Remembering Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty

40 years Later, Veterans of the USS Liberty Refuse to Give Up the Ship 

Insider Tells the Truth About the Cover-up of the Attack on the USS Liberty

Eyewitness to an Act of War…A US Air Force Intelligence Officer Speaks with American Free Press About the USS Liberty

Memories That Won’t Die–A First Hand Account to the Israeli Murder of 34 American Servicemen on the USS Liberty

American Treachery in the Attack on the USS Liberty Much Deeper Than Previously Thought

US Warns Israel –There Will Be No ‘USS Liberty Pt II’

  1. #1 by Xanadu on 06/08/2009 - 9:34

    Re Remembering Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty.

    You will be glad to learn that there has been a significant development recently in regard to USS Liberty incident. In a recent article by Israel Shamir — “Oscar for Obama” — you will find this encouraging paragraph:

    “A warning shot across the bow was fired a few days ago, when a survivor of Israeli 1967 attack on the USS Liberty was awarded a Silver Star for valour. The mainstream US media (mainly Jewish-owned and edited) intentionally omitted this news….The average American reader or TV viewer was deprived of this news, though oh boy, was it newsworthy: after forty two years of denial, the US top brass admitted that its best ally Israel intentionally and knowingly attacked their intelligence ship with torpedoes and strafing aircraft, killing and wounding two thirds of the crew…

    I guess that’s progress. It’s now officially recognized that Israel did it.

  2. #2 by Xanadu on 06/08/2009 - 9:34

    Shamir adds: “This media silence was as important as the news: it served as a warning that the administration has to act in agreement with media lords; otherwise its deeds will never reach the American people. Despite his blog and informal contacts with hundreds of thousands Americans, Obama has no means to speak effectively to his citizens but via the media. And right-wing media can be a cruel enemy…”

    Shamir mentions the New York Post as one of these newspapers. Owned by crypto-Jew Rupert Murdoch, its blog commenters are now rudely referring to Obama as “Barrack Hussein Obama.” Why? Because Obama has had the nerve to suggest that Israel stop all settlement building pronto.

    Whether Obama is sincere in making this very reasonable demand is a totally different question. Personally, I don’t think he is. Israel Shamir, however, seems to think that Obama means what he says and that he is prepared to face the wrath of the Israel Lobby.

    With any luck, Mark Glenn will offer us some guidance on this tricky question in a future article.

  3. #3 by Xanadu on 06/08/2009 - 9:34

    To Jalid

    Thank you for your advice on living conditions in Chile. I would have written to you thanking you before, but I only just read your post a few minutes ago. I’ve been away on holiday.

  4. #4 by Montecristo on 06/09/2009 - 9:34

    Poll Shows Ahmadinejad Leading in Iran’s Presidential Election

    A new public opinion survey of Iranians shows that incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the leading candidate in the country’s presidential elections scheduled for Friday.

    And guess what? The Jewish Lobby is hoping Ahmadinejad will win! Yep, the guy who allegedly threatened to “wipe Israel off the map” is the horse they’re backing.

  5. #5 by Montecristo on 06/09/2009 - 9:34

    Why? Because if his rival, a soft-spoken and moderate Muslim wins, Iran suddenly becomes much less threatening. The Jews need Ahmadinejad in power in order to have an excuse for bombing the hell out of Iran.

  6. #6 by Montecristo on 06/09/2009 - 9:34

    Iran’s main nuclear plant expanding rapidly, says IAEA

    (Sounds like good news to me).

    Iran’s main nuclear plant is expanding so rapidly that United Nations inspectors have asked Tehran for improved safeguards against the production of weapons-grade uranium.

    In my opinion, Iran would be damned stupid NOT to develop nuclear weapons. The more the better. All pointed in the direction of a certain shitty little country.

  7. #7 by Montecristo on 06/09/2009 - 9:34

    If the same shitty little country can point its nukes at various European cities — as Israeli historian Martin van Creveld has already revealed — why shouldn’t Tehran point a couple of nukes at Tel Aviv? It would be doing us all a favor.

  8. #8 by LP Pandora on 06/09/2009 - 9:34

    Ray McGovern, former senior analyst at the CIA, discusses USS Liberty survivor Terry Halbardier’s belated Silver Star award

  9. #9 by Madame Butterfly on 06/09/2009 - 9:34

    A Day in the Life of a Palestinian

    The worst beatings were in the bathrooms.

    “The soldiers who took detainees to the toilet just exploded over them with beatings; cursed them with no reason. When they took one Arab to the toilet so that he could urinate, one of them gave him a slap that brought him to the ground. He had been handcuffed from behind with a nylon restraint and blindfolded. He wasn’t insolent, he didn’t do anything to get on anyone’s nerves…it was just because he’s an Arab. He was only about 15 years old.”

  10. #10 by Madame Butterfly on 06/09/2009 - 9:34

    The first soldier said: “There were a lot of reservists that participated, and they totally had a celebration on the Palestinians: curses, humiliation, pulling hair and ears, kicks, slaps. These things were the norm.”

    The second soldier said some troops stole from houses they searched, even though the people were so poor it was hard for them to find anything to take.

  11. #11 by Madame Butterfly on 06/09/2009 - 9:34

    Last month, Colonel Virob testified in a military court that hitting detained Palestinians could be justified.

    In Hares, Ihab Shamlawi, a university student, recalled watching as a [Palestinian] high school pupil asked IDF soldiers permission to go to the bathroom.

    “They put him on the floor, they kicked his legs and beat him,” he said. Ten or 15 other soldiers were watching, Mr Shamlawi recalled. “They all laughed,” he said.

    And so it goes on and on…day after day…the senseless brutality. Why does America support these people? What is about them? Why is necessary to praise them, and never criticize them, and shed buckets of crocodile tears for their Holocaust?

  12. #12 by Balthazar on 06/10/2009 - 9:34

    A Fresh Look at a Disgraceful Episode: James Scott’s The Attack on the USS Liberty.

  13. #13 by Balthazar on 06/10/2009 - 9:34

    Also well worth reading, this article by Kevin MacDonald, analysing Obama’s recent Cairo speech:

    Compare this to Dr Hesham Tillawi’s “Obama, The Second Coming of Moses, Exodus Preparations.”

  14. #14 by Xanadu on 06/10/2009 - 9:34

    For sheer chutzpah you can’t beat the Jews. After all, they invented the word. Consider their latest piece of insolence. Hold on to your seat, but check your blood pressure first! In response to Obama’s “tough talk” on settlements, these guys want to impose SANCTIONS on the United States and are now talking about REGIME CHANGE in America!!!


    Israeli Minister Eyes Sanctions Against US
    Outraged at Prospect of ‘More Balanced Approach.’

    Yes, they want an UNBALACED APPROACH! They think that’s more “reasonable”.

    Read on.

  15. #15 by Xanadu on 06/10/2009 - 9:34

    “Israeli news outlets are reporting the leak of a letter from Israeli cabinet minister Yossi Peled to the rest of the nation’s cabinet…[He suggests imposing] sanctions against the United States…In particular, Israel would begin shifting military purchases, the bulk of which come from the US, to other nations… Incredibly enough, Peled, a member of the ruling Likud Party, also proposes political actions which seem to amount to an attempt at regime change in the US. Peled suggests that the Israeli government become directly involved in next year’s US congressional elections, intervening against Democratic Party candidates

    [These] measures against the US is nothing short of astonishing. The prospect has reportedly concerned US Jewish leaders, who fear an attempt to meddle so directly in American policy might provoke a backlash.”

  16. #16 by Xanadu on 06/10/2009 - 9:34

    So what’s new? When does Netanyahu plan to move into the White House?

  17. #17 by Jalid on 06/10/2009 - 9:34

    Hello Xanadu
    You are back and thats great. I hope you had a good time.

  18. #18 by Xanadu on 06/10/2009 - 9:34

    Thanks Jalid, I hope you got my message thanking you for the information on Chile? Yes, I had a nice restful holiday in the sun, completely cut off from the internet. I managed to read two marvelous books by Israel Shamir, Cabbala of Power and Masters of Discourse, both of which have had a big impact on me.

    Shamir, incidentally, has a very original idea of what it means to be a Jew. It is not a race, he says, it is “a culture and a state of mind.” Any Jew who converts to Christianity or Islam ceases to be a Jew, according to Shamir. So when Shamir became a Christian he stopped being a Jew and became an EX-JEW — in the same way as an alcoholic who stops drinking becomes an ex-alcoholic.

    Shamir now calls himself a “Palestinian Christian.”

  19. #19 by Xanadu on 06/10/2009 - 9:34

    The One State Solution is no solution.

    Remember our discussions on the future of Palestine? I think I said that “the only humane and pragmatic solution to the Arab-Israeli problem is the One State solution.” Well, I no longer think this will work.

    Both Shamir and Edward Said embrace the One State solution, and I agree it is the ideal solution in an ideal world, but I don’t think it has any possibility of working or even coming to pass in THIS world. This is because it is too utopian for the people who will be its future citizens. For Utopias to work, those who live in them must be sane, well-balanced and almost saintly.

    The One State solution would never work for this reason:

    It’s because the Arabs, on the one hand, have a burning hatred for the Jews that is entirely justifiable, given the hateful treatment they have received from the Jews for the last sixty years. And the Jews, on the other hand, if their historical behavior is anything to go on, are clinically insane. They suffer from a collective psychosis. They have been driven from every country. There has never been a time when they were not causing trouble. People like this need to be quarantined — like mad dogs suffering from rabies. Giving them their own country in 1948, and stealing Arab land in order to do so, was the biggest historical mistake the world ever made.

    This is is why I no longer believe in the One State solution: it would be like putting cats and dogs in the same cage.

    What is your opinion? How do you see the future of Palestine? Do you think a time will come when the Jews go too far and finally destroy themselves — perhaps taking half the world with them?

  20. #20 by Jalid on 06/11/2009 - 9:34

    if the jews have a problem with their identity you know figuring out who is or who isnt one, then thats their problem. As long as they leave Palestine soon they can claim mars for all i care.
    Anyway I may contribute a little if you allow me. Regarding Shamir saying that a Jew ceases to be a Jew when he changes faiths (how many do, anyway?) then i happen to have posted a comment regarding this not long ago .. it goes like this ..
    “A Jew
    remains a Jew even though he changes his creed; a Christian which would adopt the Jewish creed would not become one, because the quality of a Jew is not in the creed but in the race. A Free thinker and Atheist always remains a Jew” …
    ( I didnt make that one up, i got it from somewhere else but i liked it) …
    thats one … and two …
    “in the same way as an alcoholic who stops drinking becomes an ex alcoholic.”
    Negative, Xanadu
    I am an alcoholic and WHILE i have been clean for almost ten years now, I am STILL an alcoholic.
    Like i said It doesnt matter.
    Xanadu i want to ask you for permission to use some of your quotes in another forum because they are really Ass kicking.
    I also want to confess I used Ruth Bernstein cursings. i used them on the Jews in another forum and i got to tell you, it spooked the hell out of them.

  21. #21 by Jalid on 06/11/2009 - 9:34

    What is my opinion?

    i will tell you but promise not to fall asleep.

    Xanadu, my mother was from Der Yassin where my grand father was the “Mokhtar” or the mayor. I belong, from my mothers side, i belong to the Assad family. He was rich and built roads for the English. he had a “kassara” and trucks. Der Yassin was very small with no more that six or seven different tribes. each tribe has several families. Three of these tribes were relatives of my mothers tribe. When the Jews came, Begin and Dayan leading them, the town put up resistance. there was a defense team that had bought a few rifles from the english. this made things worse because the jews, who were better armed and sustained casualties probably thought that the town had been emptied of women and children or maybe because they did it in purpose, threw grenades inside the houses were a few of their soldiers had been shot at and killed.
    they killed twenty seven of my mothers inmmediate relatives including my grandfather, aunts to be , uncles to be (“to be” because i hadnt been born yet) etc.
    Remember, the Jews were mad, they were crazy, they had this ecstasy trip because they had been murdered in germany and like every thing new, political movements included, they were hipe and eager to accomplish a dream which became a nightmare to the peaceful people in the villages.
    Der Yassin and every town west of jerusalem is called “48”. we lost it in 48.
    My mother denied till her dying day that the jews had raped the women. I suspect she did this because she wanted to honour the memories of the dead and keep their dignity intact. (remember when you posted the dialogue of the American soldiers who had raped that little girl in Iraq?)
    Here is the connection …
    My father was from Ramallah which is “67”. He was the youngest of four. My older uncle worked in Der Yassin and one day, after the war and many other events and visits, my father married my mother in Amman.
    so 48 marries 67 and if i agree to a two state solution, GETTING THE WEST BANK, i would be signing over the deeds of land that dont belong to me (48). The two state solution gives the jews all of Palestine proper.
    the West bank and Gaza belonged to to jordan and egypt not to us.
    our share is in palestine “48”. My father was a jordanian. my mother is, would be if she stayed, an Arab Israeli but because she left she lost every thing..
    I have land in 67, my father´s, but i cant even go there because my father was not there phisically during the 77 war. but my cousins watch it for me, for us.
    It would be inmoral to agree to a two state solution specially if you are from 67 because you have no right to negotiate the land of the people of 48 who have been wating to come back for more than sixty years..
    the land lost in 1948 is roughly twenty thousand square kmts while the West Bank and Gaza are only five thousand squared kmts.
    And the Jews want to keep settlemts here and guarantee “natural growth”.
    1948 was supposed to be split in two but we refused because the jews were getting more tan half when they were actually only ten percent.
    Two state solution DOES NOT mean two halfs.
    I dont know what is going to happen because at this point we Arabs at at our lowest and them the Jews are at their highest times ever.
    Maybe agree to a two state solution, sneak weapons and kick their ass later.
    Two state solution DOES NOT mean two halfs.

  22. #22 by Xanadu on 06/11/2009 - 9:34

    Xanadu i want to ask you for permission to use some of your quotes in another forum because they are really Ass kicking.

    You don’t need to ask my permission. I am only too flattered. But please let me know where this forum is so that I may have the pleasure of reading it.

  23. #23 by Xanadu on 06/11/2009 - 9:34

    I also want to confess I used Ruth Bernstein cursings. I used them on the jews in another forum and i got to tell you, it spooked the hell out of them.

    Jalid, I hope you don’t mind me suggesting this, but I think as a man of honor you ought to ask Ruth Bernstein for her permission to quote her curses. It would be amusing to hear her response. I mean, with any luck, you might get a few curses yourself! 🙂

  24. #24 by Jalid on 06/11/2009 - 9:34

    “I have land in 67, my father´s, but i cant even go there because my father was not there phisically during the 67 war (SIXTY SEVEN). But my cousins watch it for me, for us.”

  25. #25 by Xanadu on 06/13/2009 - 9:34

    Jalid June 11, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Do I promise not to fall asleep? Jalid, this is by far the most interesting post I have ever read in several years on the internet. You are a survivor of the Nakba. A living witness to the catastrophe that your family had to endure in 1948. How could I not be moved and impressed?

    I happen to have written an article myself (under another name) which gives extensive first-hand witness reports of the events that took place at Deir Yassin in 1948. Your mother’s refusal to admit that any women had been raped at Deir Yassin is of great interest, but is of course contradicted by other witness accounts. See my article below:

    “There is no doubt that many SEXUAL ATROCITIES were committed by the attacking Jews. Many young school girls were raped and later slaughtered. Many infants were also butchered and killed. I also saw one old woman who had been severely beaten about the head with rifle butts.”

    (Richard Catling, British army officer, recalling the Deir Yassin massacre, Quotation 11).
    (Without comments)
    (20 comments, this site).

  26. #26 by Xanadu on 06/13/2009 - 9:34

    The scariest and most memorable deir Yassin citation is this one (Quotation 13 in my article):

    “Amid disemboweled furniture I found some bodies. The “cleaning up” had been done with machine-guns, hand grenades, and finished off with knives. I turned over the bodies, and found a little girl mutilated by a hand grenade. Everywhere it was the same horrible sight . . . this gang was admirably disciplined and only acted under orders . . . The gang were young men and women, armed to the teeth with cutlasses in their hands, most of them still blood-stained. A BEAUTIFUL YOUNG GIRL WITH CRIMINAL EYES SHOWED ME HERS [severed head], DRIPPING WITH BLOOD. SHE DISPLAYED IT LIKE TROPHY.”

    (Jacques de Reynier, representative of the International Committee of the Red Cross).

  27. #27 by Xanadu on 06/13/2009 - 9:34

    “It would be immoral to agree to a two state solution…
    the land lost in 1948 is roughly twenty thousand square kmts while the West Bank and Gaza are only five thousand squared kmts…Two state solution DOES NOT mean two halfs.”

    Yes, I am aware of all this. No one expects you to agree to a 2-state solution. Why should you?

    Under the Partition Plan of 1947, the Jews were to receive 54 percent of historic Palestine, and the Arabs were told they had to accept only 44 percent. Naturally the Arabs refused. Offering them less than half was a calculated insult.

    It was an insult for two reasons: (a) the Arab population at that time was far higher than the Jewish population, so why offer them the “smaller half”? (2) By 1948 the Jews had bought up and legally owned only 6 percent of historic Palestine, so for them to get an additional 48 percent without having to pay for it was a gift from heaven — too good to be true.

    It is also a little known fact that the Jewish leaders at that time (Ben-Gurion above all) were secretly hoping that the Arabs would NOT accept the UN Partition Plan which granted them 44 percent. They wanted the Arabs to say “No!” Why? Because they wanted a war which would drive the Arabs out and let them, the Jews, grab even MORE land.

    And so they succeeded in getting hold of 78 percent of historic Palestine and driving into exile 750,000 Arabs. There are now 4 million Palestinian refugees living in various refugee camps and in the Palestinian diaspora. You are one of these, Jalid.

    Will you accept for your people the spat-out remains of Palestine? A wretched Bantustan consisting of 15-20 percent of your historic homeland? If you are very, very lucky — depending on their willingness to obey international law — you will get 22 percent AT MOST.

    Frankly, I don’t see it happening.

    Will they dismantle their settlements? No, they won’t. Will they let you have East Jerusalem? No, they won’t. Will they give the Right of Return to 4 million Palestinian exiles? No, they won’t. They give nothing. Get justice out of them? Sooner would you squeeze blood from a stone.

    Fatah accept a 2-state solution and the quisling Abbas will sign on the dotted line. Hamas will expect much more, but the Jews won’t give it unless the Americans turn the screw on Israel.

    Finally, though Hamas in Gaza may accept a 2-state solution, Hamas in Syria will not. Hamas has “extreme” elements which want ALL Palestine back. They don’t want a 22 percent solution, they want a 100 percent solution. ALL OR NOTHING.

    Who knows where this will all end? If the Jews don’t come to their senses, they may lose all. Their greed may be their undoing. We must leave it God and history. Events are beyond our control.

  28. #28 by Jalid on 06/13/2009 - 9:34

    Xanadu, i am glad you liked it.
    It took two days for it to make it thru and i thought Mark Glenn didnt like it because IT IS a little confusing. I thought that maybe he wanted me to write it a little more clear.
    But anyway, it is a very exciting weekend.
    One, Ahmedinejad won the elections in Iran.
    Two, Netanyaho speaks tomorrow, he is going to offer something. We are Waiting.
    Three, Americans are still shocked at the World War Two Hero who attacked the holocaust museum that sits five hundred meters from the white house.

    Regarding NETANYAHOO¨S possible offer he is going to make it clear Maale adumim, Ariel, Ofra And kadumim stay intact. He is going to offer 42 percent of the west bank wich is only 4.000 squared kmts.
    They keep all of Palestine of 48 (20.000 sq. kmts) and come in to split the tiny West Bank with us.
    “What is mine, mine is, whats is yours, yours and mine”
    It is not their fault, the Jews.
    It is ours when lazy obese Arab kings roll over and wave their gold rings congested manicured pretty hands signaling approval of more “Aid” to their loser buddies in Washington who turn around (more morons)and handed to the Jews in bailouts.
    I was talking to a Hamas simpathizer last night and he said that the jews know very well that talking to Hamas is better for them.
    Netanyahoo is gonna offer us 42 percent of the 20 percent West Bank, and thats it.
    when i wrote my mother left i should have written it “left”.

    They are not called “Israel” they are called to Jews.

  29. #29 by Xanadu on 06/16/2009 - 9:34

    Thanks for these thoughts, Jalid. The fact that Ahmadinejad has been re-elected is good news — rigged election or not. Why shouldn’t the Iranians rig their elections in their own interests if their theocratic leaders wish to do so? Don’t the Americans rig their elections (Bush 2000) in the interests of the Jews?

  30. #30 by Xanadu on 06/16/2009 - 9:34

    As for Netanyahu’s speech on Sunday at Bar Ilan university, no one could possibly accept this nonsense except a brain-dead moron. Every single clause of Netanyahu’s “offer” is unacceptable:

    1. A demilitarized Bantustan state consisting of 15-17 percent of historic Palestine.

    2. All the settlements retained. No reference to UN Resolutions or Israel’s legal obligations under international law to dismantle these settlements.

    3. Confiscation of East Jerusalem: both Palestinians and Christians are to be denied control of their own holy sites.

    4. No Right of Return for the 4 million refugees — I heard the figure 7 million mentioned on Al Jazeera yesterday — and no talk of monetary compensation for those who choose not to return.

    5. Finally, the insulting demand that all Arabs should recognize Israel as a JEWISH state, i.e., an apartheid state in which only Jews have full rights as citizens.

  31. #31 by Xanadu on 06/16/2009 - 9:34

    Take consolation from this, Jalid: those who are aiding and abetting the Jews to steal Palestine from its rightful owners — and by this I mean the Americans — will pay the price of their folly.

    Their karma will be a bitter one: they will lose their own country, America, to the same Jews. They will lose their liberties. They will lose their God. They will lose everything they hold dear and become a nation of slaves, writhing under the Jewish heel. That will be their punishment, Jalid.

    Even as I speak it is happening. They sink into servitude. Like a pig led to market by a ring on its nose, the American people are being led into servitude by their Jewish masters.

  32. #32 by Montecristo on 06/16/2009 - 9:34

    Jalid, this article is well worth reading:

    Palestinian Officials Unimpressed With Netanyahu’s Offer
    by Mel Frykberg, June 16, 2009

    RAMALLAH – Yasser Abed Rabbo, secretary of the Palestine Liberation Organization’s executive committee, and a close confidant of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, has dismissed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s foreign policy speech Sunday night as a big zero.

  33. #33 by Montecristo on 06/16/2009 - 9:34

    Pre-election Iranian poll showed Ahmadinejad support

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A poll of Iran’s electorate three weeks before its election showed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad leading by a 2-to-1 ratio, greater than the announced results of the contested vote, the pollsters said on Monday.

    The poll showed Ahmadinejad’s disputed victory, which has sparked riots and demonstrations since it was announced, might reflect the will of the people and “is not the product of widespread fraud,” pollsters Ken Ballen and Patrick Doherty said in a column in The Washington Post.

  34. #34 by Madame Butterfly on 06/16/2009 - 9:34

    Ahmadinejad is who Iranians want

    Iran’s election result may not be fraudulent. Our polling suggests that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s victory is what voters wanted
    — The Guardian.

  35. #35 by Madame Butterfly on 06/16/2009 - 9:34

    Looks like the Jews have hit the jackpot again. An Ahmadinejad victory. Better still, an Ahmadinejad victory that is being hotly contested.

    So how about a bit of “regime change” in the interests of democracy? When are we going to bomb Iran so that the Iranians can have the man they “really” voted for, i.e., American puppet Mousavi?

  36. #36 by Jalid on 06/16/2009 - 9:34


    “Take consolation from this, Jalid: those who are aiding and abetting the Jews to steal Palestine from its rightful owners — and by this I mean the Americans — will pay the price of their folly….”

    Xanadu, the medication slash consolation you recomend is like using valium 2 mg. to deal with a brain tumor. It does me as good as if i was by now needing lithium 100 mg extra, WHICH would soon also be failing.
    The only Real good cosolation i had was gloating at the holocaust in germany and then the holly priest mr williamson came and rained in my parade.
    A big ass picnic aunt.
    Couldnt keep his big mouth shut.
    I hate him more than i did my father when he told me santa claus didnt exist.
    You, xanadu, ironically share with the jews one thing and that is you are anware of the extent of our hate for this abhorent nightmare that has lasted for sixty years.
    You, i forgive.
    them, ….? … (cursor blinks, blinks, blinks blinks,)

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