something you can both agree on.
#18 by Frank on December 6, 2012 - 12:24 am
It would be a good idea to check out Emperor Constantine, who was descended from Caesar, and Alexander the Great and Joseph of Arimathea, a Pharisee and member of the Sanhedrin.
#19 by Mustafa Shaban on December 6, 2012 - 1:50 am
@adalberto: Thanks for the info! I heard about the death of Bal Thackery and I did hear that it is the anniversy of the demolition of the Babri Masjid! Yes we can agree on these things.
#20 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on December 6, 2012 - 1:07 pm
• #16 by Mustafa Shaban on December 5, 2012 – 6:18 am
@Basheer: Brother I agree with some aspects of the things you said while I disagree with others.
Dear very misguided Brother Mustafa Shaban
1. Dr Tahir Ul Qadri is not a western puppet? I just proved it, my friend! Can’t you read?
I do not even know to which Sect you belong because this might explain a few things! What you are doing here is very dangerous and you are propagating outrageous lies and using the language improperly!
I do not want to hear or read about “terrorism” and “suicide bombing” because I am not a Western puppet who would promote terms fabricated by the West to vilify and demonise Muslims. Maybe you should listen to Dr Michael Hoffman about repeating words thrown at us by the enemy.
I am not here to criticise the manner in which people under attack, Muslims or not, being raped, tortured, persecuted, starved, hunted down and put in cages like animals, kept in concentration and death camps, DEFEND THEMSELVES. I would spend my energy instead in criticising and condemning the attackers whoever and wherever they are. They are the terrorists and people like Dr Qadri (he is too well educated to be that naïve!) is proving his treachery by issuing a 600 page Fatwah with the enemy’s complicity against the victims and not against the real perpetrators of terrorism!
The Jews started these terrorising tactics and suicide bombings already when Palestine was illegally occupied by the British barbarians, and later the Tamil Tigers, I think!
“THERE IS NOW SUCH THING AS ISLAMIC TERRORISM ”
I do not have to disagree with you about that bold statement you made because this is bullshit! Instead of providing your evidence, you quote the “KHAWARIJ”!
I am sorry, my Brother, what you are saying and repeating is a BIG LIE! By using the expression “Islamic terrorists” as if this is true, you cannot see what you are implying by that – that Islam does in fact teach terrorism! In the same way there cannot be any Christian mass murder of innocent people!
By parroting such nonsense as “There are people who terrorise and suicide bomb in the name of Islam”, you are just promoting Western Propaganda! You should be ashamed of yourself when you level accusations against some Muslims that YOU DO NOT NAME and against whom you provide NO EVIDENCE AT ALL!
You are doing exactly like the Jews by using modern terms for events of the past. The Jew uses the term Jew when this did not even exist two thousand years ago!
Can you identify a single Muslims who is authentically recorded (with undisputed evidence) to have said that he was committing any evil deed in the name of Islam? Nobody in his right mind (except mercenaries paid to do just that!) would commit any act of terror or commit suicide while being responsible of a family! USE YOUR BRAIN, DAMN IT!
Just because Jewish groups supported his Fatwa doesn’t make him their puppet.”
You understood nothing of what I wrote!
Accusing me of judging “intentions”? Where did you get this one? In short you are a bloody fool if you support Dr Qadri’s Fatwah, and a dangerous fool! I would not like to have you in my army except to send you on a suicide mission!
Why do you call Muhammad Ali Jinnah “Qaid e Azam”? He did nothing for Pakistan and he was a traitor to Islam! The British created Pakistan on their own terms! Muslims fought for the Khilaafah, what happened? There was not a single well educated Muslim to lead the new British Colony, so if I remember well it was members of the Ahmadi (Mirzai, Qadiani) Sect who convinced Jinnah who was living here in London to go back and lead the Muslim sheep! It seems that Jinnah was not even a practicing Muslim!
Pakistan has potentials? Tuvalu has potentials! I do not give a damn about what you “feel”! Pakistan will soon “reach its full potentials”? What does this shit mean? Are you trying to sell hope to us based on nothing except your “feeling”?
Now, do not mix up Hugo Chavez or Ahmedinejad with those Pakistani nobodies!
You still didn’t get it that ONE man alone can do nothing! You are again talking of “election”! The FIS went to the ballot box, what happened to them in Algeria?
So, please, do not talk about politics when you know and understand almost nothing! All you talk about is “hope” and “optimism” based on nothing! In a way you agree upon nothing that I wrote, but I do not give a damn whether you agree with me or not. All I expect from all readers is to check the facts for themselves and make their own opinions.
I do not even recall that “We have had disagreements in the past”, but as I see, you learned nothing and keep parroting the same lies.
“I really enjoy discussing these issues ,…”
You are not discussing these issues, but just promoting your false understanding of people and politics, and even of Islam! Brother Adalberto has been too kind to speak of our “very fine and educational discussion”!
Shame on you, Mustafa Shaban! Next time, I will not waste my time with you! Your cajoling words do not work on me, my dear!
Basheer Ahmad
P.S. Readers of “The Ugly Truth” deserve more serious stuff than this!
#21 by NAeem on December 6, 2012 - 4:45 pm
bafs- your too hard on the brother, reality is Pakistan sold out a long long time ago, the nationalist musharraf sold out afghansitan to the zionists but in return kept pakistan safe as soon as he was toppled zardari looked the other way while pakistan is being destroyed and all i see is pakistani channels blaming the TTP and ppl fell for it their is no such thing as Islamic terrorists buts its pakistan way of coping and going through the current destabilization. Almost all political parties the PPP, AQM, ML are sellouts their is no way out for pakistan atm they need a miracle.
adalberto- Regarding the babri masjid demolition showed hindutvas hatred for their muslim brothers it was a unprovoked massive aggression that will never be forgotten. Regarding the masjid it was built by the first sultan of the Mughals BABUR the grandson of Tamerlane(TIMUR) and Genghis khan you see even Islam civilised the mongols.
The History channel does a good expose on the Mughals they created one of the most richest most powerful empires in human history and united the whole subcontinent and gave civilization to all its people, something the Hinudtva’s hate and will never acknowledge so thats why they destroy history or claim it for themselves.
#22 by Adalberto Erazo Jr. on December 6, 2012 - 6:06 pm
I have to agree with Basheer on this one. I believe that Dr. Tahir Ul Qadri fell into a trap by issuing that Fatwa. By doing that, he is saying that Muslims did 9/11,7/7,26/11, Madrid train station bombings, 1993 WTC bombing,Lockerbie Bombing, and all the other previous false flags in which we all know western intelligence agencies, along with Mossad were behind. The real terrorists are in the West and in IsraHell, NOT Muslims who have been victims of their terrorism.
Remember what Basheer said;
“In order to confirm my very strong suspicion, I checked who the main mainstream promoters of the Fatwa were, and guess what I immediately found:”
1. The Jewish Tribe of Dan (Denmark)
2. The BBC – Dominic Casciani
3. The Huffington Post – Kemal Argon
This is a red flag right here. Where did he issue this 600 page Fatwa? He did it in London of all places. A western country which is waging War on Islam in this hoax of so called “War on terror” which is terrorizing and killing millions of Muslims around the world. By saying this, he is saying that a fictitious organization called “Al Qaeda” exists and that Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind of this fictitious organization when we all know that he was framed and died of kidney failure in December of 2001.
“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”
–British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook who died while hiking in the Scottish Highlands
I’ll also include IsraHell and the jews behind this in that qoute above.
Remember, when the western countries, the jews, and the JMSM are cheering you on, then you know you are doing something wrong and Dr. Tahir Ul Qadri definitely did something wrong.
I believe brother Basheer’s concerns are well founded.
#23 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on December 6, 2012 - 7:01 pm
#21 by NAeem on December 6, 2012 – 4:45 pm
“bafs- your too hard on the brother, …”
When you start with nonsense like this I do not even read any further!
This has nothing to do personally with Brother Mustafa, but with his lies, or if you prefer his false or wrong statements!!
Now, do not repeat the same mistakes “Ingrid” and “annebeck” made when I replied to one “bigcree” or something like that. Mustafa is man enough to reply because I addressed him personally!
Sometimes many tend to forget that the truth can also be UGLY!
Basheer
#24 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on December 6, 2012 - 7:21 pm
#22 by Adalberto Erazo Jr. on December 6, 2012 – 6:06 pm
“I have to agree with Basheer on this one. I believe that Dr. Tahir Ul Qadri fell into a trap by issuing that Fatwa.”
I do my best to be nice to Mark’s guests, Freedom fighters and others, and as soon as the clash is inevitable with some I always walk away (but never before I have made public a piece of my mind) because as much as I am a nice guy I can also be a devil and this will not help.
If I were to accept everything others say, I would not be myself!
I am glad that you see sense in what I have personally witnessed. It is an insult to my intelligence to see any person writing a 600 page condemnation on “Terrorism” and “suicide bombing” imputed to Muslims and Islam while ignoring the real and well documented perpetrators of terror and indiscriminate bombing – the greatest purveyors of violence on earth and in history.
I did not have time to reply to your observations on my last post because I have too much on my mind. The piece “Harb-Megiddo” is ready. I just need to send it to Mark for posting, but my little angels have taken most of my time lately making me build two houses for their dolls with strict instructions how to build them.
We must also not forget that we have a life to live and a responsibility towards our loved ones.
Take care, my friend, and it’s always a pleasure to read your comments. I have heard about that Baal Thackeray Bolshevik’s death! I watched an interview with him by a woman named Bedi (a Parsi most probably). She was enamoured with that fascist and mass murderer!
I have been paying attention to your line of reasoning, my friend, (not all the time) and I hope that when I am gone people with your insight will take over and not let yourself be fooled by what you see.
Thanks again.
Basheer
#25 by Mustafa Shaban on December 6, 2012 - 8:05 pm
@Basher: Woah slow down brother! Ok , to an extent I know agree with you on Islamic terrorism and Dr Tahir Ul Qadri. You have made a very good point.
1. I belong to the Shia sect, but I am not sectarian niether do I show bias towards any sect whether my own or anyone else. I respect Brelvi , Deobandi, Shia, Sunni, Sufi and everyone else.
2. Your 120% correct about the terms west uses to vilify Muslims, but I am not using them in the same way. We Muslims ARE BEING DEMONIZED. We didnt do 9/11 or anything. Your 100% rite.
But Brother please understand , there are extremist Muslims. That is an undeniable FACT! Imam Ali (A.S) fought the Khawarij! Prophet Muhammad SAWW warned the Ummah of the Khawarij and thier alliance with the West till the time of Dajjal. So this is reality.
The Khawarij and Nasibis are people who hate Ahle Bait (A.S) . They are also Takfiris who target Muslims and place all the verses relating to hypocrites and Kuffar on Muslims. They have appeared through Ummayyada, abbasids and till today . They exist and are very real!
I am not discussing Western propoganda. This is history!
3. I am actually in agreement with the red flags that you and Adalberto have named. In the international context he completely messed up.
But there are Pakistanis, Libyans, Saudis and other Muslims in small yet significant numbers, backed knowingly or unkowingly by CIA/Mossad/RAW, and they SINCERELY BELEIVE in Suicide bombing and killing other Muslims. There are no White Americans, Israelis in Pakistan wearing suicide belts, There are Muslims so called being employed to destabalize Iraq, Syria and Pakistan , this is a fact!!!!!!!!!
And stating facts does not play into ”Western propoganda” which is garbage, they blame the majority of Muslims which is wrong. This is a complete different subject. But misusuing Islam is a reality and you Mr Basheer would be evading the facts if you deny it.
There is tons of evidence about Khawarij, the hadith relating to them and thier activities in last 1400 years! THIS IS NOT A FAIRY TALE AND YOU SHOULD BE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT!
AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GARBAGE WESTERN PROPOGANDA AGAINST ISLAM! WHICH IS A DIFFERENT SUBJECT! BUT FACTS ARE FACTS!
Sheikh Imran Hosein speaks about them and he has mentioned this as has Zaid Hamid and every great Islamic scholar you can even think of ! So its not a fantasy.
4. Agian I never said religion teaches terrorism, it dusnt! But a very small minority of Christian Zionists , and few people misuse the Bible and Quran to brainwash certain people.
5. Again I mention, your resposne shows you did not understand what I said and you just reacted! This is the problem.
6. Again, mercenaries paid to fight using religion do that and so do a few brainwashed people. British, Americans and Israelis DONT BLOW THEMSELVES UP IN MOSQUES. Muslims have been caught. Again for the third time, this is differnet from Western propoganda against Muslims.
7. Your view of Jinnah is completely incorrect , he was the student of Allama Iqbal and he convinced Jinnah to comeback and Jinnah was a practising Muslim. But ofcurse we have already had this debate and I will not engage in it any longer. Pakistan was created with the blessing of Prophet Muhammad SAWW and not the British! But we already agreed to disagree on this!
8. You have no right to tell me what I can say or cannot say! Your a very passionate part of the Ugly Truth , but you have to be more accepting of different views, you cant be a angry reactionary like White Nationalists and explode in anger when someone has a different view.
9. MY hope for Pakistan is not mislplaced. There are many Pakistanis and Non Pakistanis who feel just like you do about Pakistan, but the same is for me. There are many Pakistanis including the best analysts who agree with me that Pakistan can play a big role. So lets again agree to disagree.
10. Again your attitude is terrible. Brother such a dismissive attitude does not work. I dont mean to criticze but there are many like me on The Ugly Truth who have different views than you but get very put off when you go off on an angry rampage like this! We have to work together on TUT!
11. This is my last post! Lets leave it here as it doesnt go anywhere but my next point is still important.
12. The Ugly Truth deals with Jewish Question and related issues and not inter Muslim affiars! So I apologize if I am taking too much space with this debate. Overall we Muslims need to discuss these issues with ourselves because we need to promote understanding and dialogue.
13. Mark Glenn , if its alrite with you if we do discuss some of these issues ? I just dont want to make other people read things that dont concern them , so I am not sure on these discussions.
#26 by Mustafa Shaban on December 6, 2012 - 8:09 pm
sorry last commetn. I agree there is no such things as Al Qaeda, its just a fiction created by West! But there are a very very small number of sectarian Muslims, who do kill other Muslims and Wahhabi and Khawarij need a response and I am not talkng about the Fatwa regarding terrorism which I agree now was misplaced but about his other lectures, and thats something different.
Lastly, Basheer I take great offence to yur approach, first you call me misguided, then you accuse me of being a liar then you accuse me of promoting a false misunderstanding. You cant just attack people who disagree with you.
#27 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on December 6, 2012 - 9:03 pm
#25 by Mustafa Shaban on December 6, 2012 – 8:05 pm
@Basher: Woah slow down brother!
1. I belong to the Shia sect, but I am not sectarian…!
I smelled a mouse, and it comes out it is a rat! I told you, my Brother, that you are not using the language properly!
I belong to the Shia SECT, but I am not SECTARIAN! I Belong to Marxism, but I am not a Marxist or something like that!
I accept NO SECTS AT ALL, whether Muslim or Christian! By the way, SECTS ARE HARAAM IN ISLAM!
I did not read the rest of your reply for obvious reasons! Many like to hide behind false identities and want to teach others!
I told you that we need to be more serious when we deal with serious matters! You should have said you were a Muslim, alhamdulillah, because there is no such thing as Shia in Islam!
Having said that, let me tell you all what I think of the “Shia”, for example, in Iran. They proved to be a lot better under Imaam Khomeini, and now under Ahmedinejad, than all the so-called SUNNIS! There is no “Sunni” either in Islam!
When my Iraqi friend Ahmad visited me, we used to pray together. One day we went to pray at a local masjid. It was only then that I realised it was a “Shia” Masjid and it looked like the type of Masjid Muslims used to have at the time of the Prophet, peace and blessings upon him. I was so happy to see that the women and young girls were praying behind us without any purdah like the stupid “Sunnis” do! I prayed there like everybody else!
So, don’t anybody come up and say I do not like “Shias”!
Well, my Brother, I believe we have to stop this nonsense and get on with out work: FIGHTING THE COMMON ENEMY TOGETHER!
Basheer Ahmad
#28 by Ingrid B on December 7, 2012 - 4:18 am
Boy! am I glad you guys made up.. Just want to say, in support of Mustafa Shaban, I too have hope for Pakistan, given the right sort of leadership..
#29 by Mustafa Shaban on December 7, 2012 - 7:25 am
@Ingrid B: Thanks! Human beings have unlimited potential! Anything is possible . Both negative and positive. Great Nations call fall in short amount of time and fallen Nations can rise. Always see the possibilites. A poor African Nation can rise in a decade! A Great Nation can also fall in a very short amount of time. So in that sense all countries and Nations have great potentials, as do human biengs in general!
@Basheer: Now thats nonsense! No such thing as Shia ro Sunni! Now thats nonsense! So are you saying that all Muslims beleive in the Imamat of the 12 Imams (A.S)??? Or are you saying that even Shias follow the Four Maddhabs? Or are you saying that there are Muslims in Iraq and Iran who do Tarawih? Now your really screwing the facts!
There are sects! Protestant , Catholic, Lutheran, Sunni and Shia, and Sufi! Are you telling me these differences dont exist? What about Wahhabies?
So if Mark Glenn syas he is Catholic, dus that make him a sectarian Christian? What if Mark Dankof says he is Lutheran? Does that make him sectairan?
Johnathan Azizah calls himself Muslim and Shia, dus that make him sectarian?
NO IT DUS NOT! I am a Muslim and beleive in the solidarity of all Muslims Sunni and Shia. And also every human being has the rite to choose a school of thought be it among Christian Protestants or Catholics or Muslim in regards to Sunni or Shia!
Sorry your comment didnt make sense@!
#30 by Mustafa Shaban on December 7, 2012 - 7:28 am
@Basheer : Yu just accused me of spreading nonsense and sectarianism and ”not talking properly” ! You got it wrong , its you who isnt making sense, and your not addressing my arguments proves that u dont have an argument and are just lashing out!
But I do agree that we have to fight the common enemy together! WHILE MAINTAINING DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS AND VIEWS. YOU CAN’T BE A BIGOT AND JUST EXPECT EVERYONE TO AGREE WITH YOU. DISAGREEMENT IS ALSO NECESSARY.