The entire ‘debate’ on the matter of Sandy Hook has–unfortunately but, sadly, predictably–devolved into an irrational feeding frenzy. People who were once friends are now clawing and biting each other in a ridiculous waste of time that in the end only benefits the enemy.
Therefore we are going to close this discussion and move on to more productive matters that will actually bear fruit, so anyone out there still ‘feeling the need’ to engage in some kind of similar feeding frenzy is invited to visit one of the other websites that cater to this kind of nonsense. As far as those involved with TUT are concerned, there are bigger fish to fry.
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#1 by tsunami on January 18, 2013 - 5:35 am
I wonder why I bothered to take the time to figure this out for you guys.
ed note–HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Be patient with us, we are a little slow at times…
#2 by Amy Aremia on January 18, 2013 - 6:01 am
Good, should be ended…every time there is a shooting the cry is loud and long for “gun control’- wanting to punish the law -abiding citizens for the few who should be pnished more severely…
#3 by bigcree1Shadowhawk on January 18, 2013 - 6:29 am
Yeah no kidding! while we frenetically ripping each others heads literally, ‘they’ are busy draining the inlet. We had best get our focus back on ‘them’ where it belongs. The facts will soon emerge and then we can all enjoy it together instead of battling each other over trivial matters & less!
#4 by Abdurrahman on January 18, 2013 - 8:39 am
Hey Mark when you throw the chump meat into the shark infested water did it never cross your mind there just might be a ‘feeding frenzy’? If I was your senior I would give you a stern look and say ‘Bing! What’s da matter wid you’?
#5 by Dian Razak on January 18, 2013 - 10:09 am
There are biggest fish to fry INDEED TUT! The only mantra in living a life is to move on hehehe so i heard. Peace to you!
#6 by Drizza on January 18, 2013 - 1:49 pm
MG I agree with you on everything and what TUT had to say about this event but it seems like it isnt changing the situation at all. This Israel did “everything” is starting to become a problem because like you I also want to see one shred of evidence of Mossad involvement. Yes there are a lot of unanswered questions about the event but to blow it up over theories with no hard evidence makes us look bad. The sheep will come to call us the “blame jews for everything crowd” and also ignore mossad involvement in 9/11 and all the previous events Israel did on the USA. This is just the animal we are dealing with and it takes critical thinking and analysis to fight through all this Jewish propaganda and all these bones they throw at us to distract us. Anyways TUT is doing a great job at this and this is by far the only sane website that you can almost put 100% trust in. You guys are on it and when you present information you back it up by a lot of facts. When you come up with theories you dont over do it to discredit the movement. I also believe this is the only site that is bringing Christians and Muslims together rightfully instead of focusing on our differences to tear down this Jewish system of usury and control of the gentiles. I applaud you warriors you guys are a great example for anyone new coming into this movement and I recommend that they stay here at this network to get all their information.
#7 by Blake on January 18, 2013 - 4:57 pm
Agreed
#8 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on January 18, 2013 - 5:05 pm
I saw this coming with all those big mouths posing as experts on every aspect of this sordid “Affair” and on each and every bit of “news” posted here when Reverend Mark Dankof was discussing and revealing very serious and more important stuff (for adults!)!
BAFS
#9 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on January 18, 2013 - 5:10 pm
#32 by Jerzy Ulicki-Rek on January 18, 2013 – 6:54 am
“And they ask me to participate in this farce?
NO BLOODY WAY:)”
Good old chap
I woke up to this reality already in my teens when I was at College in th early seventies. It was easier for me to understand that big farce because I was born under British imperialism and colonialism, French racism and cultural terrorism.
Evidence: I never belonged to any religious or political party, never voted in my entire life and has always been a rebel. This means I clashed with most sheeple for half a century and it is not nearly to end! And some believe they can play games with me and win when most woke up only a few years or a decade ago!
The other old chap Basheer
Sovereign Freeman-on-the-land
Servant of God alone and of no man or government
P.S. AS COMMENTS ARE CLOSED (THANK GOD!) FOR THE YOU KNOW WHAT AFFAIR, I AM POSTING THIS HERE AS THIS CONCERNS VOTING.
#10 by Ingrid B on January 18, 2013 - 5:11 pm
yes, MG, you have been proven right on many occasions.. you are our anchor in troubled waters..
#11 by persnipoles on January 18, 2013 - 5:42 pm
Taking the chance the below is still kinda Germain: more from “Investigation 101″ , partly a vocabulary lesson I gleaned from Fetzer –guessing it’s close to what you’d hear from him in his old Phil. of Sci class. ‘scuse a crappy grasp of latin…what is the plural of ‘explanans’?
The best explanation (explanans: “that which explains”) is the one that best accounts for the complete data set: The one that would most plausibly have caused the whole data set, that is, the entire set of ‘explanandums’ (“that which must be explained”), had it been true. ~~”So you take an explanans as cause and the evidence as it’s effect… and when the evidence has ‘settled’ down you pick the best explanans.”
The explanans IS(ARE) a guess(es), and I think that’s important to notice. There seem to be people who think of science as something like ‘algebra.’ Like somehow there are magic steps to follow that spit the right conclusion onto your lap. If that were the case scientists would already be machines. There might really be ‘algebra’ to do along the way, but guess & check is the game. …and there’s such a thing as ‘publishing too early.’ One can get attatched to one’s pet explanans.
There may be an infinitude of possible explanans for a given exlanandum, so there’s a problem of narrowing the set of them for consideration. Best to start with ‘educated guesses,’ then. Fetzer also mentioned something like a ‘naive Occam’s Razor,’ sorta like this: the simplest explanans probably is the best, provided it actually explains all the data. So obviously, there’s also a problem with ‘simplistic’ explanans.
I take it what’s usually meant by a ‘question,’ as in “I just have questions,” or “those are all legitimate questions” is the identification of one explanandum. People’s skill (talent, training, self-training, and experience) for asking questions = for identifying items that require explanation (explanandums)
probably varies, and might only be one part of a complete skill set for an investigator. E.g., another skill might be eliminating or prioritizing explanans.
E.g., Question: why did Dr. H. Wayne Carver seem weird? Explanandum: HWC seemed weird. Of course that ‘must be explained.’ Possible explanans:
#1. You would too if they’d gotten to you and forced you into a press conference establishing a fiction supporting their gun grabbing plot.
#2. You would too if you’d just seen 26 shooting victims.
#3. You’d have to be weird to be a pathologist. Or, regardless, it’s just his personality.
#4. He’d had a long night.
#5. He’s a robot; he’s designed that way.
#6. He wasn’t so weird; edited crappy low res video can do that to people.
I’ll go ahead and out myself as favoring #s 3, 4, & 6, i.e. I don’t think his weirdness was a clue to anything at all about the event. I even half thought he got stupid questions. So there are explanans to this explanandum (as framed) that may be irrelevant to getting at what-really-happened. And since ‘the conspiricists’ seemed to think his performance was reeallly significant…I’ll admit to having become ‘guarded’ about ideas from that ‘side’ of that story.
I’ll rule out #5 with some prejudice –just one of the infinitude of possibilities, and, if it were true, I give up. But any of the others could be taken as cause for his ‘weirdness,’ none are necessarily true so far, not all contradict any of the others, none are the only possible explanans for perceived weirdness, and they all have a chance of remaining consistent with ALL the data as it emerges (unless there’s already something ruling one out…).
There are a ton of guesses, potentially, to keep track of and to continue thinking-up as ‘facts’ come in. There’d be some discipline involved in even noticing an explanans to rule in/out as some fact came in.
Many people would prefer to wait for the inflow of data to taper off (then might lose interest), many also would rather have an Answer-Key-Elf choose the “real” explanation for them. And what could possibly shake their faith in The-Answer-Key-Elves…?
The stereotype of a “Conspiracy Addict” is that he’ll almost involuntarily pick an explanans that titillates him and heroically rationalize it to his grave. They’re definitely around with varying pet themes; one I met seemed to think GW Bush was a plot against “women’s rights,” (especially abortion). But there’s also a type, we all know…thinks himself something like an ~’anti-conspiricist,’ who prefers the explanans that least excites his nerves, or whatever; with the fewest consequences (further thoughts?), maybe(?)…the one that preserves his world as a ‘simple’ place… Some of those aren’t just self-styled ‘skeptics,’ they’ll actively screw with a ‘conspiricist,’
The lumping ya’ll mentioned is partly about activating this latter type… …dear lord..Sandy Hook…could it be it has summoned…conjured… ….The Night of the Living GWoT-Sucker?
#12 by Carlos on January 18, 2013 - 5:48 pm
I agree with Drizza. I think its a mistake to assume Mossad involvement since there is no direct proof so far. However, if the Sandy Hook incident was staged (hypothetically), to implement gun restrictions or simply to sell guns or what ever reason, if it was staged, who would that order come from if not the satanic Jew. The media spun the label of “conspiracy theory” on this pretty quick without even presenting evidence. Name calling is a tactic of defense. The reason that they are in defence mode, they know they have nothing. Just look at the tape of the coroner’s interview, if you think he is a professional medical examiner, Mark Glenn… I have some beach-front property in Phoenix Arizona to sell you.
#13 by Steven on January 18, 2013 - 9:18 pm
Given the nature of the American government and the Israeli government and their fellow travellers it is absolutely no mistake to assume Mossad or government involvement and investigate it and also examine all the possible clues and possibilities. Are you all afraid that you might find something that requires that governments be overthrown? Sticking your head in the sand and believing the lone nut theory is not the moral thing to do. The prime objectives of the enemy is to disarm the public to facilitate mass robbery and mass culling of the population and to achieve that they need a justification to violate the laws further to achieve the goals of the elites. That being total world government, agenda 21, population reduction and chipping the population. This is difficult to achieve if people can fight back. Therefore 20 children and 6 to 8 teachers were sacrificed.
The powers that be and their allies muddied the waters with contradictory accounts of what happened and 2 suspects were apprehended and no more is mentioned of them. There is too much secrecy and BS for this not to be a black op or false flag event. Add in the fact of the gun control agenda and the almost instant legislation proposals shortly after the massacre and you have a situation that has to be more than a simple murder suicide. If they would do it to the non jews in the middle east, american presidents, Gerald Bull, the crew of the USS Liberty and the people of New York city on 911 doing it to 20 children and 6 to 8 teachers to disarm the american public is no problem for the powers that be. Clandestinely create the problem to provoke a reaction and then legislate a solution. That is what those criminals do. Deal with it!
#14 by bostonblah on January 18, 2013 - 9:52 pm
obviously the interview on press tv was taken too far, and i dont trust duffstein and that whole operation,VT ,save dr sabrosky is suspect to me,
the idea of mossad death squads is a not the 1st conclusion i would jump to, the motive presented in the harris press tv interview is ridiculous ,but it doesnt mean i am buying this story
there are just too many things wrong here
maybe this is a domestic operation and jews are certainly involved ,not necessarily israel per se
the nurse said that she knew nancy lanza ,she said she was a great teacher and everyone loved her at the school and that she worked there for 15 years,
now the media says she never was a teacher there ,and this nurse will not make a statement about her prior very specific statement to the contrary of what the media is now telling us
they also reported the principal gave a statement ,but that is impossible because now the say she was dead before anyone arrived
not one of the parents are crying or look like they are grieving,and they all are talking about gun control,how convenient
if my child died even of natural causes,even not being a 6 or 7 yo ,even not right before xmas (or chanaka ,sine they are a jews mostly ) ,never mind a tragic shooting, i would not be #1 giving any press interviews in the next couple of days ,if ever, i would be more concerned with family and making arrangements
and #2 if someone were to give an interview, would they really spend time talking about gun control
and golda meier like the supposed dead chosenites mother mrs pozner?
would they be smiling like all the parents were and not crying at all? its not just one parent or 2 its all the ones we have seen
these people are not convincing and im not buying any of it
it was barely a month on and the parents have already founded some pro gun control organization, this is highly suspect
would you really have time to organize a pro gun control political organization ,meet with the president if your child was just murdered?
also memorial pages were set up the day of the shooting, the day after the shooting and even before the shooting took place, even if you can discredit the ones set up prior to the shooting
you still have so called parents setting up memorial websites and facebook pages ,as well as donation sites , if your kid was just murdered would the 1st thing on your mind be, oh hey let me make a site to collect money ,or even to set up a memorial site ,before the funeral or wake , the blood isnt even dry and the parents are taking time to make web sites for memorials and to collect money , something stinks here,big time
i mean i know alot of them are jews and they like the sheckles, but seriously, come on, how dumb do they think we are?
why do we always see jews everytime we turn on the tv? why are they always at the center on these things?
robbie parker, mrs pozner, gene rosen
all jews and all appear to be actors,
gene rosen seems to show more emotion than any of the parents, he is an obvious actor,
who goes on spanish tv and gives their statements in spanish? WTF
sorry that is a new one by me i have NEVER seen that before, a jew giving statements in english to english tv stations ,then giving statements in spanish to spanish tv stations
why would he not give the statement in english and expect them to translate it?
#15 by Amy Aremia on January 19, 2013 - 2:57 am
More gun control laws will only punish the law-abiding citizens…Make the punishment more severe for those who do the shooting…also punish those who let their guns be used.