On This Veterans Day, Remember the USS LIBERTY


Of all the American fallen who will be remembered on this solemn and somber day, there are 34 who will not (at least officially speaking) and it is those men who were killed aboard the USS LIBERTY when it was deliberately and brutally attacked by Israel for over 2 hours on June 8, 1967

Below are photos rarely seen before detailing the damage that took place that day. Our great thanks to Dennis Eickleberry who served aboard the LIBERTY and sent these pics in.








  1. #1 by S. H. Pearson on 11/12/2010 - 8:34 pm

    Roger that.

  2. #2 by Noor al Haqiqa on 11/12/2010 - 8:45 pm

    Two years ago around the anniversary I did 3 or 4 posts on this story. I was amazed by the lack of interest although the one mentioning Jim Morrison’s father in the title got a few peeks.

    I posted never before seen photos because I had stumbled across a private journal so I know I was offering something new.

    What amazed me most was it took DECADES for the man who repaired the radio system and saved the boat and survivors was MAILED his Purple Heart decades later! The new local Government rep was shocked and gave Terry a small public ceremony but that was it.

    The survivors keep in touch and still have gatherings to remember their fallen comrades and keep up with each other.

    Heck, I am Canadian and I am more interested than most Americans!

  3. #3 by Tommy on 11/12/2010 - 11:11 pm

    …and decades later…
    9/11 and Israel, here:

  4. #4 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/12/2010 - 11:16 pm

    I did not find any US flag in these photographs. They are really stunning!

    Where are all the footage taken when the planes were flying over the USS Liberty for several hours since very early morning until the attacks took place?

    Who can give us a link regarding the team of some 30 journalists who were present on the America (armed with nuclear devices) of the Sixth Fleet?

    There was much cover-up by the Survivors themselves due to threats and blackmail by their superiors.

    Where can we find information regarding the Satellite connections of the USS Liberty with the NSA and with the Sixth Fleet (that Israel could not jam unless LBJ had made it possible) !

    Can anybody provide us with the spy planes’ report that were flying over the USS Liberty during, before and after the attacks?

    I have not yet read Tourney’s book, but I do not think these would have been mentioned in it!

    I have lost my old notes on the USS Liberty and the Soviet Agreement with the US and Israel not to intervene in the planned US-Israeli operation.

    If anybody believes that the US were ARMED AND READY to fight a nuclear war against the Soviets in June 1967, he should consult a non Jewish shrink!

    When LBJ had called the rescue back, the only plausible reason was because Israel did not accomplish their mission as planned! Had LBJ been informed that the job was successful, he would never have recalled the rescue!

    Anybody who disagrees, please, give me a better explanantion, but no messing about? THIS IS NOT A JOKE!

    I pointed out to the many LIES of Alan Hart and nobody challenged them!

    That Day of Infamy did not prevent most Americans to support the genocidal policies of their country around the globe! How could they trust America after this treachery unique in World History?

    Many thanks for these high quality photographs!


  5. #5 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/12/2010 - 11:21 pm

    Noor al Haqiqa says:
    November 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    “Two years ago around the anniversary I did 3 or 4 posts on this story.”

    Could we, please, have the links to those posts?




  6. #6 by Joe Cortina on 11/12/2010 - 11:29 pm

    Every time I see thes pics I get a knot in my gut. I am so damn sick to death of this Good Jew, Bad Jew – bullshit – or – Jews Good – Zionists bad – bullshit – I could barf my lunch.

    Tell you what I will offer. Any of you Jew bastards out there who were involved in this massacre of American sons and fathers and brothers and friends – have I got such -a- deal for you boobie!

    I’m not a rich guy – and since you Jews caused our economy to implode – I lost my business – but I got a couple of bucks saved up.

    Here is the deal. If any of you murdering sadistic criminals thugs were carrying a Zionist party card in your wallet during the attack – by air or by sea – and can prove it – just send me an offcial notarized copy – with date time proofs and photgraph of said veteran – and I will send you a hundred US dollars. This is NOT a joke.

    Joe Cortina

  7. #7 by a Jew "bastard" on 11/13/2010 - 1:25 am

    “After the war erupted, due to concerns about her safety as she approached her patrol area, several messages were sent to Liberty to increase her allowable closest point of approach (CPA) to Egypt’s and Israel’s coasts from 12.5 nmi (14.4 mi; 23.2 km) and 6.5 nmi (7.5 mi; 12.0 km), respectively, to 20 nmi (23 mi; 37 km) and 15 nmi (17 mi; 28 km), and then later to 100 nmi (120 mi; 190 km) for both countries.[12] Unfortunately, due to ineffective message handling and routing, the CPA change messages were not received until after the attack.[12]

    According to Israeli sources, at the start of the war on June 5, General Yitzhak Rabin (then IDF Chief of Staff) informed Commander Ernest Carl Castle, the American Naval Attaché in Tel Aviv, that Israel would defend its coast with every means at its disposal, including sinking unidentified ships. Also, he asked the U.S. to keep its ships away from the shore or at least inform Israel of their exact position.[13][14] With the Liberty in international waters and gathering intelligence, the United States did not provide any information about its location.”

    so Joe….explain to me where the blame lays with Israel?…..it was the Americans who never told Israel where the ship was…it was a communication breakdown between the US and the US ship that caused the ship to be way to close to the contested area….All Israel did was exactly what they said they would do…they requested information on all US ships in the area so this kind of thing wouldn’t happen…and the US dropped the ball…..so take your “Jew hating” ass and go fuck yourself

    –note from me, MG–nice try, “bastard”. So let me get this straight–we are supposed to take your pathetic rebuttal based upon the testimony of Israeli investigations that include Rabin, who was chief of staff at the time? Man, it’s no wonder you people are treated like nutcases everywhere you go.

    Try this one out, Pollard–Your country surveilled the LIBERTY for a full SIX HOURS at low altitude and lumbering speeds, close enough to the deck of the ship that the LIBERTY crew could see the scummy yellow teeth of your scummy yellow comrade pilots. 6 HOURS, so don’t give us this BS about LIBERTY being “in the wrong place at the wrong time” and your country not knowing where she was. It was your country’s intention to MURDER all 300 on board that day, blame it on Egypt and get good ol’ Uncle Sam fighting your goddamned wars for you, just as we are doing now, so you can take your Jewish lies, shove them up your Jewish ass and go straight to Jewish hell where you belong.

  8. #8 by Lydia D. on 11/13/2010 - 2:21 am

    Eternal rest, grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them.

    May they rest in peace.


  9. #9 by Lydia D. on 11/13/2010 - 2:42 am

    Not to mention that Israel forces deliberately scrambled the signals of communication from the USS Liberty to foil ANY type of attempt at alerting anyone of their distress.

    NO this was a deliberate attack. Nice try, liar.

  10. #10 by Ladybat2 on 11/13/2010 - 3:28 am

    Murdered in cold blood. Our own service men. I only learned the story of the USS Liberty in recent years. A few years after 9-11 I read about it. Like most other Americans I was having a hard time accepting exactly how low our own government could go. I never wanted to believe our government being directly involved in the 9-11 attacks. It was just to much to take in. Out of my reach of understanding. Then I became fully educated on the story of the Liberty. What our government allowed to happen to our own boys our own service men. What our government tried to and did cover up for the Nazi state of “israel”.

    After reading the whole story of the Liberty something inside me just broke. I knew then that its true. There is nothing our government will not do for “israel”. Even sacrificing the lives of our military people and even our own civilian people. Because if our government would allow israel to do this to the Liberty and even cover up for “israel’s crimes then what else would our government do for the sake of “israel”?

    This means that none of us are safe. When its your own government and its “ally” that are the REAL TERRORISTS then that means none of us are safe. Because how can you protect yourself from your own government? How could these sailors have protected themselves from their own government? How could they even have known they would even have to protect themselves in the first place?

    God bless the men of the USS Liberty. Both the dead and the survivors, thank you to the survivors for telling the truth so that we could all know where we truly stand in the United States of America.

  11. #11 by Ladybat2 on 11/13/2010 - 4:40 am

    To the poster called “a Jew “bastard” (self proclaimed no doubt because he feels sorry for himself so results to calling himself names that he cannot get others to call him so he’ll have a reason to whine the ANTI SEMITE whine. bla bla bla bla…He probably sowed yellow stars on his own shirts too just to make sure THAT LEST WE EVER FORGET… bla bla bla bla…)

    Here is what I have to say about your post….

    I don’t give a rats petunia why our ship was in that place when it was. I don’t give a rats petunia if “israel” felt “afraid”.

    Your ,”israel” homeland for the Jew and the Jew only, would not even exist in the first place if it were not for the United States of America! So our boat had every damn right to be any damn place in that ocean it felt like being in! And when our boat was there your “israel” should have rolled out the red carpet for it! Should have put up welcome signs all over the ocean for it. SHOULD HAVE BOWED DOWN ON ITS KNEES TO OUR NAVAL VESSEL or to any other AMERICAN ship or military vessel or machine that may have been any where close to your “israel” because WE OWN ISRAEL! NOT YOU AND YOU DO NOT OWN US! WE OWN YOU! AND ITS ABOUT TIME YOU ZIONIST JEWS REALIZE THAT!

    And do you know why Mr. self proclaimed “jew bastard”?

    Because all it will take is for America to turn on your “israel”. I don’t mean just stop being your friend. I mean really becomming your enemy. Because its one thing to have us just give you the cold shoulder and ignore you, oh yes, you better hope that is ALL we do is just stop being your “FRIEND”. But its another thing entirely to have us become your actual ENEMY. Because if and when we decide to do that Mr. “jew bastard”…. That is the day your, “israel” homeland for the Jew and the Jew only, will no longer exist. One word from us to the rest of the world and ISRAEL HOMELAND FOR THE JEW AND THE JEW ONLY WILL NO LONGER EXIST!

    Do not make the mistake of thinking that could never happen because its not far from that very thing happening now. American people are so sick and tired of your “israel” and so outraged at our government’s relationship with your “israel”. You think because your “israel” has nukes its safe? HA! THINK AGAIN ZIONIST!

    America can squeeze the life out of Israel in a matter of days. With out even having to use any WMDs to do it.

    All we have to do is cut you off from the world and tell the world to cut you off.

    And you no longer exist. Because you have NO OTHER FRIEND IN THIS WORLD BUT US!

    So the next time you see an article like this one here that is about remembering the heroes of the USS Liberty you better just bow your head in humbleness over it like the rest of us. You better give our servicemen the respect! And if you don’t have the decency to at least OFFER AN APOLOGY for what your dispicable “homeland for the Jew only” did to our Naval boat and our boys on that boat then you should at least not insult the memory of our sailors aboard that boat! Because what you are saying here in your post is that they are liars. I take issue with you calling our service men liars!



    Since we float your entire “state”. Since we have been your only friend in the whole world. Since your pathetic state would not even exist right now if it were not for us, because the Arabs would have already kicked every one of your asses out had it not been for America getting involved and taking your side, like the idiots we have always been WHERE ISRAEL IS CONCERNED, you exist because we ALLOWED you to exist.

    And so when you zionist Jews have the gall to dare insult the memory of our service men like you just did in here it really makes me sick to my stomach!


    And don’t you ever forget that!

  12. #12 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 11/13/2010 - 4:49 am


    Thanks for your post about Veteran’s Day.. I was happy that I served the country I love for 20 years. It was a learning and rewarding experience for me.

    As far as the the USS Liberty Massacre and those sailers who were slaughtered or injured in that unprovoked attack, I will say, justice delayed is justice denied. Each one of us have a role to play in keeping the issue on the front burner, until justice is served to the victims and their family.

    Before I forget, welcome back Ladybat2

    Speaking of Veteran’s Day, I would like to share this story about the price of insulting a veteran in my home town. Think about what the punishment should be if you delibrately murdered or maimed one.

    This is a true story or rather a bizzare one that happened to me yesterday on Veteran’s Day.

    My oldest son drove me to work around 11:00 am. On our way, we
    stop at Speed Way gas station to pick up and a pack of cigarette and coffee for us.
    I insist that he goes in with me, so I could show him off. All the staff at the station met all of my kids except him.

    As I waking to the clerk to pay, I simply said, hey, today is Veteran’s Day, do we get free coffee. The lady whom I never spoke to before looked at me puzzled and said, ” which war have your served in?” After I answered her question, she proceeded to ask me another question. This time, she asked, “which side were you on.” Having my US Air force cap on, I responded by saying, ” I can’t f**king believe it you asked me this stupid question.”

    At that point the clerk who was in her late 30s walked away from me and did not finish the transaction. I said, I will pay for this damn coffee.

    Few hours later, I called their customers service from my work. I did file a complaint, told the person on the phone that they have lost my business after 13 years. The lady on the line was curious and asked for the reason. After going with her over the encounter, I demanded that the company should take disciplinary action, and to notify me in writing regarding the course of action.

    After work, I walked with my youngest son to the gas station across the street to find her name and to buy my son a treat. The manager met me inside, apologized and said, I don’t want to lose you as a customer. The lady you inquired about get fired on the spot today and no longer work with us. The end of the story.

    If that was not bigotry, I do not know what it is. I really felt like some one slap me on the face. Worse, it sounded like profiling after I thought about it. Any way, I hope this bigot would learn her lesson.

  13. #13 by restinpieces on 11/13/2010 - 7:23 am

    Hang Pollard. Hang Madoff. Nuke Israel!

  14. #14 by Dave on 11/13/2010 - 9:14 am

    Time for some payback!!!!

  15. #15 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/13/2010 - 11:24 am


    “Try this one out, Pollard–Your country surveilled the LIBERTY for a full SIX HOURS at low altitude and lumbering speeds, close enough to the deck of the ship that the LIBERTY crew could see the scummy yellow teeth of your scummy yellow comrade pilots. 6 HOURS, so don’t give us this BS about LIBERTY being “in the wrong place at the wrong time” and your country not knowing where she was. It was your country’s intention to MURDER all 300 on board that day, blame it on Egypt and get good ol’ Uncle Sam fighting your goddamned wars for you, just as we are doing now, so you can take your Jewish lies, shove them up your Jewish ass and go straight to Jewish hell where you belong.”


  16. #16 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/13/2010 - 11:29 am

    D Costa says:
    November 13, 2010 at 3:13 am


    “You know what I find most offensive about Alan Hart? It is the way he panders to his “Jewish friends”.”

    I have read and heard him so many times sucking up to the Jews (including Golda Meir) and worrying about them, or relating the special relatioships he had with Israeli military and Intelligence!

    This was enough for me to suspect him, too much not to suspect him!


    GOD bless you, dear!


  17. #17 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/13/2010 - 12:13 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 13, 2010 at 4:48 am

    “Joe Cortina is a no – nonsense man–the kind we need in our congress and White House and police departments and in every government office.”


    “BAFS, you referred to “lies of Alan Hart”. Did he lie about USS Liberty bombing or was it something else?”

    I promised myself not to write on The Ugly Truth what I know and found out about the USS Liberty because I did not want to offend Phillip Tourney and the others (any further), but the truth has to be told one day or the other.

    We are always repeating the number of dead (34) of the USS Liberty sailors, ‘ordinary’ staff, and spying agents, but every single morning when I open my mails, I find scores of innocent people being killed by the US soldiers with the help of their spies and I would be a hypocrite to stress only those 34 deads who WERE FULLY ENGAGED IN MILITARY OPERATIONS WITH THE ISRAELIS AND AGAINST THE ARABS !

    It was only because it was LBJ’s Satanic Jewish plan to SACRFICE them that the Survivors were considered victims! If they had all died, the Arabs and Muslims would have been blamed (like on 9/11). WHO among the western journalists (Alan Hart did not say how many there were and where they were stationed at the time of the attacks!) would have reported IT WAS NOT THE ARABS BUT THE BLOODY JEWS?

    So, for the past forty years, my perspective has always been from the Arab and Muslim stand point. It was only when I started writing here that I HAD TO make concessions because of Mark Glenn, Plillip Tourney and others, MY ADOPTED NEW FRIENDS AND BROTHERS, but WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE TRUTH as I knew it.

    Isn’t it strange that we hear (I heard) of no western journalist reporting on the Arab side? Why? Because the western media (I am SURE they were assembled on the America warship!) was in favour of the cowardly US-Israeli attacks on the Arabs in order to conquer more Arab lands after their Suez Canal Plan had failed, thanks to Khruschev.


    When we concentrate exclusively on the USS Liberty victims, we minimise the role of the US in the ATTACKS ON THE ARABS! This is falsifying history! El Arif (?) was to be taken INTACT and used to launch attacks on the Arabs by both the US and Israel had the USS Liberty Operation succeeded!

    The Arabs never had any army or weapons to fight the Jews. Did we not see that it took Israel only a couple of hours to destroy the entire Egyptian aviation ! (How did they manage not to destroy completey the USS Liberty reamisn to be answered!) Egypt recruited mostly peasants when they were convinced the Jews would attack them, and had useless Soviet weaponry because the West had refused to arm them!

    If I can only find a link and prove the sxistence of those journalist prostitutes who were on THE AMERICA at that very moment in 1967 (unless I imagined them!), I can conclude my research.

    But, I am still waiting for somebody to come forward with this vital information. Several weeks ago, I asked a few questions here regarding this matter, and I was greeted with total silence. I repeated a few of them here. We’ll see.



  18. #18 by S. Baxxerzy on 11/13/2010 - 4:58 pm

    A day that will live in infamy. It will not be forgotten. The web is weakening the censorship and mind control of the folks that perpetrated this crime.

  19. #19 by Ladybat2 on 11/13/2010 - 6:21 pm

    Hi Mahmoud! Glad to see you again too.

    The experience you had with that female bigot was shameful. But remember, there was once a time in America when people like her could have done that and even worse and no action what so ever would have been taken against them for it. So I guess we can be thankful that we Americans have evolved some. Even if it has taken us way to long to. And even if we do still have a long way to go my friend.

  20. #20 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/13/2010 - 9:34 pm

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    November 13, 2010 at 4:49 am

    “I was happy that I served the country I love for 20 years.”

    Born in a colony, I started by loving our Catholic nurse, our Hindu mid-wife, my people and country, my people, democracy, and hating the White racists including my White racist teachers, the White paedophile priest of our local Catholic Church, my French White paedophile neighbour, celebrating Christmas, mixing and socialising with Hindus, Catholcis and Hindus, playing Red Indians and Cow-Boys, loving John Wayne’s films and Hindustani films.

    When I woke up, at about 22, I suddenly realised how racist the Catholic Church was, how they used to keep slaves, that my country was only a client-state of the British and French and that we were still living in slavery, that our leaders from all religious and genetic backgrounds were all corrupt, how bad the French, English and Americans have been for centuries, that Christmas on the 25th of December was a pagan celebration that had nothing to do with Jesus Christ, that the Encyclopaedia Britannica could not be trusted, that democracy was synonymous with fascist totalitarian dictatorship, THAT I NEEDED TO UNLEARN ALL THE CRAP THE PUBLIC SCHOOL HAD PUT IN MY HEAD!

    So, I never had any love for France, England or America although I was brought up into a Western Culture that was not mine and forced to learn two foreign languages that were not mine! I therefore, as a free adult (as free as one can be under a totalitarian capitalist regime), NEVER LOVED OR SERVED MY HOMELAND, AND NEVER WILL because I grew up being a “patriot” of the world, but of no particular country, a Muslim of the Universe, but not of a particular nationality or Sect!

    This very afternoon, I met an old Muslim friend who was telling about a young Muslim girl who stabbed a British Member of Parliament, a personal friend of his, because the MP had voted for the war against Muslims! He told me she got a life sentence and that she used to listen to Sheikh Awlaki’s tapes! He seemed very satisfied with the sentence.

    I asked him what do you make of our right of self defence when Britain is bombing our people, putting our youths in jail for no crime committed, demonising our religion in the media, in Churches, and at the highest levels of national and local government, inciting religious hatred and INCITING TO VIOLENCE! He was not interested because he votes Labour, loves and collaborates with the government, runs a Muslim “Charity”, in brief, HE IS AN ENEMY OF MUSLIMS AND ISLAM!

    I would like US Air force Mahmoud El-Yousseph to answer my questions about the USS Liberty. Pr Howard Zinn admitted that as a bombardier he bombed people and never saw who they were.


  21. #21 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/13/2010 - 9:41 pm

    If this is of any interest, the US government had executed many US soldiers in Vietnam because they refused to obey orders or were against the war! This information has been hidden to the public.

    The US government has been executing many US soldiers who refused to obey orders in the Iraq-Afghanistan genocidal wars or who were against the war. They have all been passed as SUICIDES!

    A soldier never commits suicide UNLESS HE IS MAD!

  22. #22 by mantiqaltayr on 11/13/2010 - 10:38 pm


    These pictures are priceless. Thank you for this.

  23. #23 by Phillip f Tourney on 11/14/2010 - 1:04 am

    “Bastard” you are as guity of MURDER of Americans on the high seas as ISRAEL is. Make you happy?

  24. #24 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/14/2010 - 1:10 am

    Ladybat2 says:
    November 13, 2010 at 3:28 am
    “… thank you to the survivors for telling the truth so that we could all know where we truly stand in the United States of America.”

    Are you sure you NOW know the whole truth about the USS Liberty? And, what about the murder of Arabs and of POWs on that same occasion and the theft of Palestinian and Syrian lands, including Jerusalem?


  25. #25 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/14/2010 - 2:24 am

    Phillip f Tourney says:
    November 14, 2010 at 1:04 am

    “Bastard” you are as guilty of MURDER of Americans on the high seas as ISRAEL is. Make you happy?

    Criminal Jews and Israelis have NO CONSCIENCE!

    Americans need to take back the Jewish Federal Reserve Bank and get rid of AIPAC and ADL once for all. They represent the Fifth Column in America. As long as they exist, Israel will always display such arrogance! Without money, they can’t buy the FBI and CIA anymore to do their dirty jobs!


  26. #26 by Ladybat2 on 11/14/2010 - 5:10 am

    B.A.F. S. said..

    “Are you sure you NOW know the whole truth about the USS Liberty? And, what about the murder of Arabs and of POWs on that same occasion and the theft of Palestinian and Syrian lands, including Jerusalem?”–BAFS

    I know every thing there is to know about Palestine sir. I’ve been married to a DISPLACED Palestinian for 18 years. The European Khazar colonists, who refer to themselves as Jews, stole hundreds of acres of land from our family. When these “victims of Hitler” were forced on the Palestinian people, after WW2 and then they SELF DECLARED their own state ON TOP OF PALESTINE, they also declared all land deeds and property titles of the Palestinian people NULL AND VOID.

    My Palestinian family is one of millions of Palestinian families that has the same story to tell.

    Oh yes, I know the zionazi “israelis” very well sir. And I am fully aware that they have conned my government of the United States of America to use our hard earned tax dollars and our good name to do to the Palestinian people the same things, and EVEN WORSE THINGS, than the Nazis did to the Khazar Jew converts of Europe.

    There is nothing you can tell me about these European colonist Khazar Jew converts that I do not already know.

    But I am still an American. Palestine is my spouse and America is my mother. I will defend both. I love both.

    And the way I see it…. these horrid zionists have and still are attacking both.

    Because they have infected America every bit as bad as they have infected Palestine.

  27. #27 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 11/14/2010 - 5:27 am

    BAFS says:

    The issue at hand is to remembering the USS Liberty on Veteran”s Day. By doing so, you are not diminishing the crimes committed against Arabs, Muslims, POW, and the theft of Arab lands.

    It is on the contrary, you are exposing the same criminals who committed war crimes against American forces in international water.

    To answer your question about what I think about the USS Liberty, I did mention it many times in my writing over the years, even before the the internet was invented. For the sake of time,

    Here is the link to one of them.

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph: Wake Up, You Live in America!

    If you seem to be amazed by the fact that I served the country I love, don’t be brother.We both come from different background and have different experience. You are not less French for not serving in that country’s military.

    I have been treated with dignity and respect in America. Unlike where I lived in Europe for many years, or where I grew up in the Middle East. And yes, I did earn my citizenship here.

    Believe it or not brother, America is more Muslim friendly than any other country on earth. And I am not talking about our government or about our stinking foreign policy. Here is two point just in making the case:

    A- When the current prime minister of Turkey could not find a college in his own country where his daughter could wear her hijab, where did he send her to study? America!

    B- When these lunatics Taliban cut the nose and the ears of young Afghani women after she asked for divorce, where did she go for medical treatment , get new nose and ears and looked as beautiful as before she was mutilated? Once again America.

    After seeing this young Muslim lady’s picture on the cover of the Time magazine, it just gave me the creep. I couldn’t stand it looking at her picture and what those savages did to her for more than few seconds.

    Just remember, America is the only country that you can love and disagree with. Let’s give credit where credit is due!

    Hope I answered your question.

    By the way, does anyone know what happened to the Jewish princess, Ruth Bernstein?
    Hope she is alive. I did miss her sense of humor.

  28. #28 by Ladybat2 on 11/14/2010 - 5:28 am

    I would like to make a request here please. Any and all posters in here that are fully educated about the attack on the USS Liberty… I want your opinions please.

    What the poster B.A.F.S. is saying… that the Liberty was fully intending to attack the Arabs along side with Israel and Russia. I have never ever heard this theory before. I always understood that the Liberty was sent there to keep an eye out on what Israel was doing.

    I need to know. Is that theory true? Was the mission of the USS Liberty really to carry out an attack upon any or all of the Arab states and would have done so had Israel not disabled it?

    Okay then if this theory of B.A.F.S is true then why would Israel attack the Liberty if the Liberty was there to aid Israel in an attack against the Arabs?

    I don’t get it.

    –note from me. MG–Ladybat, the LIBERTY was not on any mission to attack the Arabs. She was not an offensive ship, in fact, had no weapons except for four .50 cal machine guns to repel pirates trying to board the ship. The reason the LIBERTY was there was because of her name, plain and simple, because with a name like “LIBERTY” when it was sunk, it would be a highly emotionally charged event. The fact is that there was laready another ship in the area that could do the same job as LIBERTY known as the Valdez and she was sent out to make room for LIBERTY. Her being sent there was for one reason–to be sunk, Egypt blamed and the US becoming a permanent part of the Middle East, exactly as took place on 9/11.

  29. #29 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/14/2010 - 8:29 am

    Ladybat2 says:
    November 14, 2010 at 5:10 am

    B.A.F. S. said..

    “Are you sure you NOW know the whole truth about the USS Liberty? ”–BAFS

    I know every thing there is to know about Palestine sir.?
    Why do you reply besides the point I raised!


  30. #30 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/14/2010 - 8:40 am

    B.A.Frémaux-Soormally says:
    November 13, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    “I would like US Air force Mahmoud El-Yousseph to answer my questions about the USS Liberty.”


    I am a RESERVIST in the French Army, and I prayed to GOD to be asked for duty, but this never happened because the French are coward enough to send others (MOSSAD trained killers posing as Muslims and Arabs!) to carry out the salughter in France in their place! I missed a unique occasion to serve GOD first on the other type of battle field!


    P.S. Your spewing of Western war propaganda and Western created atrocities in Afghanistan does not impress me.

  31. #31 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/14/2010 - 9:05 am

    Ladybat2 says:
    November 14, 2010 at 5:28 am

    “Okay then if this theory of B.A.F.S is true…”

    Did I mention any theories or asked questions and made statements about my FINDINGS?


    If I have caught people like Robert Fisk (of the racist “Islamophobic” Independent) and Alan Hart lying, I would not call them liars like Alan Dershowitz! I do not think their intentions are to lie outright, but their journalism is not fully balanced and they tend to hide some FACTS for reasons known to themselves, and I am sceptical when they claim to know the TRUTH about Middle East events of regarding Muslims in general.

    We are dealing with the “UGLY TRUTH” here, and I cannot satisfy myself with half truths or propaganda!

    Ladybat2 says:
    November 14, 2010 at 5:28 am

    “I would like to make a request here please. Any and all posters in here that are fully educated about the attack on the USS Liberty… I want your opinions please.”

    I did not ask for OPINIONS (I have tons of crazy ones!), but what they know and can prove to be the facts.

    “–note from me. MG–Ladybat, the LIBERTY was not on any mission to attack the Arabs.”

    Exactly, the USS Liberty was not a war ship, just an unarmed “spy” ship!

    While the attacks on the Liberty were being carried out there were US military personnel right inside the ISRAELI WAR CABINET! DOING WHAT? This is not a theory! I agree I may be mistaken on some matters, but where is the evidence to prove me wrong when I am claiming I saw, read, and heard a quite different story, and understood certain events in a different manner?

    My INTENTION is to know and understand more about the US-ISRAELI attacks on the USS LIBERTY as well!

    Only fools can say that the Israelis attacked the USS Liberty without US involvement, like the COLOSSUS OMAR SHEIKH KHALID who carried out 9/11 with 19 Arabs without US military, media and State involvement!


    Who can buy this US Jewish crap?


  32. #32 by Ladybat2 on 11/14/2010 - 9:09 am

    Mark said
    “–note from me. MG–Ladybat, the LIBERTY was not on any mission to attack the Arabs. She was not an offensive ship, in fact, had no weapons except for four .50 cal machine guns to repel pirates trying to board the ship. The reason the LIBERTY was there was because of her name, plain and simple, because with a name like “LIBERTY” when it was sunk, it would be a highly emotionally charged event. The fact is that there was laready another ship in the area that could do the same job as LIBERTY known as the Valdez and she was sent out to make room for LIBERTY. Her being sent there was for one reason–to be sunk, Egypt blamed and the US becoming a permanent part of the Middle East, exactly as took place on 9/11.”


    Okay I think I must have mis understood this story. I need to go back and actually read the WHOLE BOOK about it I guess. See. I thought that, yes, Israel did in fact attack the Liberty on purpose with full intent to sink it. And they did this because they wanted to blame the Arabs for it to draw America in the war on their (Israel’s) side. And then, even though our government was pissed off at Israel for doing this, our government still tried to cover it all up for Israel so we the people would not know what Israel tried to do. But now….

    I seem to be hearing thats not it at all. That our government was in full knowledge ahead of time that Israel was going to sink our boat. That it was all planned in advance by both Israel and our government.

    Is that it Mark? Is that what happened? Please tell me thats not what happened. I was angry enough when I thought our government just tried to cover up for Israel but this is to much even for me to take.

    Our government did not do that did they? They did not send our sailors out there like that knowing and planning to kill them did they? KNOWING OUR SOLDERS WERE GOING TO DIE?

    Israel did that but our government did not do that did it?

    This cannot be my country that did this. Are you all sure about this? It was all pre planned ahead of time by our own government?

    I guess I was still trying to hold out hope that our government had not really sunk that low. I know our government has sunk so very low already. Yes it has but surely, not there Mark. Not there.

    My God. What are we all going to do then?

    None of us are safe. Any of us could be chosen for sacrifice at any time. And what is to happen to the poor Arab people? They can’t help it because they live on top of oil our government wants. Whats to happen to them? Our government has already slaughtered hundreds of thousands of them! And they are still killing them right now as we speak with no where in site of showing any ending of it.

    No one should volunteer for military service now. Its no longer serving our country. Its serving the zionist cause only. Not America. Not we the people. Its serving evil not any thing good.

    Every time I think I understand this stuff and I think its as bad as it could be I find out I still did not know the half of it.

    How much more horrible is it all going to get?

    OMG those sailors knowing that our own government tried to have them killed. OMG! How they must have felt after that. I was only 10 years old when this happened to them. I never even knew about it at all till about 7 years ago. They’ve lived with this thing all this time. How horrible for them. It was bad enough when I thought they were having to live with the fact that Israel got away with murdering them and our government not only did nothing about it but EVEN TRIED TO COVER UP WHAT ISRAEL DID. But its even worse than that! Our own government even planned it in advance. To kill our own sailors. OMG! How horrible for them.

    How horrible for the Arab world. How horrible for us all.

    If this were happening to the people of France they would not take it. They would all run out on their streets and burn every thing down with their government people in the buildings while they burn them.

    Why aren’t our people doing that?

    Are we just going to take it like a bunch of sheep? Is that what we really are?


    –note from em, MG–Ladybat, my apologies getting back to you so late.

    The attack on the USS LIBERTY happened not just with the foreknowledge of the US GOV in the persons of President Johnson and Sec Of Defense McNamara, but with the collusion of Israel as well. When the ship was under attack and Johnson and Macnamara recalled the rescue planes sent to repel LIBERTY’s attackers, Johnsons said “I don’t care of that Goddamned ship sinks to the bottom of the sea. I will not embarass an ally.” This was when even the LIBERTY had no idea who was attacking them, as the attacking planes were unmarked.

  33. #33 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/14/2010 - 10:21 am

    I must point out here that many foreigners become citizens of Western countries and think that they have to SUCK UP to these immoral regimes when many Westerners do not spare their governments when necessary, although they are all ready to defend the mother or father land when their country is attacked from enemies from outside as well as from within.


    I can list the names of MANY GOOD AMERICANS, but unfortunately I can also list the names of WHOLE ARMIES OF EVIL AMERICANS INCLUDING THEIR CORPORATIONS! I love and defend peaceful people, but I do not love and defend Godless and murderous States!

    Many Americans are very sincere and very brave, but dangerously deluded like our good Professor Texe Marrs:

    “It is very tragic that many young Black men and women across America are turning to Islam and rejecting Christ Jesus.”

    “There is no GOD but ALLAH says the first creed of the Mozlems and the second says MOHAMED is the Messenger of ALAH, not Jesusss, but Mohaamed! Mohamed , a man, of course, who lived in the sixth century after Jesus came to this planet. He died just the way any other man has died except for (unintelligible).”

    ““Jesus is the first and the fast, alpha and omega. Jesus was there in the beginning (with the father) and he created the Earth and not the Father!” ”

    [audio src="http://biblehomechurch.midwesthosting.net/audio/bhc_0310.mp3" /]



    P.S. I have to run away from my son’s home, because my wife is coming at 11 o’clock for our grand daughter’s 4th birthday party and she cannot stand my presence (nor my voice) at all. That is how bad I have become after 22 or 23 years of being together! So, I will not be able to continue this interesting conversation until this evening! LOVE TO YOU ALL!

  34. #34 by Jeremy on 11/14/2010 - 3:20 pm

    Mark, thank you for posting those pictures, and for reminding us of the self-less sacrifice of the men of the USS LIBERTY. The unresolved USS LIBERTY issue is the greatest test of our patriotism.

  35. #35 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/14/2010 - 4:29 pm


    “…the French are coward enough to send others (MOSSAD trained killers posing as Muslims and Arabs!) to carry out the slaughter in AlLGERIA in their place!”

    Jeremy says:
    November 14, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    “…the self-less sacrifice of the men of the USS LIBERTY.”

    Was it a SELFLESS sacrifice (they had no say in the matter!) or were they just treacherously sacrificed by their own country for the benefit of the Jews and Israelis?


  36. #36 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/14/2010 - 10:01 pm

    Mark Glenn

    “Her (USS LIBERTY) being sent there was for one reason–to be sunk, Egypt blamed and the US becoming a permanent part of the Middle East, exactly as took place on 9/11.”

    No other explanation is plausible, and no low or high level personnel seemed to have been part of the CONSPIRACY except for at least one KAMIKAZE (or two) who joined the ship at the last minute, most probably to direct the operations from the inside like the Dancing Israelis were caught of doing on 9/11 and maybe the group of AUTHORISED squatters that were caught inside the Twin Tower before the ENGINEERED EXPLOSIONS!


  37. #37 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 11/15/2010 - 4:07 am

    B.A.F.S. said,

    Me spewing Western war propaganda? Give me a freaking break. I don’t know about you, but I am an open book and my record speak for itself. Don’t blame the mutilation of an innocent women on the West please! That is were you lose your credibility.

    In response to Ladybat2 question, the argument about the theory that the US planning to attack the Arab world during 1967 war is false and does not hold ground. It was the US government who ordered France, U.K, and Israel to get the hell out of Egypt or else, 11 years earlier.known as the Trio-Invasion of Egypt.

    Regarding the implication that I suck up to my government because I was granted a citizen ship. I find this claim by B.A. F. S. ludicrous. Had he have done his homework, he would have discovered that he was wrong on this account too.

    Just for the record, this commenter was never deployed during the Gulf One , Gulf Two WAR or to Afghanistan. And if I am not mistaken, Muslims serving in the French or British force were given to choice to refuse deployment to the Middle East base on religious and moral grounds.

    Let us also not forget that millions of people in the West took the streets during the US invasion of Iraq, the Israeli War on Lebanon and the Israeli genocide in Gaza not long ago.

    This site has frequently defended Muslims causes, and the plight of the Palestinians more than the Arab press. To undermine the message about the USS Liberty was totally out of place and inappropriate.

  38. #38 by kenny callow on 11/15/2010 - 5:03 pm

    i have been trying to understand why the ashkenazi stopped firing. could anyone please respond with info . the jew lyndon johnson, and i dont care what anyone says mcnamara was a jew both wanted the ship on the bottom. radio communications were being monitored and the cannanites knew the birds were returned to the aircraft carrier. the council on foreign relations and the media wanted it on the bottom. living it list into port was going to be very damaging so why did they stop firing? anybody?

    –note from me, MG–the conventional wisdom from those who were there are saw it is that the bastards ran out of ammo and then when they got word that help was on the way (incorrectly) they realized the gig was up.

  39. #39 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/15/2010 - 5:36 pm

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    November 15, 2010 at 4:07 am

    “I don’t know about you…”


    “…the theory that the US planning to attack the Arab world during 1967 war is false and does not hold ground.”

    WHAT THEORY? Your knowledge of Middle East history STINKS! Provide ANSWERS to my questions, if you can! Obviously, you cannot!

    “Just for the record, this commenter was never deployed during the Gulf One , Gulf Two WAR or to Afghanistan.”


    “This site has frequently defended Muslims causes, and the plight of the Palestinians more than the Arab press.”

    YOU ARE TALKING OF THE MAINSTREAM ARAB PRESS ALLOWED TO EXIST IN OCCUPIED MUSLIM LANDS AND THAT WORKS FOR THE WESTERN HEGEMONISTS! But, we are more than ONE BILLION, my friend, living under foreign occupation and we not to talk like the Arab Press, but our voices are not heard!

    “…blame the mutilation of an innocent women on the West …”


    If you can provide me with a list, then we can talk on a different level and find out WHO ARE THE GUILTY PARTIES!

    Did you ever hear of any Buddha statues destroyed in Afghanistan before the Afghan repeated Holocausts?

    I am writing in context here and what you are or did OUTSIDE your commentaries here does not concern me right now!

    By the way, this site DOES NOT DEFEND “Muslim causes”, but only the TRUTH as close as we can ever get to it, and I do not give a damn about “Muslim causes”! My concern is about PEACE, FREEDOM and JUSTICE for all!

    When you were “deployed”, was it for peace, freedom and justice or for BIG PIECES of the Muslim lands?


  40. #40 by Ladybat2 on 11/15/2010 - 6:46 pm

    “The attack on the USS LIBERTY happened not just with the foreknowledge of the US GOV in the persons of President Johnson and Sec Of Defense McNamara, but with the collusion of Israel as well. When the ship was under attack and Johnson and Macnamara recalled the rescue planes sent to repel LIBERTY’s attackers, Johnsons said “I don’t care of that Goddamned ship sinks to the bottom of the sea. I will not embarass an ally.” This was when even the LIBERTY had no idea who was attacking them, as the attacking planes were unmarked.”——Mark Glenn


    I think where I got confused about this story was I thought I heard them saying on the BBC documentary “Dead In The Water” that when LBJ was informed that the Liberty had been attacked his response was just to say “well, I’m not going to attack our ally. We’ll just have to make this all go away”.

    I don’t know why I thought this because I’ve gone back and watched it again and that is not what they said LBJ said in that film.

    I’m ashamed to say there is no excuse for my stupidity in this. I even have your book you co authored with Victor Thorn and Michael Piper—-“Ship Without A Country”.

    My husband read it but I had not got around to reading it yet. I guess because I thought I already knew the story. And here I was yesterday telling my husband all about what you told me here. That our government not only covered it up but actually PLANNED it. And he already knew that because he had read your book. He laughed at me for not knowing this already. He said I, out of all people, should have known this already.

    I spend to much time collecting news stories for my on line news letter. I go through so many each day and not having enough time to actually get to READ all of what I’m scanning through I end up not getting all the facts straight my self sometimes. I feel like an idiot because I had gotten this story wrong. There was no excuse for it.

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph– I just want to say that your words defending America and the fact that you served in the American military moved me so much. You really have managed to separate “WE THE PEOPLE” from our government. You totally understand the difference. Not all Arabs and Muslim people are able to do that. Not all are that forgiving and understanding. The ones who are not I don’t blame them either because if I were in their shoes I would not be so forgiving either, but still when I come across those like you who really are that forgiving and understanding it nearly makes me cry.

    God bless you dear brother and there is no shame in your service to this country that you came to love and accept as your home. You are no different than other Americans who thought they were serving our military for the same reasons.

    But it is clear to me now, and has been clear to me even back during the days of the Vietnam war, that serving our government is not serving WE THE PEOPLE.

    Now that I am a full grown adult and not all that far away from the winter time of my life, I see, my dear brother, that our beloved America, is just not what we thought her to be. So in my opinion serving in her military is no longer the right thing to do.

    But still I am glad that you still love our mother America any way, as I do also still love her even though she has been doing a great many bad things for a long time.

    Sometimes our mothers are bad.

    But who can stop loving their mother?

  41. #41 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/15/2010 - 9:45 pm

    Ladybat2 says:
    November 15, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    “God bless you dear brother and there is no shame in your service to this country that you came to love and accept as your home. You are no different than other Americans who thought they were serving our military for the same reasons.”

    That SUCKER is not serving his country, and has not shown here that he is/was not working for the KILLING MACHINE known as the USA and ruled by JEWISH CONTROLLED/OWNED WARMONGERING CORPORATIONS!

    Jesus did not preach FORGIVENESS for child molesters and baby killers!


    “I spend too much time collecting news stories for my on line news letter.”

    What about spending some quality time checking the CONCLUSIONS of research carried out by trustworthy sources? “News” is nothing NEW, but only the same old crap repeated over and over again a million times! Can you ever beat Alex Jones in “collecting news stories”, without ever coming to the right conclusions when it regards Jews and Zionism?

    Spend more time in SYNTHESIS based on sound analysis! But, if your facts are still messed up, just keep away from this type of exercise!


  42. #42 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/16/2010 - 12:38 am

    Ladybat2 says:
    November 15, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    “I’m ashamed to say there is no excuse for my stupidity in this. I even have your book you co authored with Victor Thorn and Michael Piper—-”Ship Without A Country”.”

    I have never read any book on the USS LIBERTY, none at all! But, from what I have read right here about the event, I did nor learn much.

    However, I saw a few video documentaries by the BBC, a Phillip Tourney co-production, and seen Youtube clips of live footage of interviews with Survivors, personalities involved, and “experts”, and the bias, lies and omissions were blatant.

    However, I wished I had read at least one of those books only to check if the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian expertise on the matter was included in it. Alan Hart said he has written three volumes which includes that particulat event, but on listening to him and reading what he had to say about his own book I could clearly see the flaws. Unfortunately, he is not available for any kind of debate.

    In order for his boss to send him to “DOCUMENT THE EVENT” when it was supposed to be a SURPRISE attack where the Arabs were far from being adequately armed, had no trained armies in sufficient number to face such an opponent, and not prepared at all for war, and depending only on the Soviets for military assistance in case of an attack by the Jewish and Bolshevik degenerates from Occupied Palestine, Alan Hart came up with a very poor, biased and unbelievable report od the event!

    I am still trying to find out who the OTHER JOURNALISTS SENT TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT were and what do their reports (if any) contain!

    Many pretend to know everything about the USS LIBERTY, but when questioned haven’t much to say or just ignore the questions.

    When John Fitzgerald Kennedy decided to get rid of the Jewish Federal Reserve Crime Syndicate (behind all wars and poverty in the the US and wealth in Apartheid Israel), the Jews hired “five teams of assassins” and had Lyndon Baynes Johnson (married to a Jewess) to trick JFK into going to Dallas where apparently a Sicilian Group of Killlers from Marseilles got the job done while Jew Zapruder filmed the shooting “by mere accident”. In 1965-66 I made better films in the Caucasus Mountains with my 8mm camera than Zapruder! Zapruder shot exactly what was needed for propaganda purposes just like the recent 9/11 Pentagon five frames releases!

    LBJ reversed all JFK’s decisions regarding the Bank Gangsters, Israel and the American Zionist Council (AIPAC) BECAUSE HE WAS A JEWISH/ISRAELI STOOGE! He had wanted that DAMNED USS LIBERTY TO GO DOWN, and he was MAD WITH RAGE when the Israelis did not finish the job! Without the consent of (and a financial plan from) the Federal Reserve Banking Syndicate, neither Israel nor LBJ would have planned to attack the Arabs!

    Fools think it is a THEORY! It is just common sense and based on previous historical facts. JFK was the American Bonaparte! Harvard forgot to teach him about Waterloo and the power of the Rothschilds and the Jewish Bank of England in all major political matters, and in particular about the wars waged for the benefit of the Bank Gangsters!

    If I ask another question about the USS Liberty, who is there to provide us with the answer? Was or wasn’t a Russian warship present nearby and WHY did it not come to the rescue of the USS LIBERTY? How much did the Russians witness or DID THE ISRAELIS JAM THEIR RADIOS AS WELL???????

    Grow up Lady Bat and get out of your cave and follow the MONEY TRAIL and you’ll get all the answers you need! CUI BONO?

    As soon as I find the missing piece of information regarding the June 1967 joint US-Israel attacks on the Arabs, it will make a huge difference! You see, when I watch a documentary, it takes me hours and hours to write down what is said, sometimes all night, but readers usually don’t give a damn how much effort and hard work is put in research and they just rush to make foolish comments, a couple of lines here and there, and they are happy, and too often using pseudonyms that I usually hate!


  43. #43 by Ladybat2 on 11/16/2010 - 5:20 am

    You know what BAFS?

    If you had any sort of manners and were not such a huge ASS HOLE people might just take the time to read some of things you have to say. You can present your claims with out talking like you are nothing but a big fat blow hard who thinks he knows every thing and he is stuck on planet earth with huge species of beings who are dumb as trees and he is the only one down here with a brain so its so very tedious and boring down here for him.

    We do not do all this truth seeking research just to see if we can out smart each other. To see which of us gets to be the biggest KNOW IT ALL.

    WE DO IT TO LEARN! And we do it to share what we learn with each other so the whole world can eventually become informed. Just because we may have discovered a lot of facts in our searches that others have not learned about yet does not make us smarter than any one else. It only means we got to the information first is all. Thats when we take it to other people and share it with them. And when we do that we don’t ABUSE the people we share it with by telling them that they ARE STUPID BECAUSE WE KNOW ABOUT IT AND THEY DON’T so we are smart and they are not!

    You said in one of your prior posts that your wife cannot stand your presence. Hmmmm….

    Now I can’t imagine why that would be!

    Oh and one more thing Mr BAFS….


  44. #44 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 11/16/2010 - 5:11 pm

    As-salaamu alaikum [peace be with you],

    I would like to wish a happy Eid to all of the Ugly Truth Muslim members on this day.
    May Allah bestow his blessings to you and your family, your friends, and Muslims around the world this Eid al-Adha. Particularly our brothers and sisters in need.

  45. #45 by Ladybat2 on 11/16/2010 - 6:27 pm

    And a Happy Eid to you too Mahmoud.

  46. #46 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 11/16/2010 - 7:21 pm

    Thanks you Ladybat2, I second your motion about whatever his name is.
    I couldn’t have said it any better!

    I was called in the past as one-man-amry, strident critic of Israel in the local medai, and Mr. Letter to the editr, but never as a sucker, mercenary,traitor, or the one who propagate anti Muslim propaganda. Shame on you Mr. French man!
    Let me make one thing clear to you, If it was not for America, France would not have been free today.

    It was American blood that freed France from the Nazi occupation.

    It was America who is the first to come to the rescue when tragedies and disasters hit any place in the world.

    Americas’ military is not “only”f or dropping bombs on innocent people and destroying countries.

    It is also to help in case of notional emergency such as: flood relief operations, border control and enforcing desegregation.

    I am astonished by hypocrisy and arrogance of people like him for putting America and its armed forces down . SHAME ON YOU.

    And another thing, it is because US wasn’t founded on religion, particular ppl or race – which makes it so great and which is why ppl like him stand in long lines outside its embassies ever so eager to abandon their very home countries that were founded on religion, particular ppl & race. Ever wondered why is it ?

    I too resent his hostile attitude,your condescending style of writing and and insulting anyone you disagree with on this site.

    You are as annoying Sir as the person sitting next to you in the movie theater, who insist on slurping the last drop of soda.

    There is no wonder that even his better half could not stand him or even looking at him.[by his own admittion]. How do you expect other people to tolerate or put up with his b.s.? It is sad that someone with his intelligence would sink to such low level and be intolerant to other viewpoints.

    Again, thank you Ladybat 2 for for your courage. You have my Eid today a brighter one.

  47. #47 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 9:12 am

    Ladybat2 says:
    November 16, 2010 at 5:20 am

    “You know what BAFS?

    If you had any sort of manners and were not such a huge ASS HOLE people might just take the time to read some of things you have to say.”



  48. #48 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 9:46 am

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    November 16, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    “Let me make one thing clear to you, If it was not for America, France would not have been free today.

    It was American blood that freed France from the Nazi occupation.”

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph, you do not seem to know much about World History, DO YOU?


    If it was not for America,

    there would never have been the Holocausts and slavery of Muslims around the globe!

    there would never have been the Holocausts in Dresden and of other Germans!

    there would never have been the Holocaust of Algerians twice!

    there would never have been the Holocaust of Afghanis twice and ongoing!

    there would never have been the Holocaust of Christians in Russia!

    there would never have been any Holocaust at all of the Latin American people!

    there would never have been the Holocaust of the Palestinian (ongoing) and Lebanese people (on the agenda again)!

    there would never have been the Holocaust of the Vietnamese, Cambodian and Indonesian people!

    there would not have been the Holocaust of the Bosnian people!

    there would never have been the Holocaust of the Iranian people (with still another one on the agenda!), and of the Iraqi people (twice and ongoing)!

    there would never have been the enslavement and destruction of several Muslim Republics in the Balkans and in Central Asia!


    I leave both Mahmoud El-Yousseph and the Bat Lady to enjoy themselves in autocongratulations.

    And, it seems Mahmoud is even a Muslim! It looks like a horror story!

    This is the one thing MY BROTHER MAHMOUD you should have hidden from me because when anybody says he or she is a Muslim, they immediately place themselves under the Law of GOD, the Islamic Shari’a! And, as such Mahmoud El-Yousseph, YOU are guilty as charged for HYPOCRISY, TELLING BIG LIES and MAKING FALSE STATEMENST! Shame on you!

    “It was America who is the first to come to the rescue when tragedies and disasters hit any place in the world.”



    Where is your America when Palestinian babies, young and old are being murdered daily with their money, weapons and by American Nationals as well?

    So, your “truths” stink, both of you! And, I am glad to be the one to tell it to you because this is the reason I came to this bloody planet, so it seems!

    The Bat Lady should stop meddling in International politics when she shows such stupidity! She should “GROW UP” herself!


  49. #49 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 10:00 am

    TO “Ladybat2” and Mahmoud El-Yousseph

    Instead of wasting your time with a nut like me, WHY don’t you show just how smart you both are and answer the questions posed about the USS LIBERTY? Or does it really matter to you WHO poses the questions?

    Writing as the Devil’s Advocate has always given me much pleasure in my search for the truth! Often, people get really mad at ME (when it is not about me!) or just go dumb, deaf and blind!

    I always enjoy a good and loyal exchange (even fight!) between equals!


  50. #50 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 11:29 am


    In Islamic Law the USS LIBERTY cannot be regarded as combattant ship as it was unarmed for the purpose of war.

    Spying is haraam in Islam unless we can show proof that there was clearly a case of life and death situation.

    So, the USS LIBERTY was clearly doing something wrong, whether it was spying FOR ISRAEL or ON ISRAEL! But, the KNOWN FACTS clearly show that it was spying ON THE ARABS!

    Now, this wrong doing (SPYING) does not carry a death penalty, and the killing and wounding of the USS LIBERTY occupants is a crime. Israel has been found guilty of carrying out the murders and the US has been found guilty too for having refused to rescue the USS LIBERTY during and after the attacks!

    These crimes were not investigated properly and the guilty parties were never punished, and in all likelihood WILL NEVER BE PUNISHED AT ALL!

    What are the lessons we must learn from this?

    1. That the Israelis are a murderous nation not only to the Arabs but even to its Prostitute Mother that created her in the first place, the United States of America! AT 3 o’clock in the morning, if my memory is correct, MOTHER AMERICA RECOGNIZED ISRAEL AS HER BASTARD CHILD ONLY MINUTES AFTER GIVING BIRTH TO HER!

    2. If GOD says in Islam that HE giveth and taketh life, and that there can never be any illegitimate or bastard children, as they are all born in Islam and 100% innocent of the sins of their parents, HE surely did not give life to the bastard child of a JEWISH FATHER (UK) and a PROSTITUTE MOTHER (US). Israel was sired by the Rothschilds using the stupid Americans!

    3. The US will continue being used by the Rothschilds to wage wars for the benefit of the Jews and of the Israeli bastard!

    4. If the USS LIBERTY SURVIVORS want justice, they will not have it. The murdered Arabs in 1967 will never have justice! But, what the Survivors of the USS LIBERTY and their children (if they are faithful and loyal) can do is to STOP helpng their own government in its war efforts on other nations when America itself is not threatened. But, if they are stupid enough to believe that Usama Bin Ladin or Al Qaeda are coming to nuke them, and join their army of murderers and thieves, then they should not complain in the future, when that same army turns against them!

    5. They must not let America disarm them and then slaughter them one by one, which is what is going to happen to them if they do not stand up and get rid of their own tyrants at home before wanting to get rid of so-called tyrants and dictators abroad!



  51. #51 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 12:50 pm


    Maybe the “Ugly Truth” is not the right website I should write about what I know about the American Deception because there are too many American Patriots who believe in a fake America of Freedom and Justice. In 1967, I refused to believe my Jewish host Michael Stepanovitch Drinkin of Kislovodsk when he told me the Jews and the Communists would take over America.

    Then, around 1980, I found out it had already happened in France in 1905 with the Leftist Socialist Separation of the Catholic Church from the State, and that they were still running the Jewish French Fascist Regime with the Jewish President Nicolas Sarkozy.

    Then, around 1990, I saw the Jews had taken over Great Britain a long time ago and are still running the government with Jews and Friends of Israel (including Elisabeth II) all over the place at the highest levels of government, media and academia, not yet the Communists, but this will come inevitably with their promotion of the LGBT (Lesbian, Homosexual, Bi-Sexual and Trans-Sexual) agenda!

    Already in 2000, I found out that the United States of America has been taken over by the Bolsheviks already at the Treaty of Versailles. So, I had at least 30 years to confirm all this. And, confirm I did more than one million times. Americans have been slowly awakening from their slumber and false American Dream since the time of and thanks to the Jihaad of Malcom X! After 11 September 2001, more and more White American “Goyim” were seeing the Light!

    Having been married successively to a Russian, a half-French half Hindustani Mauritian, a Polish and a French wife, I nurtured much love for Russia, Hindustan, Poland and France as far as the languages, culture, religions, spirituality, and the people were concerned. And, if I add them all together, the people I shared much with, including the Germans, represent more than half of Mankind. So, it becomes obvious that I cannot be understood by people with different backgrounds.

    Some people can say about me whatever bad things they like; I do not give a damn as my experience is not theirs, but for one thing I am far from qualifying as an IGNORAMUS or a HYPOCRITE! If those few people who have read me are still sceptical about what I have written all those years, let them do their own research, but from all possible sources, Russian, Polish, German, French, English and American BEFORE the Bolsheviks had taken over their |Freedom!

    Here is a sample:

    “No Communist, no matter how many votes he should secure in a national election, could, even if he would, become President of the present government.

    When a Communist heads the government of the United States-and that day will come just as surely as the sun rises, the government will not be a capitalist government but a Soviet government, and behind this government will stand the Red army to enforce the dictatorship of the proletariat.”

    Sworn statement of WILLIAM Z. FOSTER, Head of the Communist Party in the United States.


    But, did the Bolsheviks really mean the “proletariat” or the usurious bank gangsters? What kind of dictatorship do we find in the West today?

    I serve only Truth!

  52. #52 by kenny callow on 11/17/2010 - 2:59 pm

    anyone who has the energy to argue about this stuff should revisit the protocols. its all there folks. they use the duality system and control both sides in every conflict to move the agenda to their pre determined solution. in the 1500s the rabbis (alchemists) were looking to create a golem. i am not sure but i think his name was judha lowe, says he accomplished it. i submit americans (not all) are the golem used to destroy in the name of free masonry. duped obviously but none the less golem. the ruling class in charge of america and all its media tricked the goyim into every war by kabbalist deception, and masterfull domination of the media. until we realize that we are pawns in the game, they will always be able to divide us on every issue. pepsi – coke is not a choice. k.c.

  53. #53 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 4:01 pm


    BY HARRY WATON 1939 (a dedicated Jew)

    Pages 22-23

    “13. Naive Americans believe that what happened in Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy will not happen here. This is an illusion: what happened there is already happening here; we are already waist-deep in state capitalism and fascism. De to fabula narratur! Naive Americans still believe in the rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution, but they do not realize that the Constitution has already fundamentally changed its character. President Roosevelt may honestly believe that he is not a dictator, and he may sincerely hate dictatorship; yet, from day to day, he becomes ever more and more a dictator. And what Roosevelt does with more or less of selfrestraint, his successors will do without any self-restraint . State capitalism and fascism are as inevitable in this country as they are in other countries. All that is necessary that in this country state capitalism and fascism shall be completely established is a national emergency or a war. Once such national emergency or war comes-and it ill inevitably come in the near future and in this country we shall have the state capitalism and fascism that we see in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany. The government in this country has already worked out a complete plan for the mobilization of the industries and the working class, and of using them under state control. Once state capitalism and fascism have been established in this country, they will remain established for a long time to come, for state capitalism, as we shall presently see, has a great historic function to perform. Hence we must no longer entertain the illusion that we can regenerate private capitalism and its institutions, but we must prepare ourselves to live under state capitalism and be ruled by fascism. This implies a change of ideas, a change of philosophy, and a change of the mode of life. But, oh, this is very hard ! Hence we struggle against this inevitable necessity. But can we successfully struggle against a historic necessity? Those that struggle against history are destroyed by history. This is the world situation that faces mankind.”

    COPYRIGHT 1939
    By Committee for the Preservation of the Jews

    De te fabula narratur = the story applies to you
    “the story would be yours”, i.e. the joke’s on you.


  54. #54 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 11/17/2010 - 4:05 pm

    Paul Harvery news delights us everyday with his the “rest of the story” segement, BAFS goes through pain to antaganize and insult us on this message board with his frequent and for ever lengthy posts.

    BAFS: I respectfully disagree with you and do not see things eye to eye. I don’t have the liberty of having free time on hand as you do.

    You sound very hostile and unhappy. Your views are twisted and nauziating to me.
    The more I read it, the more it stinks. Your views and post start smelling like a French hooker.

    Please save us the agony and do yourself a favor: put a lid on it. Otherwise, you will be making a fool out of yourself and greate more enemies.

    Take my advice: if you live in a house of glass, you don’t throw stones at others.

  55. #55 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 5:37 pm

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    November 17, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    “BAFS: I respectfully disagree with you and do not see things eye to eye. I don’t have the liberty of having free time on hand as you do.

    You sound very hostile and unhappy. Your views are twisted and nauziating to me.
    The more I read it, the more it stinks. Your views and post start smelling like a French hooker.”

    You don’t seem to know what that word RESPECT means!


    Let me inform you of one thing: HYPOCRITES ARE WORSE THAN THE KUFFAR!


  56. #56 by Ladybat2 on 11/17/2010 - 7:27 pm


    I am not saying that America is not wrong. No one knows more than me how wrong our government is. But have you ever thought about the fact that if all the other governments of all the other nations in the world would not constantly say yes to every single thing America demands of them then maybe America would not be able to get by with all that she gets by with?

    Look at all those Arab kings and leaders living in their pretty golden luxury palaces taking US aid money and bowing down to the American government while treating their own people like crap! Jordan, Egypt, signing an agreement to leave Israel alone in exchange for American “aid” package money. American tax dollars not only going directly to Israel but we also are forced to PAY OFF the surrounding Arab countries to leave Israel alone and let her continue her holocaust against the Palestinian people.

    Why did the Saudis allow America to come and put a base and its military on their soil? Because the Saudi “ROYAL” family wants to stay in their pretty golden palace thats why. They don’t give a crap about the average poor Arab on the street. And WHO are these stupid Saudis any way? It is ARABIA! Not saudi ARABIA! WHEN DID SOME STUPID MAN GET TO PUT HIS OWN NAME IN FRONT A PLACE THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS BEFORE HIS OWN PERSONAL NAME WAS EVEN HEARD OF? It is ARABIA and it BELONGS TO ARABIAN PEOPLE! Not just to one Arabian family just because they think it belongs only to them.

    I wonder what our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, would say if he were alive today and could see this cowardice thievery from Muslim leaders. He would be ashamed of them.

    Yes the United States of America has a very crooked government run by very crooked people. Yes it is our fault its like this because we are suppose to be a democracy and that means any one working in our government is there BECAUSE WE VOTED FOR THEM TO BE THERE. So we are even MORE TO BLAME for our crooked government than mid eastern people are to blame for theirs because we at least had the chance to vote ours out. They did not.

    But still, their governments are just as crooked as ours are. And we are talking about Muslim countries. If you think our Prophet Muhammad was not also up against the same sort of crookedness and power in his day you are sadly mistaken. Did he back down from it? Did he ever give up trying to change it? No he did not. And what about the majority of the Arabian people who decided to take a stand and follow him as their leader? Did they give up or chicken out?

    No, they did not. Not as long as they drew breath in their bodies.

    Do we see this from majority of Muslim people today? Believing in their cause and in themselves and in their God so much that they have no fear of poverty or even death?

    No, we do not see this in their leaders or even in themselves.

    IF the Muslim people had the faith and the brave hearts they had during the days of Prophet Muhammad there would be no force on earth, especially not even the United States of America, that could harm them.

    So, Mr. BAF…. in the end….

    We are all in the wrong. The whole human race of planet earth is in the wrong. And unless we realize it soon and make a change for the better none of us are going to be around much longer to even have to worry about it any more.

  57. #57 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 8:53 pm

    Ladybat2 says:
    November 17, 2010 at 7:27 pm


    Look at all those Arab kings and leaders living in their pretty golden luxury palaces taking US aid money and bowing down to the American government while treating their own people like crap!”

    STOP writing nonsense and puerile stuff, please!

    “those Arab kings and leaders living in their pretty golden luxury palaces…”

    This is the usual racist Western garbage written about Arabs and you are repeating it!


    You speak as if ARABS were a free people! Arabs are colonised people! Muslims are colonised people! All criticism of Arabs and Muslims by racists and poorly informed people are unacceptable to me.

    As for the present day traumatised, indoctrinated, and enslaved Muslim Survivors of the greatest Holocaust known to mankind, with 75-150 million slaughtered by one and all, their only guilt, in their great majority, is to be still IGNORANT and UNFAITHFUL to their Way of Life (in the real sense), and TOO COWARDLY!

    But, this is changing although not fast enough.


  58. #58 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 10:16 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm


    … They have become “fake” Christians and also got married into Christian families to spread their evil influence…”

    Jews (mainly from the Ottoman Jewish Paradise of Salonika, the homeland of Nicolas Sarkozy’s ancestors) became FAKE Muslims and married into Muslim families (crypto-Jews) and from within DESTROYED the Ottomam Khilaafah (Caliphate)!

    So, I know exactly what happened to our Christian Sisters and Brothers. Added to the Jewish infiltration of Christendom, Christian leadership itself lost faith in Jesus Christ and became decadent! But, while the Ottomans too became decadent, Muslims’ faith diminished little compared to the heavy losses in Christendom.

    Would you believe that France claims to be a Catholic country while so many brothels, sex shops, homosexual dens are to be found all over its Capital Paris?


  59. #59 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 10:30 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm


    “I do want justice for USS Liberty veterans and their families.”

    It would never come to my mind to disagree with this.

    But justice must include the Arab victims as well. The 34 dead on one side and the thousands dead on the other plus the massacre (execution) of all the Egyptian POWs in the desert (like the Bolsheviks did in Katyn with the Christian Polish Officers).

    How could Egypt sign any peace with Apartheid Israel without any acknowledgement and reparations for those atrocities? Because Egypt is already occupied territory!


    But, the pursuit of justice must never be stopped!


  60. #60 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 10:46 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm


    “Leave Muslims alone. Fight Jewish created tyranny. Israel has no business in Palestine and Gaza. Expell them. Arrest all criminal Jews!”

    This is my Jihaad!

    In his “Program for the Jews” of 1939 (PAGE 34) Harry Waton writes:

    “Let us consider a few facts. In both countries there is an absolute dictatorship over the proletariat and the people ; Hitler in Germany is deified as much as Stalin is in Russia ; in both countries the individual was completely subordinated to the state ; in both countries all political rights and freedoms of the individual have been abolished ; in both countries the state is supreme economically as well as politically ; in both countries the state determines production and distribution ; in both countries the children are trained and disciplined for the state ; in both countries the children are taught to disregard parents and obey the state ; in both countries the children are taught to spy on the parents and to report to the state .”

    This is what is exactly happening in the US and the UK!

    “…in both countries the children are trained and disciplined for the state ; in both countries the children are taught to disregard parents and obey the state ; in both countries the children are taught to spy on the parents and to report to the state.”

    My next door neighbour is PAID TO SPY on us! Teachers SPY on our kids! I may disagree with Alex Jones regarding several issues, but he has given us so much valuable material about TYRANY IN AMERICA! In some of his documentaries, I saw how WHITE WOMEN are mistreated by the Police, jailed on trumped up charges, beaten up and disrespected. I even saw how the FBI would gun down an entire White Christian family including their dog because they were home schooling their children! WACO is another example.



  61. #61 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/17/2010 - 11:47 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm


    “It is wise to leave people like David Duke and BAFS alone. They are nobody’s enemies. They are well informed people who have demonstrated courage to speak the truth without compromising integrity for cash and without receiving any benefit for doing such.”

    On the contrary, LOVE, let them give me their best because I still have a few sharp teeth left!

    Some say I am “hostile…unhappy…”. In my own way, I am one of the happiest men on Earth! I am hostile only to lies, hypocrisy and mendacity.

    In Islam we have a formula for thanking people for their kindness and generosity. We say : May GOD reward you! When some tell me this, my reply is always the same:

    GOD has given me so much, too much, and so little to others, that I do not want or expect any reward from HIM anymore!

    I ‘hate’ Muslims who do good expecting a reward from GOD! GOD has promised us those rewards, but most do not understand its real meaning at all. I have reached a certain level of spirituality that I never take these things literally. I always like to quote that Sufi woman poet of Basra, Mesopotamia (now Iraq), Rabia al-Adawiya (801 CE) who addressed to GOD the following prayer:

    “I will not serve GOD like a labourer in expectation of his wages!
    O Lord! If I worship You from fear of Hell, then burn me in Hell!
    If I worship you hoping to inherit Paradise, then deny me Paradise!
    But, if I worship You for the love of You, then
    Do not hide from me Your Eternal Beauty!”

    This has always been my religion and understanding of spirituality at the highest level.

    As for David Duke, I have always loved him and found nothing wrong with him and even PROMOTED him until I heard him during one of his talks which I mentioned on this site demonising Islam and Muslims. I was shocked, but I have not pursued my investigation any further as I was already trying to communicate with Pr Texe Marrs, and been very busy with other matters.

    I was watching “Sound of Music” 1965 with my two grand daughters. There is much of the WHITE European culture that is ingrained in me and Austrian and German culture are among my greatest examples of what I regard as a highly civilised way of life. Unfortunately, the British Jews did not want to see a German rival and set out to destroy it twice (WWI and WWII) until Germany became a Jewish property supplying Apartheid israel even with submarines and other weaponry!

    You should read the 1939 “100 DOCUMENTS ON THE ORIGIN OF THE WAR SELECTED

    If you ask Mark Glenn for my Email address, or allow him to provide me with your Email, I can send you some very interesting documents. I had a personal library of some 2000 books, some very old, and more than 2000 books on PDF, and at least 400 on the “American Deception”.

    I thank you for your support wholeheartedly. God bless you. I did not forget that you once asked me to continue writing here. I do not mind if people are not interested. While writing, I am training my brain as well. It is a gift from GOD that I still have my faculty of reasoning and of vision.

    But, I am luckier than the Palestinian Jesus Christ because he stayed with us only a few years. He was quite unique, yet people did not quite listen to him. Then, the billion or so who claim to be his Christian followers sold out to the descendants of those who sentenced him to death and had the Romans get rid of him! Two thousand years later, people still do not listen! ROME WILL CRUCIFY US ALL BECAUSE OF JEWISH SUPREMACISM!



  62. #62 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 11/19/2010 - 3:41 am


    Please refrain from posting trash talk and insults directed towards me and Ladybat2.

    Your comments add insult, subtract pleasure, multiply ignorance and divide attention.
    You are acting as cocky as a peacock who spreads his feathers to impress females.

    I have noticed that about 30 of the comments came from you. That is nearly half of all (69)the comments posted on this thread. Obviously, some one has free time on their hands with nothing else to do.

    You never seize to amaze me!. Now all of the sudden you have become an Islamic scholar by declaring me as a Kaffir. The one who rejected the his faith in Islam/ and disobeyed God almighty. Sir, you have no decency!

    I do resent your intimidating style. If you want respect, you do have to earn it. You don’t earn it by insulting others whom you disagree with or do not subscribes to your radical and extreme views.

    Perhaps attending manner school or reading a book about atticacy might go a long way.

  63. #63 by Mahmoud El-Yousseph on 11/19/2010 - 3:54 pm

    Dear all,

    I will no longer post any more comments on this thread. Nor would I be engaged in any more mud slinging, no matter what.

    Please forgive me if I stepped out of line or offended any body by my remarks.
    I know we all could l use our energy and time more wisely instead.

    I should have taken heed from the motto of Delaware Gazette news paper which said, ”
    I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    And as the Holy Quran us, “united we stand, divide we fall.”

    To BAFS, ignore whatever I said about you, and please accept my sincere apology.

  64. #64 by kenny callow on 11/19/2010 - 8:47 pm

    ah the proverbial high ground! there is iron in your words mahmoud.

  65. #65 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/19/2010 - 11:20 pm

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    November 19, 2010 at 3:41 am


    “I have noticed that about 30 of the comments came from you. That is nearly half of all (69)the comments posted on this thread. Obviously, some one has free time on their hands with nothing else to do.”

    NO, YOU FOOL! If I write so much on that particular subject, it is only because I have (and had) information that most of you do not have and even refuse to appreciate. I asked questions only to check if YOU knew!

    About my “free” time, you will never understand if I tell you I WORK 18-20 hours a day most of the time while you are playing SOLDIER!

    (By the way, while I was writing this very response to your insipid comment), I had an order for pizza, French fries and fish fingers from my son which I just served with green and black olives, baked tomatoes and cucumbers. I had to interrupt my (useless) writing and take care of my domestic priorities!) This is how free I am even at 11PM!

    As for respect, I do not give a damn if people do not respect me personally! Most people did not and do not respect Jesus or Muhammad fro which reason we are in such a mess! So, who am I to deserve any respect from you lot?

    I asked many questions here and I did not received the answers I expected regarding the USS LIBERTY and THE ARAB VICTIMS of both the US and Apartheid Israel!

    Some of my clienst were Vietnam “veterans” (a camouflage for the profession of TERRORISTS, RAPISTS, THIEVES and MASS MURDERERS!), and they had all been on LSD, had never stopped visiting prostitutes, were addicted to smoking and alcohol, and could hardly be called humans.

    There were many Vietnamese and Indo-Chinese Muslims among their victims. What those butchers did in Vietnam, cutting women’s heads and hands to steal their jewelry, bombing entire villages, and so on! Hundreds or thousands of MY LAI…!

    AMERICA is ruled by thieves (IRS, FEDERAL RESERVE…), drug Barons (FBI, CIA, BUSH, CLINTON…), mass murderers (the military), Fascists (Law Courts…), Jews (ADL, AZC/AIPAC, JDL…) and anybody who loves and serves that America is my arch enemy!

    Why should I love America more than any other country?


  66. #66 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/20/2010 - 12:02 am

    D Costa says:
    November 19, 2010 at 3:25 am


    “P.S Did you read about my encounter with the federal agent? Have you ever been visited by them?”

    It must have been right at the beginning when I took your name to be that of a man. I did see somebody writing about being visited by an SS (“Security Service”!) agent, but I did not read it really or pay attention to it. I had the visit of the KGB when I was only 20 or 21 years old! Then, I had dealings with the Police, been victim of Police brutality, received death threats from a Police officer (recorded on tape!), been threatened of arrest by several magistrates and judges for speaking as a FREE MAN ON THE LAND, and of other harassments. An SS agent stole my £600 digital camera. A British journalist made death threat against me and my son! I was even assaulted by a Black Police Officer in London after the explosions that occured on 7 July 2005!


    Well, LOVE, what I need to say is that you must do exactly as I have done at home because of those SS people! I have a camera ready which I turn on as soon as I let any stranger in! Even if I do not get the picture, I can still grab the conversation. You are never too careful with those scoundrels.

    From experience, even if you inform their superiors, they do not care at all! One BLACK association tried to frame me by accusing me of “racism and anti-Semitism”. When challenged and threatened of Court action, they could never provide me with a transcript of my alleged “racist and anti-Semitic” telephone statements!

    I can only guess why the SS has not arrested me yet! I do not belong to any religious group or political party and never voted in my life! In my younger days, because of my frequent encounters with the Law and the Fascists, I always said:

    Put me in jail even for one night, but make sure you never release me! This is how REAL men should talk, and I managed to live 64 years without changing my ways. I never cheated, stole, fornicated, harmed anybody, coveted the wife of my neighbour, disrespected my parents, made any false testimony against anybody, been on drugs, worshipped any idols, etc.

    Reading your comments, I am sure you have much material. Much of what I write about is material I have already used in my previous articles elsewhere, and more and more is becoming available thanks to the Internet! I was the only one (to my knowledge) to have written here about Dimitri Khalezov regarding 9/11, and I do not remember anybody has ever questioned me about it! WHY?

    Did you read the poem of Adriana Evangelizt “Jesus the Messenger of Light” of which I gave you the links? I have also some first hand experience about the SPIRIT REALM, but there is nobody to share it with! People get scared easily or have no knowledge at all about the “paranormal” or will simply say this is all nonsense!

    I need only ONE person here of a certain calibre to pay attention to what I write, and you have been that one! This has allowed (motivated) me to continue writing.

    Thanks for your kind thoughts. I SAID and quoted an Egyptian prayer for Mark Glenn and Keith Johnson yesterday. I HAVE MY REASONS FOR DOING SO!

    Many thanks for caring and may GOD bless you too as well as your loved ones! Please, BE CAREFUL! I’LL OF COURSE PRAY FOR YOU! I still would like to have your Email address!



  67. #67 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/20/2010 - 10:47 am

    D Costa says:
    November 20, 2010 at 3:36 am

    “Mahmoud El-Yousseph,

    You wrote sweet words from a higher level of understanding. People here surely miss you. I wish you the very best.”

    I trust D Costa for saying that Mahmoud El-Youseph wrote sweet words. Unfortunately, I did not have the chance to read those sweet words “from a higher level of understanding”.

    I was only arguing about a few statements he made.

    But, as Mark Glenn says, HE WILL NOT ALLOW ANYBODY BASHING HIS FREINDS HERE, and this I will respect until the last comment I’ll be allowed to make here because I regard this platform as a HOME where the HOST and his GUESTS are interacting. Some of the guests do displayy gross misbehaviour and this cannot be tolerated. I would not mind at all if my host tells me one day : basheer, enough is enough! You have violated the sacred rule of hospitality and you cannot stay her anymore. I would of course respect his decision and take leave of you all. But, when this time comes, it will! It wil be the WILL of GOD, as Believers say.

    Now, coming back to MY BROTHER OF THE FAITH, Mahmoud, he even bears the name of the Holy Prophet of Islam, MUHAMMAD, peace and blessings be upon him. According to Islam, we belong to the SAME UNIVERSAL FAMILY OF MUHAMMAD, the UMMAH!

    So, MAHMOUD is not my enemy unless he proves himself to be one. I have prayed with hundreds of Muslims here, shoulder to shoulder, but because of their decadent western indoctrination, I can trust only a few of them. So, calling yourself a Muslim today is not enough. You have to behave like one.

    Let me give you another example of how my ‘sick mind’ works. Mahmoud identifies himself as a “proud” American citizen who “loves” and “respect” his country. The conflict lies in a difference in understanding regarding PRIDE and the love and serving of what I regard as a Satanic entity, a Christian country taken over by diabolical Jews!

    Muslim Dr Mahboob Shazad invited me to join his political party “British Muslims for Secular Democracy”. I wrote to MY MUSLIM BROTHER from the same Muslim Universal Family that I saw something wrong in the name of his political party and explained to him my objections. I said:

    Secular means ATHEIST.

    Democracy means MOB RULE.

    I reminded him that both concepts were totally anti-Islamic. He should have known this as a leader, but he did not. So, I had to explain and elaborate on my objections. So, I wrote to him back and said.

    Islam is always in favour of a REPUBLIC that respects the INALIENABLE GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS of the People (as in the case of the US Republic with its Constitution and Bill of Rights), whereas a democracy always ends up in RACISM, FASCISM, TOTALITARIANISM and DICTATORSHIP. I insisted it was not my point of view, but the ISLAMIC POINT OF VIEW.

    But, Dr Mahboob Shazad did not like my objections asnd we had some hot exchanges and finally I had to dump this Brother of mine with the others, that is the liars, hypocrites and traitors. So, for the past few years he has been my arch-enemy.

    My own elder Blood Brother, from the same maternal womb, married to an Anglo-Saxon White woman, became a citizen of the UK a long time ago, has many children, loves and serves his new home-land of which he is very proud. Now, let me see what I know he has been doing to please his new homeland through a process called INTEGRATION-ASSIMILATION. The last time I saw him was in 1991, I think.

    1. He has been living and operating a local Mafia for decades in the oldest town in Britain (a military garrison town) where he renounced his Muslim religion in order to please his White English masters.
    2. Whenever he visited his native homeland Mauritius, he made sure nobody knew he was an apostate and still pretended to be a Muslim.
    3. He sold and drank alcohol.
    4. He sold tobacco, pork, pornographic material, women, stolen goods…
    5. He bribed the Conservative local Member of Parliament, an alcoholic whose wife would run away later on with a Pastor or something like that.
    6. He was protected by the Humanist and Freemasonic County Courts from people like me.
    7. He is a crook, a thief and a womaniser.
    8. He is what the British racists and Fascists call “integrated-assimilated” citizen, the type they like and use all the time.
    9. Salman Rushdie and he would make a perfect Satanic pair, the first in the intellectual circles and the latter in the business circles.

    So, I have never been critical of my neighbour while hiding the faults of my own family or Community.

    If Mahmoud El-Yousseph is a true, sincere, faithful and loyal Muslim, then we are ONE in purpose, and there is no reason for MY BROTHER to be offended. I did not call him “a viper or white sepulchre|” or being part of the “Synagogue of Satan”, not yet! He should show himself stronger than that if he wants to LOVE and SERVE FREEDOM and JUSTICE and not run away because of just a few blanks aimed at his arguments (not at him!)!

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    November 19, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    Dear all,
    “I will no longer post any more comments on this thread. Nor would I be engaged in any more mud slinging, no matter what.”

    So, I would beg of MY BROTHER to reconsider. Maybe I am the crazy one after all. I do not claim to be better than Mahmoud El-Yousseph, and I am willing to MAKE PEACE with him and start afresh, insha’ALLAH!



  68. #68 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/20/2010 - 7:56 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 20, 2010 at 3:47 pm


    “If I am harsh in my criticizm of certain people you can be pretty sure they deserved it. ”

    I hold the same view.

    “If you call yourself a truthteller with ability to reach and influence the public be prepared to face criticizm and grow from it to be a better truthteller rather than get defensive with the tendency to cover up your weakness and mistakes.” D Costa

    I always invite criticism of whatever I write, and keep repeating that I am not to be believed but to do their own research. But, I always ask people to be methodical, to quote me, which they rarely do, to prove me wrong, which they almost never do, to respect a set of rules, which they seem to rarely have or follow, and to learn at least the basics of the art of criticism.

    But, most of the time they have an agenda other than the truth and do not seem to understand that fairness demands expertise in the matter and not only partial knowledge and to keep away from false concepts, fanaticism and propaganda. Too often, commentators are addicted to drop a line or two (like bird droppings!) just because they have nothing else/better to do or nowhere else to go.

    I just check an article posted on “Le Matinal” regarding the conversion of Hindus to Christianity and about the Hindus who do not seem to understand what their religion is all about.


    This unleashed repeated attacks on Islam and Muslims. Why? Because the author happens to be a Muslim, but a Hindu started the initial article on the same theme. The Muslim just followed it up! So, my point is that most of the time people speaks besides the point and post much irrelevant material to the issues raised, and they cannot prove an argument wrong because they simply do not care or do have have enough knowledge about the subject.

    “If you want to shut all dissent you are no different to Zionist Jewish tyrants who are terrorizing people here and in the Middle East.” D Costa

    This has never been the case with me to prevent people from joining in a debate. But, dissent has to be based on provable facts otherwise it is a mere waste of time.

    “Mark Glenn seems to have committed a huge error by putting Mark Dankof and Michael Collins Piper in the same basket as Bob Tuskin.”

    I know Mark Dankoff and Michael Collins Piper, but I know nothing about Bob Tuskin. But, before I say that Mark Glenn has made any mistake, I need to know which one in specific terms. As I told you I did not like David Duke demonising Islam and Muslims, but I still support him because I can see all the good he is doing as well. I was getting fed up with Pr Texe Marrs lately, because he demonising of Islam and Muslims is non stop, but I still promote him because I have know him to be one of the bravest among Americans! I simply do not share his fanaticism regarding religion.

    Father Mark Glenn, his nine children and their blessed mother are more important to me than anything else!



  69. #69 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/21/2010 - 7:32 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 21, 2010 at 5:10 am


    “Where I am concerned no one should be above the law including ones own family members and we cannot have double standards.”

    It is certainly not double standards! I never had any double standards, but you did not provide us with the facts here to base any judgement on.

    I am just parroting Islamic Law here as I did regarding Alex Jones and which Daryl Bradford Smith mistook for a mistake or double standard. But, I won’t discuss Islamic Law here.

    It is most certainly a bias, but not a double standard. You saw me write about MY OWN BROTHER HERE, THE SON OF SATAN COMING FROM THE SAME WOMB AS MYSELF!

    As for any mistakes committed by Mark, I will be the first one to point them out as soon as I see it! First, I need to be armed with the truth! Regarding Mark, his wife and children, I am waging another battle on the spiritual and Spirit levels, but I cannot explain here, not even to Mark!

    So, I do not see how I can be accused of double standards regarding Mark Glenn!

    Sorry to disagree, LOVE.


  70. #70 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/22/2010 - 12:18 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 22, 2010 at 12:16 am


    “Double standards” were mentioned in the earlier post not the latest.”

    Sorry, LOVE, this will teach me to pay more attention when I write.


  71. #71 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/24/2010 - 1:52 pm

    D Costa says:
    November 23, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    “Bob Tuskin and Gordon Duff have behaved like the ADL, SPLC, Eric Cantor and other Jews by getting defensive and waging attacks on people who have criticised them.
    Mark Glenn has got himself into this too. It is important that Mark Glenn does not drag Mark Dankof and Michael Collins Piper into this mess with Bob Tuskin because the latter seems to be someone totally different.”

    I promise I’ll find some time and investigate this BOB TUSKIN matter! But, I really do not wish to be distracted too much, but I would like to finish my comments on the podcast first.



  72. #72 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 12/02/2010 - 11:46 pm

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    November 19, 2010 at 3:41 am


    “I have noticed that about 30 of the comments came from you.”

    I stopped writing on the 24th of November. We are the 2nd of December , how many comments from others did anybody see after that date?

    Most of my questions about the USS Liberty as well as those of 9/11 and 7/7 have remained unanswered. WHY?


  73. #73 by Colin Smith on 11/11/2012 - 7:48 pm

    There is a book in existence which claims that the Liberty was in contact by hydrophone with a Polaris submarine sitting on the seabed beneath it. The book claimed that the US had given some sort of undertaking to the Egyptians regarding Israel’s behaviour (did Israel have nukes then?). I guess Israel didn’t like the Liberty listening in on it’s comms traffic. Hence the attack. Never found the book again, but it made an impression on me, as it was an entirely unexpected explanation or the motivation for the attack. Has anyone out there read this book? I borrowed it from the N. Vancouver library in around 1975.

  74. #74 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/11/2012 - 10:34 pm

    #88 by Colin Smith on November 11, 2012 – 7:48 pm
    “…the Liberty was in contact by hydrophone with a Polaris submarine sitting on the seabed beneath it.”

    #87 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on December 2, 2010 – 11:46 pm

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    November 19, 2010 at 3:41 am


    “I have noticed that about 30 of the comments came from you.”

    After this response of mine (Number 87), the only comment that has been posted during the entire of nearly two years is the present one (Number 88), showing how deluded some people are when they are p….. off with what others have to say and with which they disagree, but cannot (are unable) disprove with new evidence or otherwise. I am not here referring to my Brother Mahmoud, but saying this in general.

    Many lies have been told by even the USS LIBERTY TRUTHERS, knowingly or unknowingly. I knew the SURVIVORS were lying because they HAD TO unless somebody can prove to me that the US military do not swear to keep their mouth shut when ordered to (through bribe, blackmail, threats, etc.).

    The USS LIBERTY was indeed in contact with anything imaginable from the US surveillance apparatus (including space satellite) because it was all PART OF THE JOHNSON JOINT-US-ISRAELI EXPANSIONIST OPERATION against the Arab countries.

    A few of my many arguments which can be fully documented were (from memory) that

    1. The US Military was present in the Israeli Military Headquarters monitoring the Operation while it was being carried out as well as the attack on the USS LIBERTY!

    2. The NSA had a surveillance plane flying at high altitude over the USS LIBERTY while it was being attacked! “CLASSIFIED” information? The usual shit for cover ups!

    3. Western journalists were present on one of the battleships of the Sixth Fleet when the operation started, but when the attack failed, they were all rounded up and ordered to shut up! It is well known that the leaders of mainstream journalists were all at the time under direct orders of the Rockefellers and other Jewish Media barons!

    4. British journalist Alan Hart was sent by his own journal to LINK WITH THE ISRAELI ARMY ON THE WAR ZONE ITSELF and he did not tell us the whole truth about what really happened. When confronted by me, he ignored my objections.

    5. At that time, the US military would never give any order to use nuclear weapons against an adversary of Israel UNLESS IT WAS PRE-PLANNED, and especially when heavily armed Soviet warships were in the area!

    6. While the operation was going on, Lyndon B. Johnson – the Commander of the US Military – was having sex with a Jewish whore somewhere!

    7. The manner in which the Operation itself was carried out and the time it took for the Sixth Fleet to supposedly send out help, Johnson’s and Mcnamara’s order to send back the planes, clearly indicated that the US too was behind the attack.

    8. Johnson did not want to embarrass Israel “an ally”? Who can buy this crap? Yet, the Americans bought it!

    9. Where had gone the warship that accompanied the limping USS LIBERTY after the attack?

    10. Which US ship accompanied the USS LIBERTY to safety after the attack?

    A Polaris submarine sitting on the seabed beneath the USS LIBERTY makes perfect sense to me and FITS IN PERFECTLY with my findings.

    I am thankful to Colin Smith for adding this bit of very plausible information and giving me the opportunity to respond again.


  75. #75 by sea on 11/11/2012 - 10:47 pm

    $30 million a day, that’s a new USS Liberty ship every 4 days, were the dollar worth the same.

    So they save it in their piggy banks?!

  76. #76 by Ahmad Sabour on 11/12/2012 - 2:30 am

    Is it not true that it was a US sub nearby which blew a hole in the side of the Liberty? Anyone have more info on this?

  77. #77 by Ingrid B on 11/12/2012 - 2:37 am

    what can I say, we must stay focused, learn to respect one another, learn from one another..

    the pics show a before, and after, scenario, where a gleaming, spic and span ship, who`se crew was standing, to attention, in spotless uniforms, was reduced to wreckage, and the crew, dead, injured, or traumatised.. Those who did that to this ship, have done the same thing to many countries, turned to rubble and ruin, their citizens dead, injured, or traumatized.. The Jewish controlled US government, DID ALL THIS..

    I just can`t understand why US forces have not wised up, and instead of turning their weapons on those responsible, continue to facilitate the diabolical plan.. maybe they should ask themselves, what`s in it for them..

  78. #78 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/12/2012 - 3:17 pm

    #91 by Ahmad Sabour on November 12, 2012 – 2:30 am

    “Is it not true that it was a US sub nearby which blew a hole in the side of the Liberty?”

    Where did you get this one?

    But, then it would be foolish to claim that the submarine failed to sink the USS LIBERTY!

    Israelis on the contrary are famous for carrynig out lousy jobs like the one on 9/11 and many others! They are often found out, even caught in the act, but as they (and their financial gangsters) control almost every lever of the Western ruling apparatus, they are never bothered!


  79. #79 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/12/2012 - 3:24 pm

    Remember the USS LIBERTY

    #92 by Ingrid B on November 12, 2012 – 2:37 am

    1. why US forces have not wised up?
    2. turning their weapons on those responsible?

    1. The US forces will never wise up because SEE HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE PROVED OR SHOWN THEMSELVES TO BE well-trained assassins, mercenaries enjoying our tax money galore, liars, worse than wild beasts, perverts, homosexuals, torturers, and not fit to be called humans at all!

    2. This is why the French military never called me for duty because they knew my mindset from my writings. Malcom X had the same mindset and logic!

    3. stay focused, learn to respect one another, learn from one another.

    The time is for ACTION and REVOLUTION and not for PHILOSOPHY!


  80. #80 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/12/2012 - 3:37 pm

    Some weeks ago somebody told me that America was having new elections!

    I answered:
    Really? I do not read “the news”! Are they selecting another Alien to rule over them, those idiots?

    Another day, I was greeted by a White American lady living a few houses down the road. She was jubilating: Obama won! Obama won!

    I said:
    Obama? Who is Obama?

    She sincerely believed I did not know and explained to me the whole story about that Alien African Muslim Lizard (with a Voodoo Jewish wife) who produced so many orgasms in the White American nation!

    And, you know the rest of the story!

    Why not instead demand a vote for an independant trial on the USS LIBERTY and the 9/11 HOLOCAUSTS with no bloody Jews or Israelis or AIPAC paid agents sitting on the panel of Judges? This will be the Day when America will be really FREE!

    Long Live Free America!


  81. #81 by ruby22-kate on 11/13/2012 - 12:59 am

    @BAFS: “who is there to provide us with the answer? Was or wasn’t a Russian warship present nearby and WHY did it not come to the rescue of the USS LIBERTY? How much did the Russians witness or DID THE ISRAELIS JAM THEIR RADIOS AS WELL???????”

    Hello Basheer, back to the thread, I’ve read that Russian spy satelites filmed the entire encounter and even broke protocol to notify the US. The ordinary Israeli soldiers definitely knew because some Iz.service men refused orders to attack and were punished (court martialed,? not sure.) by the Israeli military.

    The beauty of the false flag is the deniability it gives to the provocature.

    The media claimed that Watergate was the disgrace of US political establishment, in my book the assault on the Liberty was/is the paramount iconic crime of my generation. And like Watergate, the cover up can be considered worse than the crime.

  82. #82 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/13/2012 - 3:44 am

    #96 by ruby22-kate on November 13, 2012 – 12:59 am

    @BAFS: “who is there to provide us with the answer? Was or wasn’t a Russian warship present nearby and WHY did it not come to the rescue of the USS LIBERTY? How much did the Russians witness or DID THE ISRAELIS JAM THEIR RADIOS AS WELL???????”

    Dear Ruby

    I post tons of facts all backed by evidence, but only very few are really interested.

    There was a Soviet warship in sight when the Israeli were attacking the USS Liberty! THIS WAS THE MAIN REASON WHY THEY STOPPED!

    Now, it was a Soviet warship that accompanied the USS Liberty after the attack. I am not inventing this as I SAW IT in a documentary that is still in my archives!

    There were Israelis on board of the USS Liberty, “dancing” or not. Where have they vanished?

    One surveillance expert joined the USS Liberty at the last minute before it headed towards the war zone and HE KNEW HE WOULD NOT COME BACK ALIVE! How did he know? His wife confessed that when they kissed each other goodbye, her husband behaved as if he was not going to return alive!

    I have also in my archives documentary evidence to prove that the Russians struck a deal with the Americans (and Israelis) that they would not intervene during the attacks. I was in Moscow when the Arabs complained to the Russians who REFUSED to get involved although they had a Treaty. It was a colossal betrayal EXACTLY AS IT IS TODAY WITH THE SYRIANS!

    After that the Russians sent half a million Russian non Jews to settle in occupied Palestine and thousands of Russian Jews and Communists were allowed freely to leave for Israel (and other places). I tried to get my son Olyeg out since 1970 when I learned he was not dead (?) and wrote to Leonid Breznev and the French President. I was not Jewish and I received no help! I tried to contact “General” Shah Massoud (that idiot) in the Panshir Valley in Afghanistan when my son was 18 and was going to be sent there to kill CIA Afghanis who were fighting both Soviet and Afghan Communists (many were my former Moscow University Comrades).

    I was to learn later that Massoud, after working for the French and the US, had joined the CIA to fight the Afghani Students (Taaliban) trained by the CIA and who had taken over the government. The CIA with French complicity later murdered Massoud and put the blame on a Belgian Muslim (Dahmane) who settled with his wife Malika El Aroud because they found that the ‘Islamic’ Government suited their religion and way of life. Yvonne Ridley found out that the Students “Talibaan) were real gentlemen. This made her later embrace Islam. Malika returned to Belgium and later settled in Switzerland. But, because the Jews have taken over even Switzerland which is no more neutral at all, Malika was sentenced to 7 years in jail for “terrorism”. Would you believe that? We were contemplating of getting married when I went to visit her in Brussels, but that fool was too obstinate and neither her “religion” nor her struggle appealed to me at all! She married another Brother (Moaz) who is now fighting in Afghanistan.

    Today, the Armenian and Jewish Kosher Nostra are running the Russian government. Putin is just a mass murderer (Chechnya) and a bloody liar! Both Yeltsin and Lebedyev are as Jewish as Nicolas Sarkozy, Laurent Fabius, Bernard Henri Levi, Daniel Cohn Bendit, Jacques Attali, and Dominique Strauss Kahn and thousands others who are running the Western New World Order (Disorder)!

    The Israeli jammed nothing!

    Remember 9/11 and 7/7. They were in control of literally everything in both the US and the UK. And, in France and Japan!

    But, I am sure Mark Glenn has more facts than me as he co-authored a book with Phil Tourney on the USS LIBERTY. I just have a different perspective than Brother Mark on certain matters (and a few facts unknown to most of us), which does not mean I am right!

    “Russian spy satelites filmed the entire encounter and even broke protocol to notify the US”

    Filming, why not?
    But, as to the Russians breaking protocol “to notify the US”, this is definitely not true. If we could just check the activity of NSA and NASA Surveillance teams (most is “CLASSIFIED” unfortunately) or what has been said about and around their activities on that fateful day – ALL LIES – we’ll understand that they were ALL covering up the real Operation!

    Do you remember all the lies told about and around NORAD activities on 9/11? It is exactly the same scenario!

    I am too lazy to consult my archives, to write more and be more precise. I should have written a book instead of writing on forums. At least, all my findings would be more easily accessible. You won’t believe me. I am right now trying to debunk many “Ufologists”; many are my own acquaintances. I have already made a staunch enemy: Olivier “de Sedona”, of Arizona.

    And, I have not yet paid my gas, water and electricity bills! Buying too many presents for my babies!

    Thanks for helping in the debate.


  83. #83 by Ahmad Sabour on 11/13/2012 - 4:11 am

    #93 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally Supposedly, several eyewitnesses observed the US sub preparing and then launching the lone torpedo that tore a hole in the side of the Liberty. This action was allegedly taken as a last dicth effort to sink the ship after the misfiring of the previous Israeli torpedos.

  84. #84 by ruby22-kate on 11/13/2012 - 5:11 pm

    #97 – Dear Basheer, ““Russian spy satellites filmed the entire encounter and even broke protocol to notify the US”

    You have the scholar’s eye to note what’s somewhat out of place. I added that ‘broke protocol to notify US’ I don’t remember exactly what I read, by what means the Russians notified Lyndon Johnson; but strongly believe that the Russians alerted the US in real time.

    That the rescuers were ordered to stand down, I wonder what went into that decision? Did LBJ still think the false flag scenario could be salvaged?
    How frustrating and disappointing for the Commander in Chief, the American sailors had no intention of lining up and quietly proceeding to the ‘shower room.’

    Basheer, I am sorry for your troubles. The loss of Massoud at such a young age, entangled in whatever the creative terrorist plots thought up in Hollywood for CIA, the Taliban, etc. to divert the public at the same time confuse the public by using the same casts of characters, only their names, jobs, and locale change.

    I’m sorry such lack of ethics cost you the unforgivable loss of your son, for little, if any, discernible change in the state of the world of terror.

  85. #85 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 11/13/2012 - 9:03 pm

    #99 by ruby22-kate on November 13, 2012 – 5:11 pm

    “You have the scholar’s eye to note what’s somewhat out of place.”

    That’s a very nice and a quite rare compliment, meaning that I am not that bad after all. Thanks.

    What I understood was that the Russians did not have to notify Lyndon Johnson at all, because Johnson was himself cvarrying out the operation and his men were sitting at the Jewish HQ monitoring everything.

    One thing, at least, is very interesting and of vital importance in the following article: “The order of criminal war president Johnson was: “I want that god damn ship going to the bottom. No help. Recall the wings.”


    8 June 1967: “Liberty” case: “USA” wanted the occupation of whole Middle East

    Since Cuba crisis the “US” strategists developed many scenarios how making wars in all the world. One of the sceneries was to bomb an own ship for sinking, blaming the enemy and to occupy the country. This should be performed in the Middle East in 1967 with the “American” ship “USS Liberty”.

    USS Liberty before the attack of 8 June 1967
    USS Liberty before the attack of 8 June 1967 [1]
    USS Liberty after the attack of 8 June 1967
    USS Liberty after the attack of 8 June 1967 [2]

    Little chronology

    by Michael Palomino (2010)

    Share: Facebook

    from: VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSyMBDq5efg

    6 June 1967
    6 day war – Israel is occupying more territory for a “Greater Israel”

    8 June 1967: President Johnson tries to sink an own ship by bombing as a pretext occupying the whole Middle East

    At the beginning of the 1960s after Cuba crisis general chief of staff Lemnitzer invents several scenarios to begin a war. One of the “scenarios” is letting crash a remote controlled Boeing airplane blaming a Communist state for the crash. Another possibility is sinking an own ship and blaming the enemy for this so the enemy could be attacked.

    On 8 June 1967 the second version is tried out in front of the Israeli coast. It is a maneuver to enlarge the war against the Arab world. Criminal war president Johnson and criminal, Jewish racist Zionist government in Jerusalem made a secret agreement that an “American” war ship should be sinked and the crew should be killed. Egypt should be blamed for the sinking of the ship and by this the “USA” should have the possibility to enter the war for an occupation of the whole Middle East. [Criminal “USA” and Zionist racist regime in Jerusalem wanted to realize their “Greater Israel” according to first book of Mose, chapter 15, phrase 18].

    The criminal war president Johnson and his foreign minister McNamara let bomb the “American” war ship “USS Liberty” that is marked with a big “American” flag on the rear end. The Jewish racist Zionist bombers are bombing the ship with the aim to sink the “USS Liberty”. The Jewish racist Zionist Mirage 3 fighter bombers are not marked with any flag, so the crew does not know from whom comes the attack. The Jewish pilots have the order from the Jewish racist Zionist regime to bomb the “American” ship, napalm and white phosphor bombs. The pilots recognize the “American” flag, but then they obey to the criminal Zionist government of Jerusalem. The ship is burning for hours.

    The crew of “USS Liberty” can send some emergency signals instead Jewish racist Zionist military command is blocking the radio traffic in the region of “USS Liberty”. An “American” aircraft carrier of the 6th “US” fleet is near and wants to send two squadrons of jet fighters. But now war president Johnson and foreign secretary McNamara are intervening: They prohibit any help for “USS Liberty” giving order for a return of the “US” jet fighters with the aim that “USS Liberty” will sink. The order of criminal war president Johnson was: “I want that god damn ship going to the bottom. No help. Recall the wings.” The protests of the local commanders of the aircraft carriers have no success.

    Then also 3 Jewish racist Zionist torpedo boats are coming and hit the “USS Liberty” with torpedoes so the ship in fact is in danger to sink. When the “American” crew wants to save themselves with rescue boats also the rescue boats are attacked by the torpedo boats with the aim to murder the whole crew of “USS Liberty” by massive machine gun fire because all the witnesses should be “eliminated”. Dozens of “American” seamen of “USS Liberty” are killed, 100s are badly wounded.

    The ship is in international waters and by this the whole action is recognizable as a maneuver of the “USA” and racist Zionist regime of Jerusalem. But now there is happening something that president Johnson and the racist Zionist government in Jerusalem have not foreseen: There comes a Russian spy boat and is filming all. So this criminal “American” Zionist action has to be broken up after 3 hours, and the “American” ship has not sunk, and many “American” soldiers survive. Criminal war president Johnson and criminal general chief of staff Lemnitzer stay without reason for entering the war and occupying the whole Middle East. The maneuver is going wrong and is presented to the public as a “regrettable error”.

    The surviving commander of the ship “USS Liberty”, William L. McGonagle, affirms that his ship always was in international waters. At the same time the survivors get the order to keep silence, and when they would say something there would be prison for life or death penalty. Commander McGonagle receives the Medal of Honor by the Congress, but only in secret. The general chief of staff of the time before, Moore, is detecting all lies about this case later.

    VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSyMBDq5efg

    The Stupid States are absolutely criminal inventing reasons for wars, resp. it seems that the criminal energy in the Pentagon has no limits: There was Pearl Harbor with the ship Lusitania – but the attack of Pearl Harbor was known 10 days before. There was the Tonking case which was a lie, there was 11 September 2001 which was a blasting operation, there was the indication of weapons of mass destruction of Saddam Hussein which was a lie, there is the indication of nuclear plans of Ahmadinejad which are a lie etc. etc. (indication of Gunther Kümel).

    When will come the Nuremberg for these criminal “USA”? When will stop criminal racist Zionism with the phrase “Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates (1st book of Mose, chapter 15, phrase 18)”? (questions of Michael Palomino)

    As for the loss of my son, the scar is so deep and the wound still wide open. Sometimes I do feel real pain and burst into tears when I think about it. Thanks for your kind words.


  86. #86 by galwayspaniard on 11/14/2012 - 2:55 pm

    To El-Yousseph:

    This episode in the store is typical but once ignorant people like that lady learn the truth, they may be your best backers. Even though I had a lot of bad times and wear little if anything to show I am a veteran, I like seeing guys like you wear an Air Force cap. Just remember that the majority of people respect you. I got out of Corps in 71 and to this day can’t stand the loud Vietnam Vet caps but I do like the simpler caps that people wear.
    I had a lot of overseas time and I can tell you that in late 60s, early 70s, most Marines were invisible to the public. They looked right through them. Old timers would pick up hitchhikers like me (especially with crewcut and uniform with doodads), a sure sign of concern, but overall it was dismal and I never saw Marines drawing attention to themselves. I wore uniform as I got plenty of rides when hitchhiking. I once ended up on a subway and people looked at me like I was a Martian but a young black guy came up to me and asked me a hundred questions about his former unit in Vietnam. He was ecstatic in a way and offered me any help I needed.
    I try to always remember this- one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar.
    It is kind of strange to me that so many ribbons are given out for war but so little given out for maintaining peace. I told American Legion it should change its rules for membership but no luck. Hard service in peacetime can be far more tiring than service in certain war zones.

  87. #87 by Fak War on 06/08/2013 - 8:57 am

    The Jews need to pay with compound interest for this and all their other diabolical crimes.
    But that also applies to the high roller agents of zion in the USA and UK.

  88. #88 by jo on 06/08/2013 - 10:49 am

    When the US sleeping giant is awakened, it will feel a little itch on its neck and will scratch it inadvertently crushing the cause. That will be the end of the parasitic country of Israel.

  89. #89 by mantiqaltayr on 06/08/2013 - 4:10 pm

    Wonderful post Mark. The pictures are amazing.

  90. #90 by Luciana on 06/08/2013 - 10:13 pm

    Thank you so much for all your articles today Mark. I had to share some. Today has been a History lesson for me. God Bless all the servicemen from USS Liberty. May their voices be heard.

  91. #91 by annebeck58 on 06/09/2013 - 1:59 am

    Again, Mark, thank you for reposting– or directing us to older posts, regarding the USS Liberty, attacked by Isra-Hell, 46 years ago, today.
    This needs to be up-front and center, in every American history class, starting today. Will it ever be exposed as it really went down, or will it continue to be covered-up? The country, as well as the world, needs to be made aware of this horrendous act, unprovoked and never really responded to (or investigated.) How sad for our country.

    And, then…,
    I started to go through the comments from Nov, 2010, and saw my best-pal was here to impress everyone with his intellect, as well as to offend as many as possible. Not coming across him for the past few months has been refreshing, particularly when I’m reminded what a blowhard I’m (not) missing.

  92. #92 by ladybat2 on 06/10/2013 - 4:54 pm

    Remembering all those American service people aboard the USS Liberty. Thank you for your service to our nation. Thank you for standing up and telling the truth even though it cost you much to do it. Thank you for teaching me what all my years in school never taught. Thank you for being the best example to follow. Thank you.

  93. #93 by Howard on 02/10/2014 - 10:14 am

    I am well aware of the tactics of you, my Zionist brethren, and use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts.
    If the person is a Gentile, you cry, “You’re anti-Semitic” which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.
    But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics.
     First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
     If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
     If that doesn’t work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn’t been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
     If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.
     But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.
    So, before you start your efforts to quiet me, I OFFER THIS CHALLENGE:
    You Zionists assemble a number of Zionist Jews and witnesses to support your position; and I will assemble a like number of anti-Zionist, pro-American Jews and witnesses.
    Then, the Zionists and the Anti-Zionists will state their position and debate the material in this book as well as related material – the debate TO BE HELD ON PUBLIC TELEVISION.
    Let’s explore the information and let the American people decide for themselves if the information is true or false.
    Certainly, you will willingly accept the challenge if what I have written is false.
    But, if you resort to crying, *Lies, all lies,* and refuse to debate the material you will, in effect, be telling the American people that what I have written are the true facts.
    Jack Bernstein- (This honest and courageous Jew was assassinated some years ago, by MOSSAD-the Israel Murder Squad).
    My Farewell to Israel, Thorn of the Middle East
    By Jack Bernstein

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  95. #95 by Isaac on 06/08/2015 - 7:54 pm

    Israel is an entity of murderous people. They are not humans, they have no soul, no heart, they only like blood, pain, suffering, starvation, they rejoice with the pain of others. Soon they all will pay for what they have done to humanity.

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