State wants 2-year-old to ‘repeat circumcision’


 

Interior Ministry is refusing to register a woman and her son as Jewish although Rabbinate recognized her conversion. Child is required to have blood extracted from his penis, while mother must immerse in a ritual bath in front of male judges.

Ynet

Israel’s Interior Ministry is refusing to recognize a woman and her toddler son as Jewish and is demanding that in addition to a full conversion, the two-year-old must undergo a “repeat circumcision.”

The woman converted to Judaism in the past in one of the world’s most prestigious ultra-Orthodox courts, and has already been recognized as Jewish by the Chief Rabbinate.

The Interior Ministry is insisting that the two repeat the conversion process, arguing that the woman chose to turn to a private court rather than to the national conversion system. The boy will be forced to undergo a “hatafat dam” process (to have a drop of blood extracted from the penis at the point where the foreskin was attached) and the woman will be required to immerse in a ritual bath in front of male judges – all for bureaucratic reasons.

On Tuesday, the High Court of Justice was to discuss a petition filed by the Itim association, which is helping the family in its battle for recognition. The family’s representatives, attorneys Prof. Aviad Hacohen and Elad Kaplan, point to an absurd situation in which one of the State’s arms, the Chief Rabbinate, confirms the conversion under its exclusive authority, while the other arm, the Interior Ministry, rejects the conversion without any authority.

Ministry rejects conversion after marriage

The woman, A., a Peruvian national, says she became attached to the Jewish religion “without any ulterior motive” in 2006, and began learning about it with the help of an Israeli residing in Peru at the time, who is today her husband. Due to the absence of suitable Orthodox institutions in her country, she arrived in Israel in order to convert to Judaism.

Because “of foot-dragging, bureaucratic complications and inappropriate treatment to the point of humiliation,” which she says she experienced in the national conversion system, A. turned to the Orthodox Lithuanian court of prominent Rabbi Nissim Karelitz in the city of Bnei Brak. In early 2011, she completed the conversion process, a year later she was recognized as Jewish by the Netanya Rabbinate, and two months later she got married according to Jewish law.

Based on the marriage certificate from the Rabbinate, the Interior Ministry registered the couple as married. Absurdly, it won’t recognize A. as Jewish, although there is no dispute over the halachic validity of her conversion process. About two years ago, the couple had a son who was circumcised – but the ministry refuses to recognize him as Jewish either.

“Over the years, many proselytes who underwent a similar process to that of the petitioners were registered in the census registration as ‘Jewish,’ after it was clarified that the conversion process was sincere and real,” attorneys Hacohen and Kaplan wrote in their High Court petition. “Only in the past few years, difficulties have been created for these sincere proselytes.”

‘The ministry exceeded its authority’

According to the petitioners’ representatives, they are being discriminated against compared to other converts from Israel’s state courts and recognized private courts abroad, whose conversions are approved, and from Israel’s private courts, whose conversions were approved in the past. The lawyers noted that the ministry had never published any criteria on the matter.

The petitioners accused the Interior Ministry of exceeding its authority, as “the Jewish Halacha determines who is a ‘proselyte by conviction,’ and when a rabbinical court or a rabbi register a marriage, being authorized by the State to decide on the matter, the Interior Ministry cannot undermine the decision or ponder it.”

For these reasons, the petitioners argued, the ministry violated human dignity, religious choice and the right to marriage, family life and parenthood, “in a way which will stain their offspring forever and mark them as ‘non-Jews.'”

State says woman failed to disclose facts

The State, in its response to the High Court, accused A. of lack of integrity, stating that she “failed to disclose factual details” in her petition and did not mention the fact that before petitioning the court she had been summoned several times to a state court in order to complete the conversion, but chose not to show up or to send her representative instead.

“Theoretically, the petitioner could have received her request… as long as she had reported to the special conversion court,” the State claimed. “In other words, in addition to the fact that the petitioner failed to include factual details in her petition, she also chose not to use a procedure available to her.”

The woman’s representatives responded that in all her attempts to solve the problem with the state court, she was suffered “despicable treatment to the point of real humiliation.” According to the lawyers, the petitioner’s file “got lost” twice and the conversion approval was postponed repeatedly for 20 months, while the entire conversion process took about 10 months.

“Only when all hope was lost and the petitioner could no longer endure the entanglement and humiliation she suffered at the conversion court, she was forced to turn to Rabbi Karelitz’s court,” they wrote.

Attorneys Hacohen and Kaplan further noted that the State, in its response to the court, was belittling the meaning of the demand to “complete the conversion,” which they said was “a significant mental, emotional, faithful, intellectual, familial, social and cultural process, rather than an ordinary bureaucratic procedure.”

According to the lawyers, two courts have determined that A. was Jewish for all intents and purposes, and now she is required to have her son undergo a “hatafat dam” process in vain, “with all the trauma and physical and mental damage involved,” while violating the dignity of the child and his parents.

They further noted that the demand for a repeated conversion likely conceals a demand for a renewed marriage.

  1. #1 by DOC on February 19, 2014 - 10:21 pm

    When its religion rituals Then I have no comments to that kind of stuff. We Muslims respect all religions.

  2. #2 by Luciana on February 19, 2014 - 11:17 pm

    That is pathetic and mentally deranged and abusive. They are playing head games. That woman must have a very low self-esteem of herself. Religion is pathetic. There is nothing to respect in this situation. Abusive!

  3. #3 by Tony on February 20, 2014 - 12:19 am

    Sound like knuckle dragging, bronze-age sexual battery IMO.

  4. #4 by CK on February 20, 2014 - 12:51 am

    Why would anybody in their right mind want to join this barbaric cult? Can you imagine how terrified that child will be having those old perverts stick a knife in his pee-pee? And they want the mother take a bath in front of them? That’s right out of the Stone Age.

  5. #5 by jm on February 20, 2014 - 1:38 am

    @1, you are completely missing the point. We respect all religions of course, but i have big problems with barbarism. What is te matter with you?

    http://www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/circumcision.html

    http://therealsingapore.com/content/young-singaporean-muslim-i-am-now-against-circumcision

  6. #6 by Todd Raine on February 20, 2014 - 1:44 am

    To join a street gang, you have to submit to a beat-down. Friends, relatives, “allies”, have to beat the crap out of you before you are “one of them”. Pedophilia and masochism is in perfect order for Jewish ‘converts’. My Lebanese friend says they convert for money, not conviction. You saw articles about the chess match to surround Venezuala yesterday. Nicaragua, Columbia, and Peru. They already have Panama, Chile, Equador, and at least influence in Argentina, Bolivia, and Brazil, through corporations, banking and drugs. Nut&DumbJew wants to expand trade with them. This couple saw a way into a higher tax bracket. Nothing to do with a god or heavenly purpose. They saw the game and the power that makes it. They just did not see the ‘beat down’ they would have to get to enter this “Holy Allience”, I mean gang.

  7. #7 by Flor on February 20, 2014 - 1:45 am

    LOVE , PEACE, HARMONY,HAPPINESS ON EARTH’ THIS IS SO INSANE’ THESE POOR CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ARE TRULY PSYCHOPATHS’ WISH THEM HAPPINESS, LOVE, TRUTHFULNESS, LOTS OF LOVE’

    PSYCHOPATHS HAVE NO CURE’

  8. #8 by Mark Propheter on February 20, 2014 - 6:54 pm

    Oh Sweet Bird Of Paradox!
    In Jefferson’s letter to the Danberry Baptists. Was he himself not aware of the dangers of State Religions? Not wanting to make any sect (Catholics,Baptists,Presbyterian or Morman) a State Religion? Realizing the potentual for the abuse of power a State Religion maybe imbued with?!
    Now 200 years later America supports a state that may make a Toddler subcome to another emotionally traumatic circumcision! While reprobate minded Rabbi’s watch this woman bathe!
    AMERICA! As they use to say in the old cigarette commercials for Benson and Hedges.
    You Come A Long Way Baby!

    I think not!

  9. #9 by Todd Raine on February 20, 2014 - 11:54 pm

    Not sure the first one was traumatic Mark, but I think I would have remembered the second one at two. Pretty sure that would have had an effect on me. Like your post. They give me direction for research. Peace

  10. #10 by NLG on February 22, 2014 - 2:34 am

    Circumcision is uncivilized and cruel and perverse.

  11. #11 by annebeck58 on February 23, 2014 - 5:07 am

    Oh, those crazy Jews.
    First they complain that by-birth Jews (esp outside of Israhell) are not Jewish enough and don’t care about the (stolen) land. Then they complain that this by-conversion Jewess is not jewish-enough. So, what do they want? Blood? (What, they want blood?? insanity!)

    How sick are these judges? The woman will be forced to bathe before them, and she will be forced to allow her son have his penis fondled *and who knows what else? we ALL know what else!* by the freaky rabbis.. All to say she is a Jew or is not a Jew.
    These are awful people and A. ought to RUN FAR AWAY, IMMEDIATELY, taking her toddler with her!
    For even if these judges decide she will be Jewish enough, she will never be a Jewess, if she lives in the hellhole., not as far as her neighbors will be concerned. She will be nothing more than a whore.

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