A Very Un-Merry Christmas

(c) 2006 by Nahida Izzat, an exiled Palestinian

Un-Merry Christmas for me!

What is going on?

“Hello is this the Christmas Help Line?”

“Yes… good afternoon and merry Christmas, Angela speaking…How can I help you?

Are you feeling lonely today?”

 “Absolutely, awfully lonely

And I have a serious problem

A grave one without a doubt

Maybe you could help… sort me out

People around me are buoyant and joyful

Oblivious to what’s happening

To the precious baby

They’re rejoicing for

 Celebrating his birthday

While he’s dying

A thousand deaths a day

Feasting lavishly

Partying like mad

While he’s awaiting starvation

Persecution… torture… humiliation

And targeted assassination

Isn’t that sad

Oh little baby of Nazareth

Can they not sense your pain?

Can they not see you bleeding?

Can they not hear you weeping?

Time and time again

And you, little town of Bethlehem

Can you hear them singing your name?

Do you feel the stabbing of their feet

As they dance over your wounds with glee

While you’re drenched with hurt and shame

Oh little town of Bethlehem

Have they not noticed

The limbless forsaken petrified child

They have made you

As they dragged you into their fantasy fame

Oh wingless heartbroken Jerusalem

Tell me

How can they fail to see your tears?

Are they blissfully ignorant or pretending to be?

Would they pop up their life-bubbles

And face reality

“Dear caller

Who is speaking?

I didn’t catch your name?

Be reassured

It’s all confidential

Everything you say?”

“Have you heard of Jesus?

I am his mother… who raised him

I am his daughter… who loved him

I am his sister… who held him

I am his friend… who embraced him

I am the fisherman… who fed him

I am the wise-man … who visited him

I am the Shepard… who believed him

I am the disciple… who followed him

I am the Palestinian … who made my heart his home”

“Oh… yes… I see”

“Dear Angela

You know what?

I’ve never had a happy Christmas

Since I was born

Dear Angela

I know that this conversation is not to be disclosed

But I am begging you not to keep it so

Dear Angela… go

Just go

Tell your colleagues

Friends and family

And everyone you know

Tell of my story

Spread every word you’ve heard

Dear Angela

The root of the problem

The cause of my pain

Is that… nobody knows

What’s going on

Or do they?

I don’t know

But if they do…


I really want to know

What’s going on?

(c) 2006 by Nahida Izzat, an exiled Palestinian



  1. #1 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 12/17/2009 - 9:34

    Fellowing the publication my letter to Santa on this site last Christmas, A Palestinian mother of 3 Children post it on Palestinian Mothers blog with positive comment, and I a poem she wrote on the subject two years prior. I really like her poem and was captivated by her style of writing. I remembered her name few days ago as I was reading many comments about her by Jilad.

    I thought Jilad the Palestinian would be tickled to death and enjoy reading her poem, as well as the rest of the folks. This Palestinian woman was expelled at age 7 from her home in in Jerusalem where she was born after the 1967 Israeli War.

    I am glad Jilad has a change of heart and is back on track.

  2. #2 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 12/17/2009 - 9:34


    Yes, I do love the picture.
    It does speak volume, and tell the rest of the story.

    After all, Jesus Christ[pbuh] was a Palestinian.
    Unlike me who was born in exile-in a refugee camp. He was born
    in Bethlehem, Palestine.

    Peace be upon him the day was born, the day he died, the day he would be sent alive.

  3. #3 by skulz fontaine on 12/17/2009 - 9:34

    I believe that picture is by Ben Heine. Moving, as Mr. Heine’s work always is. The verse is powerful. As only words properly strung together, can be. Jesus, so the story goes, was born in Bethlehem. Hmmm, Jesus is Palestinian. Now there’s a surtprise. No? Palestine then as now, is “occupied” territory. Seems an historic foregone conclusion. And Jews in that interminable Jewish manner scream out, “give us Barbaras!”
    Merry Christmas to all and to all, good luck.

  4. #4 by Sam on 12/17/2009 - 9:34

    It is a very sad state of affairs that His brithplace is now a concentration camp surrounded by a huge wall. Sadder still is that some of His misguided followers are aiding and abetting those who are trying to choke Christianity at its birthplace.
    Having said that i still nevertheless do wish all a Merry Christmas.

  5. #5 by Jalid on 12/17/2009 - 9:34

    Because of the Hebrew crime with
    The help of the slaved American slime
    I am forced to say,

    There are no silly smiles on my face these holy holiday,
    I can’t help but to remember my friend Sami Hussein in sadness holding his baby, so tiny anyone holding her would be terrified that if jiggled she would get hurt.
    He was
    Still afraid
    to hurt her even
    as he held her on his arms
    Crying aloud, overshadowing the humming sounds of the Bedouin women who in accordance to Arab 3za tradition, wailed out in pain in nearby wakes for their dead …
    Crying aloud thinking the nightmare would somehow stop and that he would in some way wake up from his bad dream….
    A lone
    at a full moon, over a hill near a bloody lagoon he screamed in grief ! ,
    as if the physical injuries that had gashed half his baby’s short lived existence off, were his,
    wishing were his.
    There were so many dead and injured by the entrance to Khan Yunes hospital that people, busy with the commotion and the emergencies, hardly noticed him.
    May be they didn’t see what it was he was holding in that lonely embrace of his;
    Standing there stranded in a world of tears and fears asking the Lord in vain to make the world change, sobbing for it to go away, the pain …
    But at that moment, to him no one else had died in the world but the creature he had spent eight years trying to procreate.
    “It hurts so much, Khalid!” He told me when we finally got thru on the phone on January 22nd two thousand and nine……

    I was told by his mother whom we also spoke to after the forty days wake were over, and again just a few days ago that even today almost a year later, he sometimes shakes his head in an unconscious yet furious nervous tick , trying to
    End that lapse of time that comes when the thought of her, one second Alive, the next DEAD,
    Invades his wounded memory…
    She says that He’ll be sitting next to people playing Tarnib at the local café when it unexpectedly happens forcing the other guys to turn their heads, some, pulling the Argyle tip off of their mouths to look at him, others the other way, in monotonous sorrow and distress.
    Battered men who have adapted to it for they have grown accustomed to it, and quite a few other things up in Palestine;
    No silly smiles on my face these holy holidays because of the Hebrew crime

  6. #6 by Jalid on 12/17/2009 - 9:34

    Palestine, the land where the real Christmas occured yet we look the other way and try to forget that this is the place where the spirit was ruined

    This Bilad the Lord Almighty has chosen to humiliate in reprisal for our Arab brothers hypocritical ways of life; for the derailing away from the path of Islam as we sold our souls for material wishes,
    big cars
    bitches ..

  7. #7 by Amerikagulag on 12/17/2009 - 9:34

    There are no ‘holy’ days. Only the solstice and the knowledge that the sun will continue on it’s rise.

  8. #8 by Jerry on 12/17/2009 - 9:34

    Tell me why chirstian and pagan holidays seem to be on the same days?

    –the reason why is very easy to explain. Christianity was born within the days of the Roman empire, where pagan festivals were the norm. The Christians, knowing it would be difficult to pry the nascient converts from paganism completely away from their roots, simply layered Christian holydays on top of the pagan ones to make the transistion easier, similar I suppose to a recovering alcoholic drinking “near beer” or “non-alcoholic champage’ in order to make up for the ‘deficit’.

  9. #9 by Len Giles on 12/18/2009 - 9:34


    The creation of the Zionist State of Israel (on stolen Palestinian land), gave the world an excellent opportunity to examine the true nature of the Jews, and understand why so many Gentiles (around the globe) detest them.
    Their arrogance, cruelty, virulent racism, and brutality (often captured on film by foreign correspondents), gives us a true picture of a nation without a conscience, without a soul, without morality, and without a God.
    The arrogant Israeli Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, once stated the following: “The Jewish “Race” is the MASTER RACE. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our “race”, other races are beasts and animals; cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.”
    Menachem Begin merely uttered what all Zionists believe in their hearts.
    The uncivilized, inhuman, and brutal treatment of the innocent, unarmed, Palestinian civilians (since 1948) is a clear manifestation of the Zionists’ evil and racist mentality.
    According to the prevailing Jewish mindset, all the despicable Israeli acts listed below, comply with the requirements of the Jewish Law. In other words, they are “kosher”.
    1-Stealing 80% of the Palestinians’ land is “kosher”.
    2-Killing innocent, unarmed, Palestinian men, women, and children, is “kosher”.
    3-Practicing Apartheid, and Genocide, in Palestine, is “kosher”.
    4-Building an enormous dividing wall in Palestine, without the Palestinians’ permission, is “kosher”.
    5-Behaving like tyrannical, racist, bullies, is “kosher”.
    6-Demolishing thousands of Palestinian homes (often with the occupants still inside), is “kosher”.
    7-Burning thousands of Palestinian homes, orchards and farms, is “kosher”.
    8-Unlawfully confiscating Palestinian properties, machinery and animals, is “kosher”.
    9-Raping, and murdering, Palestinian girls, is “kosher”
    10-Massacres and Atrocities inflicted upon the innocent, unarmed, Palestinian civilians, are perfectly “kosher”.
    11-Torturing approximately 125,000 Palestinian prisoners, for decades, is “kosher”.
    12-Forcing 1.3 million Palestinians (at gunpoint) to abandon their homes, their farms and their ancestral homeland, is “kosher”.
    13-Breaking the arms and legs of children for throwing stones at Israeli tanks, is “kosher”.
    14-Poisoning the water wells of Palestinians, with arsenic, to make them leave their homes and villages, is “kosher”.
    15-Ignoring dozens of United Nations Resolutions, since 1948, is “kosher”.
    16-Assasinating politicians, and leaders of the Palestinian Authority, is “kosher”.
    17-Terrorising Palestinian families, in the middle of the night, with “Gestapo style” raids, is “kosher”.
    18-Treating the Palestinian civilians like sub-human creatures, is “kosher”.
    19-Using American helicopters to destroy Palestinian cars, with all the passengers still inside, is “kosher”.
    20-Deliberately harassing, and bullying, Palestinian civilians at countless “check points”, and “road blocks”, is “kosher”.
    21-Desecrating Mosques and Muslim Holy Books, is “kosher”.
    22-Crushing demonstrators to death, with bulldozers, is “kosher”.
    23-Renaming dozens of stolen Palestinian towns and villages with Hebrew names, is “kosher’.
    24-The lucrative business of selling Palestinian body parts, is “kosher”.
    Behaving like demented, homicidal maniacs is perfectly normal for the Jews. It is the result of 4,000 years of inbreeding.
    How can wicked, mentally deranged, immoral, murderers claim to be members of the Human Race?
    How can a group of arrogant creatures (who belong to the same Semitic tribe as the Arabs), claim racial purity and racial superiority? Jews show their abysmal ignorance, and crass stupidity, when they accuse the Semite Arabs of “anti-Semitism”!
    How can cruel, evil, thugs who relentlessly break God’s Ten Commandments claim to be “God’s Chosen People”?. I regard their preposterous claim as GRIEVOUS BLASPHEMY. I honestly think that they are Satan’s chosen lycanthropes.
    Apathy is an unforgivable sin. Evil spreads like a cancer when good men (and good women), do nothing to stop it. On Judgement Day, we will be asked to justify our total lack of compassion and callous indifference to the pain, suffering, persecution, injustice, and the bullying of millions of innocent fellow humans. How will we plead?
    Len Giles

  10. #10 by frank on 12/18/2009 - 9:34

    The graphic is an interpretation of Michaelangelos’s Pieta of Mary and her dead son at the Vatican. Your welcome, Franco

  11. #11 by Nicolae on 12/18/2009 - 9:34

    Israel, despite its status as a pariah state amongst thousands of judicial authorities in Europe and around the world, is still regarded as an ‘ally’ by the traitors who govern the American people. Barack Obama, of whom I warned shortly after his ‘popular’ election would represent the ultimate traitor of the American people [3], has played his role to perfection: establishing, at first, a sharp distinction between the approach of the Zionist Neocons who ran Bush like a glove-doll with their hands delved so deep down inside of his anal passage, they were even able to twang the few vocal chords over which The Great Cretin had a modicum of intellectual control. Now Obama has been brought to heel. Good boy. Israel’s obedient House Nigger.

    Livni’s complicity, indeed direct involvement in the continuing, sheer, vicious and unapologetic Holocaust of the people of Gaza and the West Bank, the True People of The Land, which involves the deliberately targeted bombing of schools and hospitals and the use of flesh-eating white-phosphorous, is nothing beyond the extraordinarily evil and inherent mentality of an alien people, the Ashkenazim, whose forefathers were never of Semitic descent, and who, by mere virtue of their hatred for the creativity they possess not within themselves and must steal (as Einstein stole the best ideas of uniquely ingenious German physicists) from real human beings everything to justify their existence as bandits and thieves, is typically indicative of sociopaths who vent their spleen and anger against those they despise as real creators and genuinely hard-working producers of wealth [4].

    When we talk of Livni, Meier, Begin, Rabin, Netanyahu, Sharon (and treasonous dual American-Israeli Fifth-Columnists such as Paul Wolfowitz, Raul Emmanuel, Michael Chertoff and Ben Bernanke) and the founding mass murdering terrorist of the Satanic state of Israel, the antichristic and European-hating Ben Gurion, let us never forget that we are dealing with representatives of an illegal sect of International Usurpers who have brought our entire world to the very brink of not only financial bankruptcy, but right unto the Abyss of nuclear Armageddon.

    Poor little nuclear-armed ‘Israel’, which has even threatened to destroy the entire world unless it gets its own petulant, screaming and kicking childish little ways. Let us, as gullible Christians and westerners, who have been taught to hate all Arabs (the true Semites and the real Children of Shem) release a flood of tears so great for those much-abused hook-nosed destroyers of orange groves and the builders of a hideous wall of evil between themselves and real, suffering humanity, drown them all in a deluge of our overwhelming sympathy for their sheer Christ-murdering cunning and arts of manipulation, blackmail and bribery.

    Let us, as Christians and westerners, never forget their hatred towards us and forgive them for their apparently harmless wisecracks; for surely, these lovable Edomites and Turko-Mongols, who were never the Children of Israel, must be joking when they say:

    “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force.” ­ Israeli military tactician and professor Martin Crevald [5].

    Let us consider the ponderings of the Bolshevik Jewish racial supremacist, Menachem Begin:

    “Our race [speaking of the Ashkenazim false Jews and Edomites] is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” ­ June 25, 1982, as quoted as an enhancement of Rabbi Schneerson’s racist claims in the ‘New Statesman’.

    Yet Satanic asslickers, such as John Hagee, Barack Obama and the demonically selfish and unscrupulous Hillary Clinton, will not hear one word against a people who have always, and will continue, to despise hard-working Americans and Europeans. Let’s name just a small sample of the Jews who have hated and despised America; who have betrayed, and whose ilk will always continue to betray, America and the English people:

  12. #12 by rehmat1 on 12/18/2009 - 9:34

    Well – world’s most powerful Christian, Barack Hebrew Obama, on December 16 – proved that as a “good Christian” – Jewish Hanukkah has priority over Christ’s Birthday.

    Obama’s Hanukkah party

  13. #13 by Jalid on 12/18/2009 - 9:34

    Attention attention, Gaza residents!

    All Palestinian children should go on full alert!
    Christmas is just around the corner!
    Santa is about to come!

    Boys and girls!
    Prepare to take off to the shelters!
    Its that season Again!

  14. #14 by Chris on 12/18/2009 - 9:34

    @Jerry The reality is it’s the other way round. To subvert true Christianity, paganism(kabbalah, theosophical satanism) was slide underneath. It’s called externalisation.

  15. #15 by Steve on 12/18/2009 - 9:34

    Great Nahida. I feel very much the same about Christmas and shall just wish you my love and condolences. At least we can reflect on the “Un-Merry” time the Zios are having around the world just now, it is only a trickle sure, but a lot of trickles of dissent against them opening up. I think its all down hill for them now, and they know it. They’ll get wild and nasty before they go down, and God help the Palestinians, because your people will be first in the firing line. However this time little Israel might be going to get a hammering and there isn’t much to hammer when it comes down to it.

  16. #16 by Ray O Hope on 12/18/2009 - 9:34

    Merry Christmas, how can we be merry when the same money changers that crucified Jesus now control us all, they are more powerful today than in the days of christ, their evil ways have brought death and sadness through out this Gods earth, look all around you, people have lost loved ones in senseless wars, lost their homes to the zionist bankers, and their livelihood are all in the hands of this evil ANTI-CHRIST.
    don’t buy anything from the major retail stores, shop at your local mom’s & bobs shops, give to the poor, feed the hungry, just don’t feed the beast.
    be nice to your kids and neighbors kids, say it out loud MERRY CHRISTMAS to all, YOU ARE THE TRUE “GODS CHOSEN” that will bring about the return of goodness, THAT OF JESUS CHRIST.
    I am a muslim, and I am American of Arab background, I believe in GOD and GOODNESS, and I believe in the return of JESUS CHRIST, and that all good people, all GODS people well stand together to bring the end of evil on this GODS earth.

  17. #17 by Greg Bacon on 12/18/2009 - 9:34

    ‘Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Palestine
    IOF creatures were stirring, setting land mines.
    No stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
    Palestinian kids knew death was in the air.

    The children were hiding under their beds,
    While IOF storm troopers were about, spraying lead.
    And mamma in her hijab, and I in my cap,
    Were praying to Allah that the IOF would not snap.

    When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
    IOF machine guns were making bodies splatter.
    A window broke with the sound of a crash
    As an IOF grenade, turned my brothers into mash.

    The blood on the breast of the new-fallen snow
    Gave the lustre of death to objects below.
    When, what to my frightened eyes should appear,
    But an Israeli tank, and eight more IOF troopers and gear.

    The IOF tank driver, so little and quick,
    I knew in a moment, compensating for his small dick.
    More rapid than eagles his shells they came,
    And he laughed and shouted, and called my family names.

    And then, in a twinkling, I heard the roof cave in
    And the IOF troopers, shouting with a grin.
    As I drew in my head, and was turning around,
    Down the chimney came a IOF mortar round.

    It crashed to our floor, with a terrible noise
    Killing my father with typical Jewish joy.
    An IOF trooper, with bombs in his backpack.
    Kicked open our door and started to attack.

    His eyes-how they gleamed! My, how scary
    His cheeks were like tombs, his nose like a cherry!
    His droll little mouth was drawn with a sneer.
    The bulge in his pants, told me he was queer.

    The stump of a pipe bomb he held tight in his teeth,
    And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath.
    He had a ghostly face and a little round belly,
    That shook when he shot his machine gun, like on the Telly.

    He was severe and plump, a bastard with a leer
    And I cried when I saw him, filled with fear.
    The gleam in his eye and a twist of his head,
    Soon gave me to know I had much to dread.

    He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
    Spraying bullets around, like a callous jerk.
    And laying his knife aside of my throat
    He slit it open, like one would a goat.

    He sprang to his tank, to his team gave a whistle,
    And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.
    But I heard him exclaim, ‘ere he drove out of sight,
    “Death to all Palestinians and to all, a gory night!”

  18. #18 by anonymous on 12/19/2009 - 9:34

    “In America it has become illegal to put a Christian cross on public ground; no symbol representing any aspect of the Christian religion is allowed. But while crosses are banned from the White House and any public place, huge Jewish Menorahs are going up by the thousands all over the United States as well as in many European countries. One of the main groups erecting them is Chabad Lubavitch, an organization that teaches that Gentiles are a lower and different species from Jews and that Gentiles’ entire purpose on earth is only to “serve Jews.”


    “700 ARRESTS POSSIBLE AT AGRIPROCESSORS; LARGEST IMMIGRATION RAID IN HISTORY; DRUGS AND WEAPONS VIOLATIONS ALSO ALLEGED (May 12, 2008) – Agriprocessors is owned and operated by members of the Chabad organization. ”


  19. #19 by The Prodigal Son on 12/19/2009 - 9:34


    Where did that sun you worship come from anyway ? Let me guess – ‘big bang’ ?

    I pray for you to receive the wisdom to believe in the Existing One.

    Do you have a Bible ? I found a couple of verses that made me think of you.

    “The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.”
    – Proverbs 1:7

    And this – written 500 years before Jesus’ birth:

    “‘Rejoice and be glad,(…) for behold, I am coming to you, and I will dwell in your midst’, says the Lord.”
    – Zechariah 2:14-15

    — — —


    Welcome back my friend… I am glad to see your words here again.

    The work by Nahida hits hard… very hard, Jalid. I don’t even know what to say. I have nothing. I can say I am sorry – so sorry ! But what good does that do you ?

    I don’t profess to have all the answers Jalid – some things are only for God to know at this time… Know this: If I could trade my life for the life of just one beautiful child of Palestine – I would.

    These words came to me, but they are not my words. I am but a fool Jalid ! A helpless fool ! Tell me what I can do – and if it is within my power, it will be done.

    “Thus says the Lord, ‘A voice of lamentation, weeping, and mourning was heard in Ramah.
    Rachel does not wish to cease mourning deeply over her children, because they are no more.’
    Thus says the Lord, ‘Let your voice cease from its bitter weeping and your eyes from tears, for there IS a reward for your works, and they shall return from the land of their enemies.
    There SHALL be an abiding home for your children.'”
    – Jeremiah 38:15-17

    The evil will be punished, and the wicked will BURN, Jalid. Take solace in this inevitable fact.

    “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because of which He annointed Me.
    He sent Me to proclaim good news to the poor, to heal the brokenhearted, to preach liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind;
    To declare the acceptable year of the Lord, the day of recompense, and to comfort all those who mourn.”
    – Isaiah 61:1-2

    Palestine WILL be free Jalid. We will see to it.

    — — —

    And Ray O Hope,

    I have a couple of lines for you too, to address your question…

    “These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.
    In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”
    – John 16:33

    “Indeed I will make those of the Synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie – indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.”
    – Revelation 3:9

  20. #20 by Amerikagulag on 12/20/2009 - 9:34

    I like the graphic, but at this time of year, I’ve always been fond of this on.

    Drives the point home just a little more strongly. Don’tcha think?

  21. #21 by Amerikagulag on 12/20/2009 - 9:34

    Ya know, it’s funny.

    All these anti-zionist types here quoting from the “bible” – the very book written by Jews to capture the minds, hearts and WALLETS of humanity.

    Do you think that ‘your’ holy war is better than ‘their’ holy war? How stupid is that?

    I don’t suppose it has occurred to you that both you and the zionists are using the SAME MATERIAL as support for your cause. Or has it?

    Stalin said, “The best way to control the opposition is to LEAD it.”

    The bible is what brought humanity to this point – because it has been looked upon as a historical document when it is NOT HISTORICAL. It is fable, myth, fabrication, forgery, falsehood – LIE.

    Perhaps you don’t see the irony in your rantings.
    You rail against the myth of “gods chosen’ yet you quote from the VERY SAME BOOK that gave humanity that myth in the first place, as though the lines YOU quote are somehow better than theirs. Are your trying to perpetuate the lies of the bible? Or do you only want to set up YOUR version? Think about it!

    Are you genuinely interested in lifting humanity from under the stone of the mental moonshine and mass moronism which this ‘religion’ has placed on us? If so, then you must see the religion and ALL SECTS related to it for what they are.

    You may continue to believe in these fables if you wish, but you’ll affect no profound change on humanity by it. You’ll never see the evil of this world destroyed by clinging to the same instruction book that brought us all this evil in the first place.

    YAHWEH is NOT GOD! It is a HEBREW TRIBAL DEITY. It is the god of MONEY. The god of GREED. The god of HATRED. The god of GOLD. The god of THIEVERY. The god of MURDER. When you quote the Bible, you acknowledge this god.

    Keep on quoting the Bible. Play right into their hands.

    Warm Winter Solstice to all.


  22. #22 by Amerikagulag on 12/20/2009 - 9:34

    anonymous December 19, 2009 at 2:28 am
    “In America it has become illegal to put a Christian cross on public ground; no symbol representing any aspect of the Christian religion is allowed.


    Indeed and that is as it should be. The Constitution of the United States declares a SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. The LAST thing any REAL American should want is a religious symbol giung up on PUBLIC GROUNDS. We are not a Theocracy. And we don’t want one.

    [“…But while crosses are banned from the White House and any public place, huge Jewish Menorahs are going up by the thousands all over the United States as well as in many European countries….”]

    You don’t provide proof for that or a link to photos. Nothing, just an empty claim. You imply that the menorahs are going up where christian crosses aren’t allowed. That is NOT TRUE. Religious symoblism is banned from PUBLIC places. (The places OWNED BY THE PEOPLE) Jews have lots of money and can put up huge menorah’s on their personal property til it suits them. They cannot do it on Public property.

    I noticed you’re linking to David Duke’s website, I suspect you’re referring to BURNING CROSSES. No?

  23. #23 by Jalid on 12/20/2009 - 9:34

    Americagulag, maybe they are pissed at the CONSPIRACY behind it.
    The Jews prefer a soul less, religion less nation so that they can infiltrate it better.
    i know you may say … why are you equating soul with religion?
    why are you equating decency and civility and humanity with religion?
    you are right!
    But it is the abusive manipulations we are talking about.
    You infiltrate a nation it to take over.
    You destroy it to rebuild it the desired way. their desired way.
    It is easier, i think.
    It is the conspiracy, the machination, the planning the evilness of it they are upset at.

  24. #24 by robertvnik on 12/21/2009 - 9:34

    You are often so insistant on the bible being a fraud yet give no proof or link to proof of your claims. The ‘bible fraud’ website would have at least been a starter for me to go on but even there I find empty claims. Of course you will make your usual claim to archeology not supporting the bible but my research shows otherwise. I wont give links here but the evidence is everywhere if we search.
    You also are quick to imply it was the jews who wrote the bible, the very bible which makes it clear who was most responsible(on an earthly basis) for the death of Jesus the annointed;– The jews. Why would jews bother with such a book in the first place if they hate Christ?
    Religion has indeed been used for political gain(evil purpose) throughout history but this does not make religion evil any more than a knife is evil just because knives have at times been used to stab people. Christianity has been used in the same way. So does this make christianity evil? No more evil than my kitchen drawer full of knives(and forks).
    Your claim of Yahweh being the god of money, greed, hatred etc shows a lack of understanding of the bibles message of Gods plan of salvation for all- yes even the jew. Throughout the bible love is the key that unlocks the door, but there is no place for unholiness in his sight.
    Do you really believe John Lennon was right when he dreamed of a world with no religion? Yet his days in the Beatles were heavily influenced by Allistair Crowley the Satanist. The devil himself wants you to believe there is no god.
    There is a holy war going on but it is love against selfishness.

  25. #25 by The Prodigal Son on 12/21/2009 - 9:34


    I assume you’re addressing me… You’re quite condescending you know ? You speak like you have it all figured out – but I must tell you in a nice way, as a friend to… you sound foolish !

    The Soviet style atheist brainwashing worked great on you, didn’t it ?

    The Bible WAS NOT written by ‘Jews’ !! There were NO ‘Jews’ until Judah, one of the sons of Jacob/Israel was born. The Hebrew speaking people before Israel and his son Judah, were never called Israel or ‘Jews’, and anyone who says they were ‘Jews’ – either IS a ‘Jew’… or ignorant.

    Do I think my war of truth is better than their war of deception ? Matter of fact, I do. People who have everything figured out – I guess – think that the pursuit of truth is stupid, but I must disagree.

    The fake ‘Jews’ of today refer to (Masoretic) ALTERED Old Testament Scriptures occasionally, but ONLY through the twisted eye of the Babylonian Talmud which they use to tell them what everything means. They believe the Tanakh alone has little value, and can only be interpreted by ‘rabbis’ through the Talmud.

    Stalin said that because he was one of them ! His REAL name was Joseph David Djugashvili, and during his ‘revolutionary’ days he briefly changed his name to ‘Kochba’ which was the name of the leader of the ‘Jews’ in one of their anti-Roman uprisings shortly after Christ’s time. He led Communist controlled Russia into forced state atheism (you’d like it there, eh?), and murdered millions of Christians – who died to hang on to what you have thrown away !

    The Bible has not brought humanity to this point – the fake ‘Jews’ have brought us here. Erroneous INTERPRETATIONS (many planted by fake ‘Jews’) of the Bible have led us here.

    I don’t rail against God’s chosen… I rail against the fake ‘Jews’ who SAY they are God’s chosen (but lie).

    As for quoting from the same book – well the Old Testament used today by the fake ‘Jews’ is actually NOT the same as the Bible I have ! The one they use has been changed to suit their line. The one I use is the Greek Septuagint which was used by all early Christians.

    Other than that, I quote mostly from the New Testament – which you won’t hear any fake ‘Jews’ doing any time soon !

    The evil WILL be destroyed – that is certain, friend.

    The fake ‘Jews’ of today do not have Y-H-W-H as their God… when they rejected Jesus Christ, they rejected Y-H-W-H as well. Their god now is Satan – who is the god of all false gods.

    The god of money, greed, hatred, thievery & murder is SATAN, the god of this age (John 16:11) – here on earth. If you read the Bible instead of talking about things you don’t know much about, it would be plain to you – as it is to me – that their god is NOT the God of the Bible.

    — — —

    BTW, separation of Church and state was SUPPOSED to keep the Church from INTERFERING with government matters and influencing politics. It was also supposed to keep the state from messing with religion – for the state NOT to interfere with religious EXPRESSION.

    And again, by being oblivious to the fact that there is a THIRTY FOOT MENORAH ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN RIGHT NOW (and not a Holy Cross to be seen anywhere!), you have shown your ignorance in all of these matters.

    You want proof ? I suggest you also read ALL of the articles on this site, as well as this one… HERE:


  26. #26 by Jalid on 12/21/2009 - 9:34

    Americagulag, here is a post by David at Real Zionist News, somewhat related to this matter,

    “They clearly have won the war. The White House is run by them, Hollywood, media, Pharmaceutical, insurance, Banking. All Jewish run white American companies have all been out sourced.
    The back bone of America has been effectively severed.
    1 in 4 American women have a serious sexually transmitted disease.
    50% of American youth are on food stamps.
    50% of Americans are on psychotropic medications.
    An estimated 60% are on or have taken illegal drugs.
    Now a majority of Americans shun their Lord and Savior.
    “So the Jew has effectively used Hollywood and the media and the pharmaceuticals and the govt to murder the minds of Americans. There can be no uprising to save America as Americans are already slaves to the Zionists. Americans have become the laughing stock of the world, yet so disconnected is the average American from reality that they believe they are still living in circa Nineteen fifty five.. While all around them their world crumbles. Most rather look the other way than to see the truth, for the truth is a slap in the face to them. We receive truth first by way of denial, which gives way to anger, and finally acceptance of the truth as fact. Most Americans do not get past the denial and anger stages because they are being programmed by the Media and the govt, thus most Americans can no longer discern the truth. Those who truly love the Lord Jesus Christ and follow His message can see truth for what it is without the stages of denial or anger for they already know the truth. America has turned it’s back on Jesus Christ and He no longer shines His light on them that do not accept Him and His Kingdom. Kudos to Brother Nathanael for his unending efforts to awake the sleeping giant, America.”

    I am not here promoting Brother Nathanael nor am I a Christian. What I am doing though is agreeing with the above because I wish America would SEE That too and
    Isra hell

  27. #27 by Jalid on 12/21/2009 - 9:34

    Americagulag, thanks
    I just saw that image in the link you provided above.
    Thats just so ….
    I dont know what to call it.
    but I agree, it Does
    Drive the point home just a little more strongly.

  28. #28 by Arabia-Felix on 12/22/2009 - 9:34

    Prodigal Son,

    You are the most sincere person i read on this site.

    There is an Arabic adage thet goes–

    What comes from the heart reaches the heart, what comes from the mouth only to the ears.

    There are some here who are applying the Frankfurt School principals on all truth.

    Don’t think they don’t know what they are doing.

    Kudos to you for holding on to your values and virtues,most
    of all to your faith.

    Merry Christmas.

  29. #29 by Amerikagulag on 12/22/2009 - 9:34

    Jalid and Prodigal son,

    The bible is only the ‘most popular’ book purporting to explain mans origins, but it fails miserably at every turn. It is full of conflicting stories and impossible claims. But there’s another ‘book’ which claims to have the answers to mans beginnings.

    Equally valid and I would add, considerably more logical are the Sumerian tablets of modern day Iraq. Neither is provable, nor verifiable.

    Recently, in South Africa, ancient stone structures covering a very large area have been Carbon dated. The only reason these sites could be dated was because many of the stones had cracked and the organic patina built up on the cracked area was enough to provide a date. Carbon dating places these stone structures back some 200,000 years. Interestingly, in the same area of South Africa are many defunct and very old gold mines.

    The Sumerian Tablets tell a story that an alien species came to this planet in search of minerals, namely gold. In order to successfully mine the gold, they created a race of slaves by manipulating the genetics of the existing primates already on the planet. Over time the slaves revolted against their overlords and the ‘gods’ were driven off.

    I do not advocate that man originated from a genetic manipulation on the part of an alien species, but it has more appeal than any supposed ‘god’ of the bible who has all the trappings of a self-centered human being in that ‘he’ is a jealous, angry, vindictive and wrathful deity. These are the products of mans imagination. And so is Genesis because we KNOW verifiably, that there were no Hebrews evicted from Egypt. It didn’t happen. There was no ‘wandering in the desert’. It didn’t happen. There was no ‘parting of the Red Sea’. It didn’t happen. There were no ‘walls around Jericho’. Jericho was an Egyptian vassal. It was not permitted to have walls. There was no ‘great kingdom of David’. He was a small tribal lord. The tribes of Judah and Israel competed for supremacy in the area until Judah was invaded from the north and Israel was free to ‘write the story’ to their liking placing themselves as more important, bigger, grander, richer and mor influential, than anything that was actually true. In short, the biblical stories are just that stories. Legends to unite a people. Wishful thinking, but a unifying force. Now, we have a fictitious beginning of Adam end Eve (after Lilith was usurped for being too feminist)
    Then we move on to the ‘new testament’. Another collection of re-written, pre-existing myths and legends from the surrounding civilizations. In case you weren’t aware, there are 16 crucified savior-god-men in the history of religion.

    Do some other reading sometime!

    But one of the best examples of the fabrication that went on in the writing of the ‘4 books’ is the story of Lazarus.

    Osiris is the Egyptian deity pre dating both Christianity and Judaism by millennia. Osiris was also called El Asarus. If you remove the “E”, you’ll find something familiar – lasarus = LAZARUS. He had 2 sisters also, Meri and Merti (Martha and Mary) Horus wept at the tomb of ElAsarus like Jesus wept at the tomb of Lasarus. Horus cried out “Come Forth” and El Asarus (Lazarus) came back to life. So did Jesus it seems. Coincidence I’m sure.

    The resurrection story in the bible cannot agree on who saw him first or who went to the tomb. The ascension story cannot even agree on where it took place.

    Jalid, I’m sorry to sound condescending. I haven’t “figured’ anything out. The proof that the bible is fairy-tale is widely available. The best proof is that there is NO PROOF for its claims. The information has been available for centuries. Only in the last century has it been seen in popular print due to the power of the ‘church’ blocking the release of this information.
    And let’s not even think about the inquisition.

    I’m not atheist either, Jalid. I DO believe in a unifying force. I just don’t believe the Bible, the Torah, the Talmud or the Koran understand it nor do they have any right to tell me what I ‘must’ believe. I don’t ‘’worship’ because my ‘god’ doesn’t have an ego that needs stroking unlike the biblical version. I don’t need to gather with others and go through rituals because my ‘god’ isn’t interested in that. Even the Buddha said it is not your rituals, fasting, prayers or sacrifices that matter. It is only the life you lead. Confucius said ‘you are what you think’. He also gave us the Golden Rule of “do unto others”. High spiritual and moral teaching pre-date the bible by many, many years.

    I advocate a “Human Brotherhood” devoid of dogma, unproven and fantastic claims that violate all the KNOWN laws of physics and are completely illogical from all angles. I advocate the ONE-ness of humanity in the knowledge of their common Source. The Source to which all spirit will return because it’s the LAW.
    When you tell a child Santa Claus is coming and they’d better be good, you rightfully understand that you do it only to keep the children in line. Your heart is warmed by the innocence and naiveté of the child. But when you go to a church, you see the exact same thing – dressed in adult clothing.

    Perhaps the ‘jews’ of today didn’t write the bible, but the fact remains, it contains LIES, FABRICATION, FALSEHOODS, FABLES, MYTHS with only a SMALL amount of actual history. To quote it as somehow valid in the present day knowing it’s flaws and lies leaves me unimpressed.

    The test of truth: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html

    When one statement contradicts another, one must be false. They may both be false, but one, by necessity must be false for they cannot both be true.

    Happy Winter Solstice to all. It is, after all, the REASON for the season.

  30. #30 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 12/23/2009 - 9:34

    Graig Bacon:

    I love the poem you post it about “‘Twas the night before Christmas,”. It says it all. Were you the author by any chance?
    Either way, thanks buddy!

  31. #31 by Amerikagulag on 12/23/2009 - 9:34

    [I don’t rail against God’s chosen… I rail against the fake ‘Jews’ who SAY they are God’s chosen (but lie).]
    Prodigal Son

    Dear Prodigal, I rail against ANY collection of nonsense that holds that ONE group of people are more valuable in the eyes of a deity (who created ALL people) than another. Indeed a god who plays favorites with it’s own creation is no god, but a selfish egotist. It was MAN’S ego that wrote this trash. There are no ‘chosen people’ unless you wanna BELIEVE there are. But believing it doesn’t make it so. All humans are ONE family. It is RELIGION that divides. Can’t you see that?

    A god who loves unconditionally doesn’t love ‘some’ just a little more. You’re speaking of human traits. And besides the “chosen ones” wrote it! Of course they will be the chosen. Don’t you realize that if the Germans had written the bible, the Germans would be the chosen people? See how it works? Write the book – you get the lead role!!
    The book was written by MEN, PS. It has all the markings of HUMANS. Heck, god even “WALKED” in the garden. Implying that god is subject to GRAVITY.

    Yes, I will rail against this mental moonshine and hogwash. ALL humans are my brothers and sisters. None are better, none worse. But you’re free to accept a division if you wish. I refuse to buy it tho.

  32. #32 by Arabia-Felix on 12/24/2009 - 9:34

    Field of Archeology is one more institution, entirely jewish controlled.

    The technical aspect of it is done by none jews, the explaining is done by Jews, all to FIT their perverted ways of thinking.

    if they don’t find enough “discoveries” to go around, they fake it,so to match it their already exisiting Theology.

    Check all the heads of archeological institutions around the world,and their talking heads on TV and so called archeological magazines,all jews, even in Egypt, Dr Hawas, a crpto Jew.

    “Aliens coming down looking for Gold” !!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  33. #33 by Amerikagulag on 12/24/2009 - 9:34


    You don’t believe the possibility of life outside this planet?

    I think to hold the opinion that earth is the only planet in the universe inhabited by intelligent life is incredibly egotistical. Man is just a speck of dust on a grain of sand on the beach of the universe.

    “…Aliens coming down looking for Gold…”
    I don’t say that’s how man came to be, but it’s plausible. Certainly more plausible than the bible. After all, we have currently mapped the human genome and are on our way to creating new life forms ourselves. H1N1 is a man made virus. AIDS is likely a man made virus. If we can create these bugs now, who is to say some other life form isn’t thousands of millenia ahead of us in technology? Or was where we are 200,000 years ago.

  34. #34 by Amerikagulag on 12/24/2009 - 9:34


    And the jews do hold high places in archaeology. Thankfully some of them are on the right side. Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman wrote “The Bible Unearthed” which has caused quite a stir because it dispels all the claims of the bible. Exodus, the wandering, the ‘great kingdons’, Moses, et al are all just fabricated. Excellent reading.

    Also Schlomo Sand’s “The invention of the jewish people” blow some serious holes in the story of the ‘chosen ones’.

  35. #35 by Arabia-Felix on 12/24/2009 - 9:34


    I know the existance of life behind this planet, not
    only believe it.

    As a Muslim i must believe in the existance of other forms
    of life beyond this earth.

    You know the being Jinn, as is the word genius, that comes
    from the Qur’an.

    Prophet Mohamad PBUH, met an envoy from an alien nation.
    An interesting story that you have no use for it anyway.

    i won’t bother you with it.

    What i am against is the total domanition of jews on Scientific and archelogical fields,and their efforts to always befit the findings on certain pre-existing ideological beliefs of theirs and trying to demolish others’ faith with it.

  36. #36 by Jalid on 12/24/2009 - 9:34

    Merry Christmas, Mark and Family.
    Your family at Home and your family here too at the Ugly Truth.
    Maybe next year we get to see the Peace Star crossing the night and that three magic kings show up at the iron doors of this little village, our planet.
    King Justice
    King Peace
    King Love.
    Maybe hope quits playing hide and seek with Reality.
    And it crosses that last line towards solid, euphoric manifestation.
    Happy birthday to you,

  37. #37 by Jalid on 12/24/2009 - 9:34

    I liked this one by you,
    I rail against ANY collection of nonsense that holds that ONE group of people are more valuable in the eyes of a deity (who created ALL people) than another. Indeed a god who plays favorites with it’s own creation is no god, but a selfish egotist …

    And this one here got me Twicking,

    “I don’t “worship” because my ‘god’ doesn’t have an ego that needs stroking unlike the biblical version. I don’t need to gather with others and go through rituals because my ‘god’ isn’t interested in that.”

    But what last night got me thinking is how did the big bang get the whole planet going around the sun so neatly? and how or who makes the little squirrel eat up on the tree branch while the little animals down on the ground are somehow guaranteed to get their food by picking up the crumbs that he unconciously drops? and the million other miracles that take place all over mother nature territories?
    The Creator, he Is amazing.

  38. #38 by Amerikagulag on 12/25/2009 - 9:34

    Jalid, Arabia-Felix, here’s the hope that “peace” may somehow penetrate the hard minds of humanity in the coming year; that the human species will embrace the truth of one-ness and cast aside their dividing ‘beliefs’ which have for so many years blinded them. It’s a hope, nothing more.

    Arabia-Felix, that Alien/Mohamad story sounds interesting, but it would not mend the deep divisions in humanity if if were to be attached still to religion.

    Jalid, I am astounded too by Creation. I find peace and unity walking in the woods. I find ‘God” there too. Remember the saying, “turn over a stone, I am there”. But my favorite is “be still and know”.

    Peace to all here at TUT, and hopes for a better new year.

  39. #39 by Lindsey on 12/26/2009 - 9:34

    One thing that MOST people you meet in the “general public” have absolutely no idea that Palestinian Christians are treated nearly as badly as the Palestinian Muslims. Daryl Bradford Smith of http://www.iamthewitness.com had an interview with the Bishop of Jerusalem a couple of times, and those interviews were very enlightening; in fact, Mark, I think that it would be very good to do an interview with Bishop Abu el-Asal. Here is the latest interview from almost a year ago now:

    [audio src="http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Riah%20Hanna%20Abu%20El-Assal/smith-bishop.p1.06-01-2009.mp3" /]

    [audio src="http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Riah%20Hanna%20Abu%20El-Assal/smith-bishop.pt2.06-01-2009.mp3" /]

    Anyone who is not “Chosen” is viewed in the very same way, and that is something that EVERYONE needs to realize, including those in the “East” who are being used as the next engine to be used against the “West” and I am referring SPECIFICALLY to the Chinese and the Hindu/Sikh Indians.


  40. #40 by robertvnik on 12/26/2009 - 9:34

    Amerikagulag you suprise me. You refer to carbon dating placing stone structures at 200,000 years old. Do a fair amount of research and you find that carbon dating has problems so big it is actually worthless for those who seek truth. Living mollusks in hawaii were carbon dated to be dead for 2,000 years. Most researchers with an agenda will get carbon dating tests done and use the results that suit their theory throwing out other results. Other dating techniques such as potassium argon or lead nitrate dating have problems too; none of them are truthfully accurate. The jewish zionists love it when people believe in these false science techniques because they take one further from truth.
    As for King David; in 1993 archeologists found a stone inscription in galilee refering to the ‘house of david’ and the ‘king of israel’.
    Later that year another scholar discovered the ‘house of david’ on the moabite stone known as mesha stela.
    Both these inscriptions are from about 100 years after david. Both imply he was more than just a shepherd head of family man.

  41. #41 by Arabia-Felix on 12/27/2009 - 9:34


    “that the human species will cast aside their dividing beliefs”!!.**

    “that it should embrace the (truth) in oneness”!!.

    You see Ameikagulag that it is easy to find out what is ailing
    the human specie??

    You just depicted a ood example of it.

    You wanted to destroy your carbon dating techniques with Prodigal son’s faith.

    You don’t stop there, you want to impose on the rest of us to just think as you do, otherwise NO PEACE on earth!!.

    Can’t you see that,i, as a muslim can coexist peacefully with the faith of Mr.Prodigal son and your concocted, Carbon dated faith??

    I don’t see harm in both. I think the world is wide enough for
    both your beliefs respectively, and mine, plus many, many more.

    And the Diety,the ne that favours one nation over the other!!.

    No, i for one do not know which diety is that you are talking about!!. Whom did it favour and for what it did, and when.

    I dont know about that.

    But if there are those who believe that God favoured them, they
    too can be my guest. I have no troubles towards that,so long as
    you don’t count me and the rest who do not want to be counted among those.

    One should be able to believe whatever one wills in his own community. That is the ultimate sovereignety.

    What is troubling the world is not the difference of faithes held by different people, to the contorary, that is enriching.

    What is troubling the world is those, secretive organized groups
    from a single faith,who never get tired of industrial killing the
    innocent and destroying the lives and the wealth of those who speak against them. Those who are criminally, illegally connected,transatlanticlly and world-wide.

    Those who want to impose on the rest their EVER CHANGING ways
    of beliefs and faith, built on supressing the free minds including their own followers’ freedom to think independently.

    And, those groups,never came from the Muslim faith, the Christian faith, the Hindu or Shintu faithes,not even from the Paganes. They come historically from one single faith,an that is
    the Judaic faith.

    The only religious group that claim to be from other faithes when they are not. The only one that likes to control everything.

    Peoples and faithes can coexist, peoples at times kill each other, to an extent; but never as INDUSTRIAL KILLING as the Judaic faith requires.

    You can see the communistic, sebversive ways of theirs every where — see the organizations they establish and subotagery ways of their dealings, examples are many and the new ones are
    even getting more vicious.

    Common Purpose is one that you need to look at.
    The political cousin of of the so called church of scientology.

    Implanting people in all institutions,and whomever criticises you, finnish his her life.This is only one organization among many, that violate all laws of the lands they operate and they get away with.

    One can argue that they get away with,that is because the western man is more interested in the little job and the little pay he has than to be free from such total control.

    I don’t remember who exactly was it, eaither Darkmoon or lalara Pandora (if they are two individuals), one of them warned us the
    commentators here by getting into troubles for criticising the
    mighty brotherhood,so to speak.

    I say SURE.

  42. #42 by Arabia-Felix on 12/27/2009 - 9:34


    You cn keep your Carbon-dated faith, i am not dismissing it,
    and you should not try to destroy with it Prodigal son’s Lazarus.

    Live with your faith, peacefully, ALONE, and with whomever joins there without coercion.

    Peace on earth.

  43. #43 by Arabia-Felix on 12/27/2009 - 9:34

    Barry Soetero aka Barak Obama killed recently over a hundred
    villagers of my Yemeni people that were minding their own business, jus to destabilze that nation.

    Barry is the only president that bad mouthed the Bible and at
    the same time was rewarded with the presidency of the U.S.of A.

    Can you Mr.Americagulag tell us as to which faith was he serving when he did that??

    We know it is not the Bible that he riduculed, it must be another.

  44. #44 by Amerikagulag on 12/28/2009 - 9:34

    Hey folks.
    Robertvnik, C14 does have its problems I know, I don’t say that’s what these stone structures arem but Iraq was writing a creation story when the ancient hebrews were still camping in the fields with their sheep like gypsies – long before they took others’ stories and rewrote them to suit their desires. Indeed so were the people of India. The Mahabharata talks of an ancient war, the weapons of which can only be described as nuclear. Humanity’s past is not contained in the bible. Genesis is a fictitious wish. Adam and Eve is NOT history and not even the Vatican will say that it is.

    I really have no use for the bible since it is full of contradictions. If the words can’t be trusted, because it was authored by an untrustworthy people. New Testament included.

    The Sumerian tablets talk of a proud abeit manipulated beginning of the human species, far from a manufactured deity who plays favorites towards it’s “creators”.

    I was born and raised catholic, recovering now, thankfully. I have absolutely no belief or sentiment for the fairy tale any longer. It serves no purpose today. It is an outrageously illogical story that creates more questions than it answers. Anyone is welcome to wait for a super hero to come floating down out of the sky but I find it useless and mentally wasteful.

    The Vatican is complicit with Israel. I would venture they get their marching orders from Israel. Why else would a nazi youth pope stand idly by while genocide is being committed in the ‘holy’ land? Indeed a peanut farmer (jimmy Carter) has spoken out more against this barbaric country than the Popes have for the last 50 years.

    Regarding beliefs in general – I do feel humanity desperately needs heros but not imaginary ones. If there is a ‘god’ that resembles the biblical version, it hasn’t performed to the expectations it’s own ‘book’ promises. It appears more and more like humanity has been duped by those who wrote it.

    There was, at one time, a golden grain of truth inside the husk, but humanity has been so deluded and gone so far afield that not only do they worship the husk, but are now worshiping the chaff.

    Muslims and Jews have for centuries lived together peacefully in many places. One in particular is Kashmir. It is a place that may surprise some to learn is reputed to be the burial place of ‘jesus’. One Jus Asaf.
    Also, in Pakistan is reputed to be the burial place of the ‘mother’ of this Jus Asaf, one Mari.

    I have my faith. I will reincarnate because it is the law. I am nowhere finished with ‘school’ as Jesus, Rumi, Ibn Al Arabi and Gautama were. I still have lessons to learn. We all do regardless of our beliefs.

    But there is far more logic in the doctrine of reincarnation than in the doctrine of Christianity. Logic is what the brain is good at. And the brain is a gift not to be wasted.

    Believe what you wish, but Isaiah won’t stop Tel Aviv from committing genocide. Neither it seems will Jesus. However it is absolutely certain that the perpetrators will need to work out some serious “Karma”.

  45. #45 by Amerikagulag on 12/28/2009 - 9:34


    I don’t pay much attention to Obama or the government in general. There is ONE party in the US, it has 2 faces. Currently the sights are on Yemen. Perhaps they’ve found some huge oil reserves there or it’s something that Israel wants.

    What BO may have said about or against the bible doesn’t interest me because that all a political ploy. Just lip service designed to divide the nation.

    That’s just me Arabia-Felix. I’m not speculating on hidden intentions of politicians. Go for it! 😉

  46. #46 by Arabia-Felix on 12/29/2009 - 9:34


    If you can reincarnate yourself,it is all fine with me.

    Go for it and do it. I wish you the best of luck.

    However, when you speak of logic (of whichever way you define it), and accuse other believers of different religions than your own don’t have it, but you do; that tells me that your religion is based on the faults of other religions,it depends on those religions, and, their demise is a completion of your faith.

    raised as a Catholic? I take your word for it, though i know
    many crypto jews were “raised” catholics.

    I personally never met an arrogant catholic, they do exist though, don’t they.

    And you sure know that Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully in many places in the past. TRUE. My country was one of them, for over 1400 years.

    You are neglecting one important factor of that peace, and that is because Muslims were in charge.

    Power is hazardous when jews have it.

  47. #47 by robertvnik on 12/30/2009 - 9:34

    Thanks for responding and I actually find your comments good value.
    One thing though, you say you were raised catholic. Well I wasn’t, yet have plenty of catholic freinds. Most catholic people seem to me just as decent as any other people. However history shows that perhaps the greatist persecutor of christians has been the catholic church. Never have I considered the pope to be the head of christianity in any way.
    Books and internet articles abound telling of the Roman catholic involvment with setting up the new world order. Since it was set up the society of jesus(jesuits) has weilded much power in the catholic church. Many scholars claim the jesuits are the ones who control the whole banking system as well as the illuminati and some even suggesting the jews themselves are in submission to the jesuits.
    I dont know for sure exactly the truth regarding these matters but can easily see how one can become dissollusioned with christianity considering it all and also the corruption and naiivity in the protestant churches. Dissolusion has come to me also but not with Jesus Christ so much as dissolusion because of my fellow man and even my own failings.

  48. #48 by Amerikagulag on 01/04/2010 - 9:34

    Arabia-Felix December 29, 2009 at 3:03 a

    My goodness Felix! I’ve known many many catholics in my lifetime and not one of them was a “crypto-jew”. That’s not to say they don’t exist, but certainly not in the mainstream circles of the religion as they’d have nothing to gain by hiding. Though, I have my suspicions about Ratzinger. Please be assured that I have no interest in the phony religion of the jewish people. I am no ‘crypto’ as you put it, in fact I am better known as a HERETIC and quite proud of it.

    I’m free now. The church has no power over my soul and it never did. God is FREE! No doctrines required! 😉


    When I finally left the church, I was a musician and played for over 10 years in the church.
    I told the Priest, “I just can’t do this any more.”
    He asked, “Why not”,
    I said, “with all that’s gone on in the world these last 30 years and with what’s happening now in Palestine, I don’t want to hear ‘Blessed be Israel’ for the rest of my life”.
    He responded, “I understand”.

    His response surprised me, but it’s his job. Personally I don’t know kind of power the Jesuits wield, but I imagine it’s significant. The Opus Dei’s are an even more dangerous cult. All I know is biblical brainwashing doesn’t work on me any more.

  49. #49 by Amerikagulag on 01/04/2010 - 9:34

    robertvnik December 30, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    “…can become disillusioned with Christianity considering it all and also the corruption and naivety in the protestant churches….”

    Robertnvik, I became disillusioned when I discovered that the biblical story of Jesus is a re-write of older stories. If a person named Jesus existed (and the jury is still out), he was not GOD as no man can be God. The entire story is one of copies of older source material, Bachus, Attis, Osiris, Zorosatrian and even Hindi, et al. It is no coincidence.

    Nazareth didn’t exist until the 4th century. And when it was discovered, archaeologically, that the biblical stories were fictitious, that sealed its fate for me. It was never the people or the politics. But also that the four gospels rarely agree on their details.

    I don’t have a problem with religious people. It’s religions telling people that THEIRS is the ONE TRUE FAITH and all others are wrong. I grew up on that egoism.

    Personally I like Ambrose Bierce’s definition of scripture from “The Devil’s Dictionary”. Sums it up rather well.

    SCRIPTURE: n. The Sacred books of ‘OUR HOLY RELIGION’, as distinguished from the false and profane writings upon which all the other beliefs are based.

    Well here’s hoping 2010 is better then 2009 and that the land of Palestine experiences justice and peace.
    All the best to all the best here at TUT.

  50. #50 by Amerikagulag on 01/05/2010 - 9:34

    Arabia-Felix and robertvnik,
    I responded to both of you, but not sure why the comments haven’t appeared yet.

  51. #51 by Arabia-Felix on 01/05/2010 - 9:34


    Ha HA HAA, indeed you made me laugh out loud.

    “and the priest said i understand”!!

    I don’t know what to make of it.

    And you would still insist he wasn’t a Crypto J.

    BTW, everyone shall have the right to think that his/her
    religion is the TRUTH.

    It doesn’t harm my faith if you think that your religion is
    the TRUTH. It just doesn’t.

    And you wouldn’t think yours is less of a religion if i think
    MINE is the ultimate Truth.

  52. #52 by Jalid on 01/07/2010 - 9:34

    “I’m free now. The church has no power over my soul and it never did. God is FREE! No doctrines required!”

    that was an
    ass kicker, americagulag
    but i would like to add
    No doctrines required to be a good human.

  53. #53 by Amerikagulag on 01/08/2010 - 9:34


    “…No doctrines required to be a good human….”

    With all due respect Jalid, I can only half agree on that, and to explain, I must cite the US’s (and Israel’s among others) insistence that TORTURE is justified; that indefinite detention without charge is justified; that murder of innocent children and civilians is justified; that genocide against an indigenous population (Palestinians and Native Americans) is justified; that the use of Depleted Uranium is justified. The list is long.

    It would appear there are certain doctrines that a person or a ‘people’ must follow in order to be good human beings and it really has very little to do with religion. As Confucius taught us, “Do unto others….” because it’s RIGHT.

    It’s just that access to God requires no ‘club card’.

    The priest’s was 100% Italian. I don’t know if he is a crypto and now it doesn’t make a difference to me. But my guess is that Christianity, via Rome, gets it’s marching orders from Zionist Israel, as evidenced by the fact that they never utter a word against the ‘chosen ones’.

    Agreed, everyone has the right to ‘believe’ theirs is the one true faith, but no one has the right to obstruct others from believing the same thing, or to harm them for it, ie. the Catholic inquisition, the witch hunts in the early US, and of late, the ‘kill the infidel’ attitude of the radical Muslims and of course the US’s agenda against Muslims.

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