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#1 by annebeck58 on February 12, 2013 - 5:26 pm
This is something we all should share. Until and unless all Christians finally get what their true relationship is with these people, this world is going to remain a dark place. I would love to get an honest response from a Zionist-Jew on this one (but know it would never be forthcoming.)
The line will be, “it’s just one guy and he’s a nut” (but we know better.) It’s USUAL.
#2 by annebeck58 on February 12, 2013 - 5:28 pm
BTW: I would dare ANY of them to walk down the street in America wearing this shirt. It would never happen.
#4 by restinpieces on February 12, 2013 - 8:57 pm
Did you expect anything less from a Jew?
#5 by annebeck58 on February 12, 2013 - 9:54 pm
Absolutely, Darwin.
And I’m the evil person on this forum, as well as other places in America, for not believing what some others do?
It would be amusing if not so tragic.
(Come out, come out….; hahaha! That’s not gonna happen, though.)
#6 by mothman777 on February 12, 2013 - 10:56 pm
Lobotomize and castrate the bastards. And that is not being racist or violent. That is to prevent violence and racist hatred.
#7 by mothman777 on February 12, 2013 - 10:56 pm
Oh, and I didn’t mean the Christians.
#8 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on February 13, 2013 - 1:03 am
THE JEW WHO SAYS KILL ALL CHRISTIANS NOW AFTER US “CHRISTIANS” OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN GAVE HIM ALL THE MONEY AND WEAPONS HIS TERRORIST ENTITY HAS DEMANDED AND RECEIVED FROM THEM AND THE OTHERS!
AMEN!
#9 by annebeck58 on February 13, 2013 - 3:33 am
#7, Mothman, The Christian Zionists already seem to have been lobotomized in some way. Otherwise, why would they jump aboard for this fake-Israel? They don’t even know their own bible.
#10 by Robert Pickle on February 13, 2013 - 9:41 am
Why would apostate murdering Judeo-Christianity or Christian zionist, which in no wise are of Christ Jesus, stop their support of their sister whore? Their father is the Murderer from the beginning. Does God bless Amaraka? Don’t hold your breath.
#11 by mothman777 on February 13, 2013 - 7:57 pm
@ #9 by annebeck58
Agreed
And they should all wonder why on Earth they should have to accept a teacher prophesied as coming from within a religion that says “Even the best of Gentiles should all be killed”, and then hoping that he will be somehow miraculously transformed into their saviour rather than their bringer of death.
But for the demonic Judaic ‘religion’ they would never have even heard of the ridiculous concept of needing to have a ‘saviour’, a saviour that would save them from a torture of burning in eternal flames in hell that he himself and his ‘Father’ would be administrating to any of them that refused to be his bitches.
That in itself is compelling evidence of Christianity being a demonic black magic cult initiated by the early Jews themselves, that threatens all Gentiles into submission, or facing insanely sadistic consequences if they refuse to submit to ‘Jesus’.
Jesus is in fact, a person lacking any genuine historicity, the Christian Jesus being a cunning literary invention of the Jews to give Gentiles the ideas of a saviour to save them from a non-existent hell that they did not need saving from in the first place, in a religion that on the surface would appear to oppose the Jews, whilst in truth that same religion of Christianity serves to thoroughly familiarize all Gentiles conned into adopting it with various Judaic notions, in such a manner as to render them totally submissive to the Jews. The Jews use this Christian religion that they have invented to hypnotize the Gentiles with ‘forgive seventy times seven’, ‘turn the other cheek’, give up all your money, oh yes, perfect for the Jews to control them all.
Read ‘The Diegesis’ by Reverend Taylor, 1829, to see an excellent explanation of how the literary figure of Jesus was fraudulently invented.
And the Jews play a nice little game of convincing Christians that Jesus is the best way to avoid exploitation by the Jews, by including a few little tales in their Talmud, that the Christian Jesus really is nothing to do with them, and how they hate him, so as to stop the Christians from working it out that they have all been had by a giant con-trip.
As leading Zionist Theodor Herzl said; “We will lead every revolution against us”, (such as the Christian ‘revolution’), and their Kol Nidre prayer allows them to manipulate the gentiles by many layers of deceit and subterfuge.
British Commander Lord Cornwallis said to Washington in 1781 that the US, though apparently independent from British rule after the revolution, would in fact secretly still be a part of the Judaic British Empire, under the British royal family, with all religions in the US secretly to be manipulated over the next 200 years to serve none other than the Jews and the Judaic British Empire, headed by the British royal family.
The British Queen Elizabeth of course, is head of the protestant Church of England, a typical Jewish ploy.
You may recall how the Queen visited a Church of England native Indian Children’s school in Canada around 1970, and took ten little children ‘for a walk’, and she and her husband, Prince Philip, never brought those children back to the school, or accounted in any way as to their whereabouts after that.
Attempts have been made to get the Queen to stand trial for murder, but that will never happen unfortunately, and those children will have died a terrible death in some horrific Jewish black magic blood-letting ritual to steal their life force.
I have immense documentation of such cases of human sacrifices by Jews over many centuries, repeatedly validated by courts of law. That is the real reason that the Jews were repeatedly thrown out of many countries, for their parasitic blood sucking rituals that involved the murders of a great many children, and these still go on today, as the Jews have no God to maintain them, so steal life force form Gentiles in order to survive, stealing energy in other ways too, by becoming famous music stars, porno stars, actors , politicians etc, so that they can draw loving energy off their victims continuously to nourish their Godless souls. That is the essence of black magic.
Up till the 1970′s the death rate of all native Indian children attending such ‘schools’ was 50%, with a great many of even the survivors documented as having suffering excruciatingly painful forms of sexual torture.
We can see blatant hypnosis and manipulation of Gentiles today, in the instance of the 70 million or so American Zionist Christian ‘fundamentalists’, who support the continued wars by American troops on behalf of Israel, which maintains one of the most aggressive spying operations on the USA of all other nations in the world.
And of course, the using of American resources to develop the atomic bomb which was then given by Jewish spies, straight to Stalin and to Israel, which then attacked the USS Liberty, and did 9/11, with no military response whatsoever from America, proves that as you say, they are brain dead.
It must be the 90,000 ppm fluoride in the dried instant tea powder that the Americans use, or the 900 ppm in the dried egg powder they use, and these will be used in the armed forces especially, as you can’t keep chickens in the desert, or on aircraft carriers, so mental and physical compliance of lobotomized troops is thoroughly assured.
The American president trusts and loves his troops so much, that for the first time ever, the US Marine Corps was forced to march in a parade in front of crypto-Jew President Barack Obama with the bolts removed from their rifles, just in case one of them had actually woken up and realized where they were.
Does the Jewish dominated government of the USA really love it’s Christian slaves, when it blatantly lobotomizes them with utterly staggering amounts of fluoride in their food?
From as early as AD 125, and perhaps even earlier, there exist transcripts of the words of early Christian saints threatening agonizing torture in the eternal flames of hell, intended to be quite a literal and not merely a metaphorical burning.
If only the Christians delved a little deeper into Talmudic scripture, they would see that when the Jewish messiah comes (that they think is Y’shua, or Jesus), then the Jewish people will collectively have all the Gentiles for slaves, confirming the words of Torah-loving Sephardic Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, that Gentiles are only born to serve the Jews as slaves, and for no other purpose
The Jewish scriptures further state that then, after a period of slavery, all Gentiles will be exterminated from the Earth and their souls sent to dwell in hell, under the Angel Duma.
Of course, huge numbers of full time paid sayanim disinformation experts, trained by the Mossad, comb the internet constantly for any words criticizing Israel or the Judaic belief system, and any words exposing their pseudo-spiritual terrorist crime cult are denounced as having been taken merely from invented hate literature, supposedly written by the Klu Klux Klan, or by Muslim ‘extremists’ or ‘neo-Nazis’.
But of course, the Jewish scriptures have been studied already, many centuries ago, and commented on, by figures such as St John Chrysostom, and Martin Luther, who also exposed and denounced the Jewish ‘scriptures’ for the demonic hatred contained in them, as they are nothing more than terrorist instruction manuals in truth, instructing in financial terrorism, psychological terrorism, psychic terrorism, and the terrorism of physical warfare against the rest of the entire world.
Jewish scripture teaches that all Gentile souls are no more than a kind of excrement of Satan, the dark side of Yahweh, that was left over after the creation process, from the dark, feminine, hellish, three lower spheres of the tree of life mentioned in Kabbalah literature.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]. … from the King James Bible Online (KJV Bible)
The Jews believe that all Gentile souls are non-living, pure evil, being eternally guilty of all sin and all instances of it as soon as they came into existence, even before birth in this world, also that the Gentiles are the sole source of all sin in this world, the eternal reservoir of it, infecting Jews with a disease that is not the fault of the Jews at all.
This ‘disease’ of sin, which the Jews then cleanse themselves from by employing black magic techniques such as Kapparot, where all the sin that they have been ‘infected’ by is wiped off onto a chicken, or in some cases, a human child, so that all the negative karma of the Jew can be paid for by the suffering of another soul, instead of themselves.
The Jews believe that only when all the ‘evil’ and ‘Satanic’ Gentiles are removed from the entire planet, then the Jews will at last have their sinless paradise on this planet, that they have been working on for for 4,000 years.
Jews however, are held as being eternally sinless, and free from all propensity to sin, their will and actions being totally divine as the will and actions of God Himself, the Jews collectively being God Himself, according to their self-deluded beliefs..
Many peoples survived the great flood, and not just on any Noah’s Ark, so not every race or people is descended from the ancient Israelites. Look into this and you will find histories of peoples around the world that have their own survival stories, using a variety of different tactics not involving any ark, so the Judaic religion has no right to hold exclusive control over the rest of us as having come from Cain or whatever.
Most people on this Earth are nothing to do with the Judaic belief system from the very start, the Judaic belief being a demonic religion invented after the beginning of this fallen age of Kali Yuga, which began 5,000 years ago, by atheists who wished to form an occult-based collective and be their own ‘God’.
Lord Krishna states that all souls without exception are all made from the same quality of substance as Himself, and that all souls eventually, without any exception, belong back with Him, no matter how many millions of incarnations it may take for those souls to lose infatuation with this lower dimension, to desire once more to dwell again in the spiritual world, their true eternal homeland, until the next time they wish to explore new pleasures outside the spiritual world, as they sometimes do in the span of eternity, expressing their eternal free will.
Vedic literature, the Srimad Bhagavatam, states that dynasties of kings existed on this planet as long ago even as hundreds of millions of years ago, and ancient worldwide cultures that enjoyed relationships with Krishna existed back then.
#12 by mothman777 on February 13, 2013 - 9:08 pm
More on how the Christians are being made fools of by the Jews and their frequently-altered Christian Bible:
‘MISSIONARIES They do not know what they are doing’
Hugh Fogelman
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/missionaries_they%20do%20not%20know.html
#13 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on February 13, 2013 - 10:37 pm
#11 by mothman777 on February 13, 2013 – 7:57 pm
“That in itself is compelling evidence of Christianity being a demonic black magic cult initiated by the early Jews themselves …”
Hey Lepidoptera, where did you learn this big lie?
And Hinduism is obviously not although “Hindus” have been sacrificing to their “millions” of Gods including blood sacrifice for thousands of years!
“Jesus is in fact, a person lacking any genuine historicity, the Christian Jesus being a cunning literary invention of the Jews…”
The issue is about the murder of Christians by the illegal and Jewish (and Communist neo-Darwinist) barbaric occupying forces and not about the historicity of Jesus or not.
It is an act of sheer cowardice to hide behind the Arthropodic phylum and tell lies or attack other people’s religions while promoting a certain brand of archaic and non universal religion.
Who knows? The Jews who have been mass murdering innocent people around the globe with their Christian acolytes (in Judaism, Talmudism and Zionism) for centuries may well be re-incarnations of Ancient “Hindus” who created mischief on planet earth!
There are “Hindus” who have been behaving like those same Jews by mass murdering Kashmiri Muslims and others for now over half a century and stealing their land!
You better not attack other belief systems when you do not seem to know anything about a Moral Value System based on faith – whether it is itself based on mythology or not. The Greeks who wrote the “New Testament” did not borrow the concept of a Saviour from the Israelites; so do not promote lies or try to teach to others what you yourself have no knowledge of!
BAFS
#14 by annebeck58 on February 14, 2013 - 1:23 am
Very interesting information, there. I’ll have to research it and get back with you.
Though I have studied the bible (front to back and more-so) and even began University at a bible-college, I have always questioned whether there was a Jesus (as in Emmanuel), too. That’s the thing; I really did try to believe all of what I was taught and i studied, but never could.
Since then, I’ve had some experiences that cause me to believe that there was a good reason for my not trusting what I’d been told and read. I don’t like to get too far into it, particularly on forums where people from all different faiths congregate, as I don’t set-out to offend anyone. And if I wanted to offend people (particularly those I appreciate for other reasons), I would bring up what I think about religion and even god(s) more often.
I don’t see the point in hurting others’ feelings, though. So I generally keep my private opinions on that to myself. It is only when someone assumes I am Jewish or Christian or of any other religion that I speak up and let them know I am an atheist. And to me, being an atheist only means I do believe there’s no god (and I don’t see a reason for religion, of course.) I am not what most would call a, “militant atheist”, as I am not out to change anyone’s beliefs or opinions on that. As I told another person, here, I am not recruting for “my side”.
Like I said, when it comes to this, I am definitely a live and let-live sort. Why cause problems where none exist?
Anyway, I’ll check out what you posted; seems very interesting and (partly) in line with my own beliefs.
#15 by mothman777 on February 14, 2013 - 2:43 am
Firstly, you are grossly ignorant and a complete hypocrite with a loud mouth.
Burning anyone alive, even including little children who were not Christians at the time of their deaths, for all eternity, is an act of black magic and sheer sadism and cowardice.
Centuries ago, members of all pagan faiths, witches, shamans, followers of Woden and Thor and other religions were literally burned alive all over Europe, as prescribed in the Bible, and the quote for that is included further in my comment.
The Christian Crusaders recorded riding knee-deep in blood of the slaughtered Muslims when they slaughtered them in their Mosques, that had sunken floors in them to enable that, and the Crusaders are recorded as having experienced great joy at that.
Read the following about the cannibalism and other forms of madness, sadism, and debauchery practiced by the ‘Crusaders’;
THE CRUSADES: SO MUCH FOR CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS By Dr. Riccardo Privitera
http://rprivitera.newsvine.com/_news/2010/12/20/5682153-the-crusades-so-much-for-christian-soldiers
You have no room to criticize Hindus, especially with the modern crusades of the demonic Christian armies attacking the Muslim nations today.
The UN official war death total in Iraq, even years ago, was 4.4 million dead, from both sanctions and military action affecting both civilians and armed forces.
And countless thousands more now die today from cancer and birth defects caused by the heavily radioactive depleted uranium weapons used by the Christian American and other NATO forces under what is, ultimately, Jewish command.
I believe in Vaishnava philosophy, and no practice of blood sacrifice, ritual or otherwise, exists today, or within the history of my particular faith.
Secondly, people who practiced my faith 500 years ago actually converted some Muslims to the Vaishnava path, including a government minister, and there was never any bloodshed between followers of the Chaitanyite Vaishnava path and those Muslims at all, and there never has been since.
Thirdly, ‘Hinduism’ is a very loose term that covers many different religions existing within a huge area within India, and is not just one ‘religion’.
Christians talk with hypocrisy of ‘forgive 70 times seven’, and then condemn others for all eternity in a flash of mindless and heartless hatred to unthinkable agony in eternal flames.
Actually, the Christians who have threatened me with eternal flames, quite literally, even during the most polite conversation over the years, have never even had any offence committed by me against them to forgive me for, so they have not even forgiven me 70 times 7 for anything at all, and just went right for the jugular, because they are absolute psychos who have completely lost all their sanity.
I have met many Christians who have told me that that is where I am undoubtedly going, simply for not becoming a ‘Christian’, even though I have been extremely pleasant towards them, which is totally unnecessary and mindlessly sadistic of the Christians.
I no longer view Christianity as any form of genuine spiritual path, after receiving so many causeless and mindless threats, but see Christianity rather as an acute mental illness induced by other insane people.
Real spirituality is respecting the eternality of every other soul in infinity and eternity, even though you don’t necessarily know them all, or get along with some of them right now, because in the fullness of time, even in a hundred million years of incarnations on various planets in various species, they will resolve whatever misunderstanding that they had within themselves at some point in the future and return to their original eternal spiritual home.
Real spirituality is allowing for the possibility of infinitely varied forms of expression of each individual soul, with free choice, as long as they do not do wrongful harm to others, with the understanding that all will eventually find their own way back home.
There is no need for any eternal hell, and those who propound that erroneous view are dangerously violent and sadistic maniacs. I will not use softer words, because the violence that they propose is trillions of trillions of times nastier than any possible slight and uncomfortable feeling that may be felt as a result of those words of mine, and those words are intended as a wake up call and not as any punishment. At least after reading my words you will not be burned alive for ever with no possibility of ever escaping such vile torture.
I do not believe in the existence of eternal hell, and what type of sick evil being would want to administer such terrible torture to any soul repeatedly without ever stopping for all eternity? The same God that you say you love?
What kind of sick person are you? I bet you want those ‘loving’ hands all over you whilst He is torturing all those people in Hell, right, because He tortures them constantly right? Burning all those little kids alive too, every part of their bodies too, unspeakably sick, but He must be doing it right? So He must be torturing people at the same time as He is loving you eh? Twisted or what?
Have you got the moral value system and courage enough to do that Christian? No, you do not have, so you choose to dispose of all other souls who do not agree with your petty little gangster rules to be burned alive forever, just like flushing other people away forever like turds down a toilet bowl, because you have not got the guts to consider that all souls, not just Christian souls, are eternal beings with feelings, that can feel pain, and yes, at some point, even become heavenly beings once again, but allowing for that possibility would mess with your pride too much wouldn’t it, you coward?
Could you stand being burned alive even for one day you coward? You would be screaming after just one second, yet you are OK with others having to go through that, because that is just their problem after all, and not yours, right?
Tell me, why is your ‘Moral Value System’ superior to mine, when you can not only conceive of, but be capable of willing on others, the eternal torture of unceasing burning? You are quite mad, but in your conceited hypocrisy you cannot see how far gone you are.
Here are a few examples of the bloodthirsty and sadistic insanity of the early Christian ‘saints’ who in truth all belonged in top security prison mental hospitals. You are not a civilized or cultured person, you are a violent and uncultured maniac in real spiritual terms;
“307 AD Lactantius “[T]he sacred writings inform us in what manner the wicked are to undergo punishment. For because they have committed sins in their bodies, they will again be clothed with flesh, that they may make atonement in their bodies; and yet it will not be that flesh with which God clothed man, like this our earthly body, but indestructible, and abiding for ever, that it may be able to hold out against tortures and everlasting fire, the nature of which is different from this fire of ours, which we use for the necessary purposes of life, and which is extinguished unless it be sustained by the fuel of some material. But that divine fire always lives by itself, and flourishes without any nourishment . . . The same divine fire, therefore, with one and the same force and power, will both burn the wicked and will form them again, and will replace as much as it shall consume of their bodies, and will supply itself with eternal nourishment . . . Thus, without any wasting of bodies, which regain their substance, it will only burn and affect them with a sense of pain. But when He shall have judged the righteous, He will also try them with fire” (Divine Institutes 7:21).”
“150 AD Justin Martyr: For among us the prince of the wicked spirits is called the serpent, and Satan, and the devil, as you can learn by looking into our writings. And that he would be sent into the fire with his host, and the men who follow him, and would be punished for an endless duration, Christ foretold. (The First Apology of Justin, Chap. XXVIII)”
SIrenaeus
The penalty increases for those who do not believe the Word of God and despise his coming.. . . It is not merely temporal, but eternal. To whomsoever the Lord shall say, “Depart from me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire,” they will be damned forever (Against Heresies 4:28:2 [A.D. 189]).
Hippolytus
Standing before [Christ's] judgment, all of them, men, angels, and demons, crying out in one voice, shall say: “Just is your judgment!” And the righteousness of that cry will be apparent in the recompense made to each. To those who have done well, everlasting enjoyment shall be given; while to the lovers of evil shall be given eternal punishment. The unquenchable and unending fire awaits these latter, and a certain fiery worm which does not die and which does not waste the body but continually bursts forth from the body with unceasing pain. No sleep will give them rest; no night will soothe them; no death will deliver them from punishment; no appeal of interceding friends will profit them (Against the Greeks 3 [A.D. 212]).
Minucius Felix
I am not ignorant of the fact that many, in the consciousness of what they deserve, would rather hope than actually believe that there is nothing for them after death. They would prefer to be annihilated rather than be restored for punishment. . . . Nor is there measure nor end to these torments. That clever fire burns the limbs and restores them, wears them away and yet sustains them, just as fiery thunderbolts strike bodies but do not consume them (Octavius 34:12-5:3 [A.D. 226]).
Cyprian of Carthage
An ever-burning Gehenna and the punishment of being devoured by living flames will consume the condemned; nor will there be any way in which the tormented can ever have respite or be at an end. Souls along with their bodies will be preserved for suffering in unlimited agonies. . . . The grief at punishment will then be without the fruit of repentance; weeping will be useless, and prayer ineffectual. Too late will they believe in eternal punishment, who would not believe in eternal life (To Demetrian 24 [A.D. 252]).
Here are some quotes of the ethical values of Jesus;
Matt 5:28-32 – Jesus says marriage to a divorcee is adultery; and a man who ogles a woman has already committed adultery; and that you must cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if it offends.
Matt 6:19-34 – Jesus says don’t save any money and don’t plan ahead.
Matt 8:32 – Having no regard for private property, Jesus destroys a herd of someone else’s pigs.
Matt 10:34 – Jesus says he brings not peace on earth but “a sword.”
Matt 19:12 – Jesus says the best way for a man to be sure of getting into heaven is to have himself castrated.
Mark 11:13 – Jesus destroys a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season.
Mark 14:4-7 – Jesus says it is more important to anoint him with precious ointment than to give to the poor, who will always be here. (Why not just get rid of poverty?)
Mark 16:18 – Jesus says anyone who believes in him can play with venomous snakes or drink poison without harm. (This act has been often tried, with rather unsatisfactory results.)
Luke 12:47-48 – Jesus says it is permissible to whip slaves.
Luke 14:26 – Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as well.
Luke 19:27 – In telling a parable, Jesus insinuates that anyone who denies his rulership must be killed.
John 15:6 – Jesus says anyone who doesn’t believe in him must be burned.
Acts 5:5-10 – Ananias and his wife Sapphira were killed for withholding money from the church.
2 John 1:10-11 – A Christian is forbidden to offer hospitality to a non-Christian, not even to wish him “Godspeed” on parting.
REGARDING BLOOD SACRIFICE:
There is one type of sacrifice authorized today in Hinduism in a very different tradition to mine, as my faith is not actually Hindu as such. That sacrifice is of a goat, once a month to the demigoddess Kali, allowed as a concession for meat-eaters who are not devotees of Krishna.
The animal has never lived in an intensive farm, but has been able to live in the fresh air, and eat wild grass and other plants, and when it is taken to the temple, it’s neck is supported on a metal rest, and after a prayer, the priest uses a sharp sword to decapitate the head of the goat in an instant, with no sadistic slitting of the throat and slow bleeding as the Jews and Muslims use, and no vile cruelty such as is allowed by Christian and Jewish governments to take place in American slaughterhouses, where the animal dies in complete terror after never having had any real life at all.
The Hindu process is allowed firstly to regulate and restrict over excessive loss of life due to the unnecessary habit of meat-eating, and secondly to thoroughly ensure that the meat-eater knows exactly what will be the karmic result for taking the life of another being unnecessarily, so as to discourage him from wishing to kill any further animals.
The prayer is recited so that the person who wishes to eat the goat meat, will himself be reborn as a goat in a future life according to karmic process due to the interruption the meat eater has caused to the spiritual evolution of the goat.
The arrangement is this, that the meat eater agrees to never eat meat any more than on that occasion, from the meat from that one animal, and the rest of the agreement is that he or she must agree during the prayer that he agrees to be reborn as a goat for arranging the killing of the goat, so that for every life he takes, he agrees to undergo another life as a goat.
So this is a much more civilized agreement than takes place in Christianized western society, and is specifically designed to change the attitude of the meat-eater and to reduce animal suffering, as the soul of the goat is recognized as no different in quality of substance from that of a human being, or a resident in the spiritual world.
The Christian way is to permit the keeping of 30,000 head of cattle or pigs in an intensive concrete prison farm, deprived of fresh air, blue sky and grass to walk on and eat, with concrete and metal grids to stand and lay on instead, in heavily cramped pens, knowing only a brutally restricted life of interminable misery, and the Christian can stuff his face with as much meat as he can, from another living being, with no thoughts or considerations at all for the welfare or suffering of that creature.
Today, in India, as a result of the introduction of demonic British style ethics of unrestricted and unregulated animal-killing and meat-eating, as a result of the British rule there in the past, thousands of western style slaughter houses exist in India today, slaughtering cows that were once regarded as ‘holy’ by most, after the ‘Christians’ introduced the practice there, and so the Hindu culture is terribly degraded now from that also.
#16 by Ingrid B on February 14, 2013 - 3:09 am
@ mothman777, #11, I have no religeous faith, and can, therefore, understand what you are saying, that faith, and religeon, have been manipulated, and are forms of control of the masses..
one question though, how do the jews avoid the effects of fluoride?
As far as I`m concerned, I would not want to live in a world dominated by “sinless” chosenites..
@ BAFS, yes, exactly, “Who knows?”
#17 by annebeck58 on February 14, 2013 - 5:25 pm
(whew!)
Hey, Mothman..
And I hate to feel like I am, “piling on”, but yes; some of what was said to you was extremely offensive. As one who’s dealt with that sort of thing many times (and even here, many times), I would say to consider the source. This is someone who’s picked up a few interesting points regarding different religions, while feverishly cutting and pasting to make his arguments, yet has forgotten the gyst of what it is he meant to say. And it comes off as completely ugly each time it’s done (or whenever an attack is launched by this particular Christian/Muslim.)
I do not think he’s ever put-together these bits of information to form a cohesive thought, which is why I’d say this (in the kindest way and as one who’s been there too many times..): Pay no attention to the man behind the keyboard. He spits out the ugliest things he can find to pin on any culture or religion different from his own, while his own seems to be a muddled account of Christianity and Islam, which makes little sense to me. But, as an atheist, most religion makes little sense, to ME.
I have, however, done some study of HInduism. In fact, I’d say that if there was one religion in the world I could most identify with, that would be it. If only they’d get rid of the gods and sacrifices to the gods, I could see myself joining in… but, then, I’d be like just about every other religious person in the world, cherry-picking what I agree with and go along with in order to satisfy myself, and leaving out the bits I find confusing or distasteful.
I do agree, however, that the only, “blood sacrifice”, is that to Kali and it is that of a goat (who has lived a much nicer life than any farm animals in the USA or rest of the Westerized world, just outside of the slaughter-house, in death-camps. I have seen this sacrifice plenty of times and it did not seem to be barbaric, in the least. But, you will not convince some people of this no matter how many times you explain it.
#18 by mothman777 on February 14, 2013 - 8:52 pm
@ #17 by annebeck58 Thanks for your comment’
Just realized, I should actually have included a specific ‘@ #13 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally’ when I posted my last comment.
And I could have added a lot more grisly stuff about how the early saints stated that the joy of heaven was completely lacking without the pleasure of seeing the agonies of those being tortured by being burned alive in hell, how their ‘God’ Yahweh Himself derived much essential pleasure from the act of burning people alive in hell for all eternity, and how even mothers enjoy seeing their own children being alive burned in hell for eternity if they were not Christians before they died, which kind of reads as if it was written by the same Jewish maniacs who tortured the Christians to death in the ‘red’ revolution in Russia in 1917.
You can see descriptions of those tortures performed by the predominantly Jewish Russian Bolsheviks described in some detail in the works of Juri Lina, who also quotes the words of an American official who saw them happen.
And in truth, the reason why they sound exactly the same kind of maniacs is because they really were from the same tribal group, posing as Christians in the early centuries as agent provocateurs to foment the sadistic insanity that has become Christianity today, where burning someone alive for all eternity is made to seem perfectly sane and reasonable, totally acceptable by the standards of ‘cultured’ modern so-called ‘democratic’ society.
Christianity always has been a Jewish-run show from start to finish, to head people right into the insane asylum, or six feet under, in wars that the Jewish leaders in governments around the world have engineered for centuries to have one group of Gentiles kill another group of Gentiles, so that Jews can have all their land and wealth afterwards, and my essays contain quotes from the words of various rabbis in them to validate that statement.
Anna, if you check out my essay ‘Metanoia’ at Mothman777′s Blog, you can read a little more about how wide the variety of relationships is that Krishna can offer. There are in in truth, as many gods as there are individual souls, with only one Lord God, the other gods all being named as demigods, using a similar terminology to ‘angels in heaven’.
Thus, a soul like you or I can become a liberated devata, or demigod in the spiritual world, or, in this world, we can pass through an entire range of incarnations from amoeba to material demigod Lord Brahma, creating entire universes in conjunction with Lord Krishna.
Such posts are necessary, though the naming as ‘demigods’, or ‘gods’ unfortunately misleads people. The demigods like Lord Brahma, are material officials of this material universe, and others like this one, as there are trillions of different material universes outside the reaches of this one, which kind of makes the ‘big bang theory look relatively small in concept, so, much like we name any other individual president or prime minister, it is no more complicated than that.
The capacity of each individual soul is thus much more than we can ordinarily conceive of, so one does not need to be confused too much by the different gods thing, though even many Hindus choose to worship different material demigods like Brahma, Parvati, Ganesh, Kali and so on, at times, for the more immediate material benefits that they can offer specifically, when those needs appear to be more pressing in importance in relation to the more transcendental benefits that can be obtained from principally devoting attention to the Lord God ‘Krishna’.
It is held, nonetheless, that no matter what needs one may have, Krishna can satisfy them all anyway, without the need to worship any demigod. Though Krishna will present a somewhat more streamlined spiritual approach to people who pray to Him by whatever blessings He gives, to make their stay in this world of Maya somewhat shorter than the stay they would otherwise experience by devoting their attention to the demigods instead.
This is so because Krishna IS the actual substance of the spiritual world, and ultimately of this material world also, and the souls of the demigods are essentially exactly the same as ours anyway, even though they have temporarily been given some degree of official authority to control material elements and so on. The souls of the material demigods in this world are diminutive in size by way of comparison to the infinite spatial dimension of the soul that is Krishna, so the demigods cannot give us entrance into the spiritual world.anyway.
The only Lord God is thus Krishna, though in truth Krishna has no name as such, as Krishna is just a simple Sanskrit term meaning ‘the all attractive’, meaning that no other being has such a potency of great transcendental beauty, as that being is perceptible by all, His soul being infinite in dimension.
An analogy of this situation is a little like the sun being the source of light that enables all eyes in this world to function, so it is that the Lord God enables all souls to function as they are all eternally connected to Him; the more we engage in a relationship with Him, the more vivified we become on the transcendental platform, knowing our true eternal forms and natures, and increasingly come to know the many varied forms of Krishna there also.
Krishna can have millions of different ‘names’ referring to His unique potencies, in many different languages in different species, insect languages, animal languages, bird languages and so on, as Krishna incarnates in every species there is, 8,400,000 of them, in all the trillions of universes, with 400,000 of these being different types of human species.
Krishna enables people to relate to Him as co-creator, partner, son, parent, friend, and even partner in conjugal relationship, there being no need for physical sexual intercourse there of course, all love being sentiment there, the entire soul of each person being pure pleasure itself.
And being a partner means one can eventually experience similar potencies to Krishna, in a relationship with amorous love of Krishna, in Madhura Rasa, enabling an individual soul like ourselves to enjoy similar potencies and pleasures on the same level as Krishna Himself, thus we are all parts of God, whilst remaining individuals in relation to each other, love shared maximizing the spiritual pleasure of all.
All souls are one big eternal family, even though they sometimes forget, and ‘Krishna’ is the eternal head of that body of souls, remaining there always to enable and maintain the spiritual standard of consciousness for all others on the spiritual platform, as a divine ‘tuning fork’, to help prevent all souls falling into forgetfulness, even though by free will we sometimes choose to forget His eternal nature, and our own. Effectively, Krishna is the sun by which we remain able to see our own eternal nature.
Many other relationships are possible, and though the highest pleasure is to remain an eternal individual to reciprocate love with Krishna, some can even choose, on rare occasions, to actually merge within Krishna Himself as one soul, and on the other hand, people can choose to be atheists and merge in the Brahman white light and chill out there in a liberated state for as long as they wish also, so Krishna offers many different kinds of transcendental relationship to satisfy whatever desires one could possibly imagine.
#19 by annebeck58 on February 14, 2013 - 11:23 pm
The only part of this I did not understand or could not fathom is that those who believe in Krishna can choose to be atheists. A true atheist does not believe in (have faith in) an external force that’s created anyone or anything or everything. You see, I don’t believe in any superior (or even inferior) creator or partner-creator, even. I don’t believe in any sort of god, no matter what it’s called. In fact, I don’t believe in “souls”. So that pretty much leaves religion out for me.
But, i do not hate religion or religious people, with the exception of those who do evil and then go to church or temple on the weekend to atone for their, “sins”. That’s simply wrong.
I do, of course, believe in forces of nature, such as wind, heat, light, the pull of the moon(s), etc.- because they can be proven and.or viewed in a scientific manner. I am, however, no longer seeking for either a meaning to life or for what the afterlife may be. I don’t believe in an afterlife. I’ve found what I was looking for all along. I’ve died (which has been verified, medically) more than once and what I saw (which was nothing, in a sense, but peace) and felt (again, simply peace, and that’s not even a sufficient word for it) strengthened my belief-system. In fact, I kind of hate using the term, “belief”, as that implies I think something “is” without proof, and have decided I don’t need any proof to have faith it is so. i have absolute faith that what I know (ken) is so, and it was reinforced for me by dying.
The only thing I found negative about dying was being brought back to life.
Since the times I have died, though, I stopped looking. I’ve already found that what I thought was true was, in fact, true. What I experienced is, I believe, what many spiritualists spend a lot of time seeking;. the “afterlife” (and I do not know how long it continues, but I think probably not for long) is a sincere,soundless, colorless, odorless, lightless, darkless, PEACE. It is nothing more and certainly nothing less. And I am lucky enough to have achieved it, so I already have an advantage, if you will. I know what will happen when I die, for good, and it’s absolutely wonderful.
Other than living for my children and (if they ever do decide to do so) for grandchildren, I have no desire to remain here as a part of this earth and/or society. Until I go-over for the final time, I feel it is my duty to also teach others of truth, particularly what our country is doing to this world, and what Zionism/ ISrahell has done to our world.
I do not tend to talk about this much and this is because I don’t like to offend people… and, as I said, I am not recruiting people to my, “side” (as if I had a side at all) I am not suicidal (though it’s tempting, sometimes, just because I know what’s there is a peaceful sort of nothingness), I am simply not left seeking, feverishly, as many are, the key to what life, after death, is. I believe it is not.. or, it is nothing!
It is what gurus spend all of this time in meditation trying to get to. And all it took was dying to achieve it. I do not believe one can “see” or feel it without dying, though, and I do not believe those who say they’ve reached this sort of pinnacle without actually dying.
Suffuce it to say, once one knows what is going to be, there is no reason to fear much of anything.
Now, I hope nobody has been offended by this. It was not my intention to say anyone is wrong. We all have our (different) paths, and this was and is mine. It is why, however, I try to avoid talking about religion or even spirituality. It is not my desire to cause others to be upset, particularly regarding something so very personal to each of us…
#20 by mothman777 on February 15, 2013 - 1:38 am
@ #19 by annebeck58
Hi again Anne.
I should have added maybe, that Krishna cares for all souls as expansions of Himself, so even if you don’t believe in Him, it is still Him who provides the cosmic space of the impersonal Brahman as a further aspect of Himself, for anyone to dwell in, during meditation and after this life, as He respects people’s wishes to experience being apart from His personal feature as Krishna, even as atheists.
Many advaitist groups have the conception that Krishna is just the impersonal Brahman white light anyway, and seek that level of experience with that understanding.
However, the higher level of relating to Krishna on a personal level would still permit you to be free of all suffering and anxiety and still be an individual, Vaikuntha, the name for the spiritual world, actually means ‘free from anxiety’.
People in this material world tend to regard all life as painful, just because it is here sometimes, and they think that all life everywhere will be similar through conditioning here in this world of Maya, but the Vaikuntha level has no physical of mental pain at all, it being comprised of pure spirit soul, which is eternally self-blissful.
You might try visiting spiritualist churches to experience being put in touch with friends and relatives that you would feel comfortable being put in touch with, to confirm the survival of full consciousness after this life, and you can go further from there.
I have experienced what you have experienced, the complete loss of all consciousnesses after nearly dying, but then I came round and was very surprised to be alive! I have also experienced being with Krishna, and maintain daily connection with Krishna in various ways. I have experienced more transcendental levels of perception that are not available through the physical senses, and have also passed over several times when near death, into a vast infinite space of golden light of perfect peace at various times in my life also. I have done decades of yoga also, so that probably accounts for most of my altered states of consciousness, which you might find somewhat hard to believe in, but that is OK, as you cannot accept what you yourself have not yet experienced, and I would not expect you to, as we must be realists, and not fantasists. Eastern Yoga is not always necessary though, as any western, or other tradition of passing through the veil into other realms of perception are all valid in their own ways.
Your soul is the ultimate scientific instrument, so there is no need to bother waiting for somebody with a machine to tell you what is and what is not real, just because they can or cannot measure it. The spiritual realm will never be detectable on any material scientific instrument, because it is entirely non-material.
#21 by mothman777 on February 15, 2013 - 1:58 am
@ #16 by Ingrid B
Hi Ingrid. The Jewish idea is to completely exterminate all Gentiles anyway after finishing using them all as slaves.
But, we as Gentiles still have a duty to try to make sure they do not complete their mad plan, because the world was not created for destructive people like them to abuse as the sole inhabitants of it.
I know this might seem of no consequence to those of the atheistic persuasion, as they would not see the possibility of the planet being useful for that purpose anyway, it seeming non-real to them that any spiritual reality might exist that one might attain to.
However, there are 4,500,000,000 more useful years that this planet could be inhabited for, providing unlimited possibility for more souls to come here to learn how to progress to higher levels. The Jewish plan is to prevent anyone but themselves living here, preventing all others from having access to living on this planet, and they will entirely waste the opportunity that this planet offers, hogging it for no good purpose at all, so that no one else can use it.
So I believe in resisting their plans, for the benefit of all the future generations that could live here in all those future years if they had the chance. But we are losing that chance fast, as estimates are that 100 to 200 species are dying now every 24 hours.
Check out the following video and see how little time there is to stop things going the way they are:
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/chemtrails/the-most-important-topic-for-2013.html
Re. fluoride, Jews are so rich they just drink bottled water. Those Jews that are too stupid to do that, they are not bothered about, as they are messing up their gene pool.
#22 by Ingrid B on February 15, 2013 - 4:48 pm
@mothman777, just p`s me off that fat cat jews pay money for water, whilst the Palestinian water in Gaza is not potable, and deliberately so..
#23 by annebeck58 on February 15, 2013 - 6:33 pm
Oh, mothman.
I wouldn’t go to any sort of church, as I’ve been to plenty, and there’s too much I don’t appreciate. For, as you said, I am a realist. (That may be a better choice of word than atheist, which many people seem confused and bothered by.) I would not get anything out of it as the, “fellowship”, is centered around that belief in a god or in gods. So, why set myself up? I’d also not want to set others up for my disagreement in them. In other words, that’s not gonna happen.
The only reason I mentioned that I was certified dead, medically, is because I have had others tell me it must have been a dream, yet my docs let me know my brain was in no shape for dreaming, either. It’s not that I had to be told what happened; I already knew, of course. Mainly, I was backing up my experience with fact.
(Side note– one time I ended up dead was soon after a surgery, in my doc’s free-standing surgical suite. My son was in the waiting room, feeling that something odd was up, and he tells me he knew something was wrong. He actually knew I’d died before I came out and was ready for him to give me a lift home. I cannot explain that, but he did know, and before i said anything to him about it.)
Anyway, I am quite happy as I am, particularly in my “faith”. Yes, there is pain in this world and nobody is excluded from experiencing it. It’s what we do with it or status-post that feeling that counts. I have all the reason in the world to sit around and whine about my lot in life (I was in a terrible MVA back in ’89 and have been through more than most people, medically and surgically, than any one person should undergo.) But, I’d rather not just grumble while waiting for the end to finally come. There is so much more to learn and to experience and, hopefully, to pass on to others.. even if it’s only to my now-adult children.
#24 by mothman777 on February 16, 2013 - 12:27 am
@ #23 by annebeck58
I think actually that the spiritualists don’t believe in a God as such, more in an intelligence that functions as a cosmic kind of intelligence or oversoul unintentionally.
They just call whatever it is that survives the body, ‘world of spirit’, without being religious, and they are very laid back actually, not religious at all, though they do sometimes sing hymns to that conception at their ‘services’ which consist for the most part of helping people with problems that have psychic involvement.
What I meant was, without you being at the risk of being preached at, or being judged in any way by any heavy conception of God or any other being, you could have your ability to perceive the possibility of life after this one expanded, as the morphogenetic field of consciousness (read Rupert Sheldrake) of those who who regularly stay in touch with people who have passed over to ‘the other side’ can amplify your potential to have the same type of experiences, and they can even teach you astral projection, (though I don’t practice that myself), so then you could see for yourself from that new perspective with the ‘scientific instrument’ of your soul with more certainty, and you can certainly do that even as an atheist, just so you can see more possibilities about the ultimate nature of reality.
And you don’t have to do that by the way. As long as you are content that you are doing all that you can now, then you are most centred in that conception of what life is about and making various kinds of progress there that are most important to you right now. You have your realizations, and it is part of your journey to follow through with those at your own gentle pace ultimately. So good luck with any explorations of consciousness that you choose to make in the future.
You don’t need to attend any type of group to progress ultimately, the whole cosmos is your guru, even according to yogic understanding, and I think that you will be pleasantly surprised later on, to find that death is not as final as you think, as the soul is ineffable joy, bliss, love, and pure intellect, that intellect being of the nature of articulating those qualities, so sooner or later, the inherent natural buoyancy of the soul will take you where the natural affinity of the soul should do, even if it occurs because you love the beauty in the flowers and all of nature, as that is part of the very essence of eternal existence, even in this life.
All the best,
#25 by Ingrid B on February 16, 2013 - 4:44 am
@mothman777, #24, I know this was meant for Anne, but it helped me too, thanks..
#26 by annebeck58 on February 16, 2013 - 5:17 pm
Thank you. Mothman.
I appreciate your posts. It is this style of correspondence or some would say debate, I enjoy, as opposed to being hit over the head with words certain theory.
We all have our paths.., and they are personal. I don’t tell anyone I think they are wrong when it comes to religion; I’ve learned to not. As far as religion goes, I am not trying to change the world. When I was a part of the Church of Christ (short foray in my teens), I did try. However, I never believed wholeheartedly the words that came out of my mouth, by rote.
Overall, this was a good discussion. Again, I appreciate it.