Redneck Christian Zionist preacher David Barton: Old Testament will ‘get rid of’ PTSD if soldiers are ‘God’s warriors’


David Barton speaks to Glenn Beck

rawstory.com

A spokesperson from the Southern Baptist Convention lashed out at a so-called “historian” who radio host Glenn Beck hired to teach at his online university after he interpreted a Bible passage to mean that members of the armed forces who were fighting on the side of God could not suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

In a Veteran’s Day appearance on Believer’s Voice of Victory, televangelist Kenneth Copeland told “historian” David Barton that Numbers 32 said that soldiers “shall return and be guiltless before the Lord” and that meant that they wouldn’t have PTSD.

“You don’t take drugs to get rid of it, it doesn’t take psychology; that promise right there will get rid of it,” he said, pointing at the Bible.

“What we’re talking about, getting rid of the PTSD, guys who have been through battle, they need to understand that soldier’s promise, you come back guiltless before God and the nation,” Barton agreed.

“You’re on an elevated platform up here, you’re a hero, you’re put in the faith hall of fame if you take this [Bible],” he added. “We used to in the pulpit understand the difference between a just war and an unjust war. And there’s a biblical difference, and when you do it God’s way, not only are you guiltless for having done that, you’re esteemed.”

Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission spokesperson Joe Carter told Religion News Service this week that Barton and Copeland had a track record of being “profoundly ignorant about theology and history.”

“But for them to denigrate the suffering of men and women traumatized by war — and to claim biblical support for their callow and doltish views — is both shocking and unconscionable,” Carter insisted. “Rather than downplaying the pain of PTSD, they should be asking God to heal our brothers and sisters.”

  1. #1 by Edward on November 19, 2013 - 4:38 pm

    Another great intellect in the sea of rednecks. How utterly stupid can one get.

  2. #2 by Sami on November 19, 2013 - 4:51 pm

    Little did the Christian Fathers who compiled the Christian Bible know that 16 centuries later, moronic followers of the faith would not be able to understand the significance of the terms “Old” and “New” Testaments! Besides, apart from some divine passages, the Old Testament is a work of fiction.

  3. #3 by jeffreyalbert on November 19, 2013 - 5:13 pm

    Even if you leave the phony media whore Glenn Beck, Christian Zionism and the liar David Barton out of it, Kenneth Copeland by himself is such a heretic, you can almost be assured that whatever follows is sewage. Then you combine the rest…It’s all you need to know really. “Onward Christian Soldiers, Marching As To War! With The Star of Molech, Going On Before!!” (To the tune of the old hymn ‘Onward Christian Soldiers’.)

  4. #4 by Billy on November 19, 2013 - 7:33 pm

    I’d like to see these guys explain how the wars the soldiers are waging are -just-. Those fighting in a war to defend their homes from aggressors, or to defend the poor and downtrodden from those causing mass death, starvation, and poisoning, may feel their conscience cleared by God, but the wars being fought by the volunteer services of the U.S. are the aggressor and the one causing the woes. I welcome a coherent explanation based on truth that would describe the actions of the U.S. military as just.

  5. #5 by Vickie Jacobs on November 19, 2013 - 8:04 pm

    Many years ago Barton was caught getting a lot of his facts wrong.
    I heard Copeland years ago getting railed up that people didn’t have what they needed because they didn’t have faith enough to send him some cash. Same with Gloria his wife on a building project she wanted for the church. If they had faith they should send in the cash.

    God. Wake up people. Copeland is a student of E. W. Kenyon’s twisted doctrines. Check out these people and see where they are coming from.

  6. #6 by Tony on November 19, 2013 - 8:08 pm

    Evangelical “christian” zionism. Taking Christianity BACKWARDS one heretic Preacher at a time.

  7. #7 by Matthew on November 19, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    these two closet pedophiles can only be equated to the mentality of most serial killer sociopaths. They too claim God condones and wants them to kill people.

  8. #8 by Todd Raine on November 19, 2013 - 10:05 pm

    Alright boys. Then put a pair of boots on and strap a gun on. Copeland and All you other “believers” can go to Syria, Afghanistan, West Bank, Gaza. Let us see how you will be affected when you kill women and children and elderly and every other sort of “collateral damage”. Will you still believe you are fighting a “just war”? And if you are affected as many are, where is Your faith? And if you are not affected, is it because of the righteousness of the cause, or is it the darkness that has covered your eyes and blackened your heart? How sick have the Christian churches become,regardless of denomination. All Christian “teachers” should be required to spend a year in Gaza.

  9. #9 by amerikagulag on November 19, 2013 - 10:56 pm

    Phoney religions based on phoney stories based upon the biggest hoax of all – the bible and judaism.

  10. #10 by LindseyNarrates.wordpress.com on November 19, 2013 - 11:08 pm

    Those who have a conscience are the ones who are mentally-affected by what they experience; those who do not, are most likely literal psychopaths. It really is that simple, and says A LOT about people who enjoy doing what they do while in the military, doesn’t it?

    Lindsey

  11. #11 by NLG on November 20, 2013 - 1:21 am

    You know, these young men blowing their brains out are doing it because of the soul-wounds endured from committing acts they cannot live with. Hearing these “preachers” tell these traumatized men not to feel this pain, that it is wrong, are committing an act of evil, in the name of God, because God gives us a conscience so that we don’t harm others. And yet, what do you want to bet the leaders in the field told these men the same thing, while making them engage in acts against conscience–acts against God? The lunacy, the spiritual blindness, and the sheer stupidity of these “preachers” –it staggers the mind. Have these men become so lost in the Old Testament that they have forgotten the simple words of Christ who summed up ALl the laws with the commandment to love? There is no love anymore. I don’t know what god these men worship. Mars, maybe? The person of Christ has been eclipsed by a spirit, an archetype, call it what you want, by a God of War, the Solar Hero, and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. How can you look into the eyes of a man who has murdered his own soul by murdering, possibly raping children, because he was expected to, and tell him he’s guiltless? His own spirit convicts him! God convicts him! This is why I despise evangelical Zionists. Deep down, they reject Christ and wish, all of them, to be “Israelites,” slaying heathens. The young men who blow their brains out do so precisely because they listened to fools like these. God have mercy on their souls.

  12. #12 by lolathecur on November 20, 2013 - 2:24 am

    Might as well be circumcised if they are not already. Would be all that is missing .

  13. #13 by Ralph on November 20, 2013 - 3:05 am

    What a couple of idiots

  14. #14 by Joe B on November 20, 2013 - 4:02 am

    It says it all right there
    “he interpreted a Bible passage to mean that members of the armed forces who were fighting on the side of God could not suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).”
    They are now suffering. They were not fighting on GODS’ side

  15. #15 by CK on November 20, 2013 - 4:20 am

    God, how I loathe David Barton! It was bad enough that he’s been going around promoting the fantasy that the Founding Fathers were bible-thumping fundies. Now he’s telling soldiers haunted by the burnt, twisted bodies of Iraqi and Afghan children to man up and be proud of what they did, as if those children deserved to die. PTSD is a soldier’s conscience nagging him, reminding him of the crimes he committed. I’m amazed that even the Southern Baptists were offended. They’re big supporters of the military.

  16. #16 by Mark Propheter on November 20, 2013 - 5:07 am

    Even though I myself have my reservations about Mr. Marrs. Because of his affiliation with Mr. Jones. It is still important to put into perspective how absolutely crazy these religious leaders and there followers really are. Which this film is a perfect illustration of.

  17. #17 by Dante Ardenz on November 20, 2013 - 2:03 pm

    All of these Christian Fundamentalists ,along with the lousy Catholic Vatican 2 crowd,are pure Jewish paid constructs. They are freaks,and con men,all meant to corral support for their Jew masters.

  18. #18 by Vickie Jacobs on November 20, 2013 - 8:15 pm

    #17
    Good information.

    These people might as well play with an Ouija board since they have invited demons into their minds. They have invited a counterfeit (kundalini) spirit into their lives.

    These are the kinds of people who had bit and killed the prophets of old. Acts 7. These are the ones in the Gog, Magog war to come for those still sitting in the pews and finally come to their senses.

    Heaven help them then for these people are very dangerous.

  19. #19 by Sky on November 26, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    Barton has never been a soldier or ever in the military of any kind – he knows nothing about ‘coming home’ or what happens in battle – just another no credentialed ‘hack’ giving you more advice on something he knows absolutely nothing about -

  20. #20 by andy on November 26, 2013 - 10:05 pm

    The only way to be sure, is to have this man check the theory.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 3,628 other followers

%d bloggers like this: