TUT Podcast Jan 10, 2012


We are honored and pleased to have on the program for the first time Sheik Imran Hosein, internationally-consulted scholar on geo-politics and the insidious agenda the Zionists are enforcing upon the world.

Tonight’s discussion–The ‘Arab Spring’ as a fraud’, Islamic eschatology and its prophecy of the Anti-Christ, and the inevitability of the Christian and Islamic peoples converging in cooperative union againstthe forces of evil worldwide. 

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  1. #1 by Lindsey on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Yay! The honorable Sheikh Hosein is a TRUE man-of-God. I want to personally and warmly welcome all of those who are new to The Ugly Truth and are coming for his interview to this wonderful forum.

    God bless all of you doing good and excellent work.

    Who REALLY runs our world? search “israel Did 911, All the Proof in the World” and search “ZionCrimeFactory” for proof. Tell the world!
    “Reporting on the death of supremacist Zionist leader David Wolffsohn, the September 17, 1914 edition of THE NEW YORK TIMES tells us that during his closing address at the Zionist Congress at the Hague in 1907 Wolffsohn “pleaded for greater unity among the Jews and said that eventually they must conquer the world.”

    http://www.zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order

    LINDSEY

  2. #2 by Lindsey on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Mark, I want to say this loudly and clearly for everyone to hear:

    This broadcast between CHRISTIAN Brother Mark Glenn and MUSLIM Sheikh Imran Hosein is the EPITOMY of what the Crescent and Cross Foundation represents. Both Muslims–the Crescent–and Christians–the Cross–are united in-solidarity for the benefit of exposing the MORTAL-THREAT allayed against ALL OF HUMANITY, and are united in-solidarity for the reason that BOTH RELIGIONS LOVE JESUS THE CHRIST and want the world to TRY to make the world better than we found it.

    God bless the both of you, and I can only hope and pray that Sheikh Imran promotes this site far-and-wide so that potentially hundreds-of-thousands of his devotees can see that there are great Christians such as yourself, Mark Glenn, who are fighting FOR THEM, and for the REST OF THE WORLD, in the fight against the intended “jewish-Utopia.”

    This broadcast has certainly made me happy, and I sincerely hope that Sheikh Imran comes-back somewhat often to share his thoughts as events warrant.

    LINDSEY

  3. #3 by Druid on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    2011??

    😀

  4. #4 by MJ on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Welcome Sh. Imran Hosein to TUT.
    Mark would you believe I am having internet issues today! I’ll take my laptop to a better location and comment later : D!

  5. #6 by Ingrid B on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    of course the parasitic entity may just bite off more than it can chew.. glad something finally made Lindsey happy..

  6. #7 by MJ on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Re: Divine sovereignty over state versus sovereignty residing with people.
    Supreme law residing on God laws versus Man made laws.
    The transformation of an Islamic movement into an Islamic party.

    I always wondered why they would vote in, Allah’s shariah and how they would explain to Allah that they voted in his law using demo(n)-crazy. Especially when the basis of that system/poltical theory negates His sovereignty.
    Those Shaykhs like you said Sh. Imran are self deluding even if they are well meaning..
    Once the Islamic framework is in place they can vote and use mutual consultation on those who they deem best to wear the heavy mantles of authority and responsibility that are placed in these positions.

    May their plots always backfire.
    Thank you to both to our host and our guest.

  7. #8 by Gabriel Jones on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    ‘Jesus lived in India’ – JC’s unknown life before and after crucifixion- of the German author Holger Kersten: The Koran, writes HK, states- that JC did’nt die on the cross but passed out and his followers brought him to ”a happy valley”…Kashmir….

    In dec. ’92 the campaign ”Holland free from problems” was launched by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -who was to spend the last 18 years of his Enlightened life till 2008 in the Dutch headquarter of his worldwide movement. MMY was asked, by telephone- from a ground floor campaign office in the Rotterdam WTC- for a comment, how his Vedic Science related to Christianity and wat his thoughts were on the subject of HK’s book.

    MMY started by saying…Ved(a) means Consciousness…and as always hailed the life of JC… and: it doesn’t matter where Christ lived or Moses, Buddha or Muhammad…..

    In short the One impersonal Principle of Conciousness expressing Itself in all of Creations space-time-phenomena and all the different Godmen whose little dual-ego fully surrendered in RealiSATORI….

    The original family name of these bloody red shields is Bauer. BAU! BAU! (their Business As Usual killing mantra) but is it about to end this rather un-healthy jew-all-street gang theater?:

    The latest Real Deal Talk from Tokyo of former Forbes Asia/Pacific Chef Benjamin Fulford:
    http://lightworkersxm.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/benjaamin-fulford-9th-january-2012-latest-blog-important-news/
    ….The FED behind the Obama regime and Israel are giving in…!.

    BTW BF and his White Dragon Society would do wise to contact MUM, Maharishi University of Management. The benefits of MMY’s Transcendental Meditation has been extensively scientifically researched since 1970 and published in the leading academic magazines.
    Prior to 911 MMY placed advertisements in the major newspapers appealing to the the mega-mega-rich to create a World Peace Endowment Fund of 1 billion dollar( needles to say they did not give a dime) with the yearly interest a large enough worldcoherence creating group of Vedic Pandits will do the job from the centre of India.

    Why?: if permanent worldcoherence is not created a new gang will come up when or even while the old gangheads roll.

    See: http://www.worldpeaceendowment.org/endowment1.html

    Hallelujah, ALlahu Akbar

    CIA O

  8. #9 by Kermit on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

  9. #10 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    MARK, please, ignore all my initial postings. THANKS. (Basheer)

    http://fremaux-soormally.blogspot.com/2012/01/christian-mark-glenn-and-muslim-sheikh.html

    Wednesday, 11 January 2012
    FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST MARK GLENN AND SHEIKH IMRAN HOSEIN

    “THE CHRISTIANS TO THE LIONS!”

    Holy Bible New Testament Ephesians 6:12
    New International Version (NIV)

    12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

    (Warning! I have found no conclusive evidence that would allow me to regard the New Testament as an authority on GOD or even Christ, but I do certainly acknowledge it as a carefully selected compilation of sacred, esoteric and philosophical writings which has great wisdom and inspirational and prophetic (warning) value written by mostly anonymous authors quite foreign to the people of Palestine and to the events themselves. This is from my ongoing research based on provable facts and not faith.)

    Allan Kardec is the pen (spirit) name adopted in 1857 by Hippolyte Léon Denizard Rivail (Lyon, October 3, 1804 – Paris, March 31, 1869). On the stele over his tomb at Père-Lachaise Cemetery in Paris, can be read:

    “All effect has a cause.
    All intelligent effect has an intelligent cause.
    The might of the cause is according to the greatness of the effect.”

    To the question “WHAT IS GOD?”, Allan Kardec answers

    “God is the Supreme Intelligence–First Cause of all things.”

    But, gone are the days of GOD and when we were looking for Him, saying we had found Him and were even following His Commandments! Today, although using His name, Dark forces have taken over the entire world and has totally enslaved humanity making literal zombies of nearly seven billion human inhabitants of this planet. There are too few of us who have come close to the truth and reality of this world.

    “The Beast 666” Alexander (Alister) Crowley

    “Nature’s way is to weed out the weak. This is the most merciful way, too. At present all the strong are being damaged, and their progress hindered by the dead weight of the weak limbs and the missing limbs, the diseasesd limbs and the atrophied limbs. The Christians to the lions!”

    “… We must therefore go back to Spartan ideas of education; and the worst enemies of humanity those who wish, under pretext of compassion, to continue its ills through the generations. The Christians to the lions!”

    (Aleister’s Crowley’s “THE LAW”)

    “My eyes were opened and I had become as a god, knowing good and evil.” (A Life of Aleister Crowley, Pg. 32 quoted by Crowley’s biographer Lawrence Sutin)

    When I was studying in Russia, I was mystified when I found the picture of Aleister Crowley on the cover of one of my Beatles’ albums, “Sergeant Pepper’s Club Band”, along with figures like Oscar Wilde, the Rolling Stones, Karl Marx, and Hindu and Buddhist deities and probably of Isis. But, later I understood that all this was part of an evil agenda to corrupt and distract the youth and drag them away from true spirituality and GOD and to the New Age religion.

    Having seen how our educational system has been lying to us and manipulating the minds of our children, I have rejected a long time ago the public school system and am of the opinion that it is deliberately designed by evil forces to harm us and to prevent us from freely using our mental and spiritual faculties.

    Lindsey says:
    January 11, 2012 at 5:08 am

    “This broadcast between CHRISTIAN Brother Mark Glenn and MUSLIM Sheikh Imran Hosein is the EPITOMY of what the Crescent and Cross Foundation represents.”

    Very eloquently said. I share your enthusiasm.

    MARK GLENN IS INDEED THE CHOSEN ONE!

    THE CONTROLLED CORPORATE MEDIA AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM (SEWAGE) ARE TWO OF THOSE EVILS AND THE WAR IS ON BOTH CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS, FOLKS, AND THE DEVILS ARE WINNING BECAUSE WE ARE DOING TOO LITTLE TO STOP THEM!

    Sheikh Imran Hosein is simply GREAT, BRAVE and UNIQUE, alhamdulillah!

    THANK YOU AGAIN, MARK! If only listeners to the following podcast could ACT upon what has been said and not use this great opportunity only as an entertainment!

    Basheer

    MY OBSERVATION ON THE PODCAST

    MARK GLENN A FRIEND OF ISLAM

    If there are so many warmongering “Friends of Israel” worldwide and in particular in Christendom, why should we not have some peace-loving FRIENDS OF ISLAM?

    But, let me first warn that I had not listened to the podcast (not at all) before I made and posted my first contribution here (on The Ugly Truth). It was not difficult for me as Sheikh Imran Hosein was already part of the family.

    In the sense that Sheikh Imran Hosein is not only a great Islamic Scholar, but also one of the world’s best political and financial analysts, I have to be very careful in what I am going to write without being distracted by my two lovely grand children who are now both at “school”, that Citadel of Slavery!

    However, I differ from the Sheikh in that I never base any of my arguments on faith although I must admit that his argument based on eschatology is very solid and plausible. The triumph of truth over falsehood is again a matter of faith or of justice over injustice. I was fascinated by his understanding of the Pax Britannica being taken over by Pax Americana while still keeping much of its vitality and the eventual replacement of Pax Americana with Pax Judaica which we have already seen happening and where the French President, the British Prime Minister and the American President are seen to officially and repeatedly swear allegiance to Israel before their own respective countries. (And Germany too, most probably)

    But, these acts of treason are systematically ignored.

    Yet, I would like to differ with the Sheikh regarding Britain, but I may be wrong. I have said for decades that the British Empire has never collapsed just as I argued that the Soviet Union never collapsed. As long as the British Monarchy will still be in place, England will be the one behind all those war games that are killing millions of people and polluting the entire planet.

    I do agree that Britain State by herself is not that powerful, not anymore, but the bankers ruling over Europe, America, Australia, Canada, France, the UN and Britain are all powerful. They are the ones playing the chess game and on both sides. Britain is just a pawn. When Britain lost the war the bankers had started against the Germans and the Ottomans, WWI, the bankers pushed the US pawn forward.

    Now, those same bankers pushed the German pawn forward and when they decided to sacrifice it, they pushed the British and Soviet pawns. When Britain was losing again, they moved the US pawn again. I will repeat it again here as this is not known to most of us. As soon as WWII was over, the bankers had a big problem with the Soviets because the latter had captured from the Germans all the archives belonging to the Freemasonic Lodge of Paris and their contents were so damning that they were forced to give Russia a lion share in the spoils of war including Poland and all the Muslim nations they had colonized despite the fact that Britain declared she had declared war on Germany to free Poland.

    The bankers’ plan was initially to destroy the Ottomans and the Islamic Caliphate and to then create Israel as a dagger in the heart of Arab and Muslim lands. They succeeded. They always succeed. The Bank Mafia Head Quarters remain Britain and Switzerland (Bank of Settlement) and they are the ones running the US Corporation as a business and not as a nation! America is not inhabited by people, but by slaves of the banking Cartel.

    While there is no such thing as an American people united by religion or ideology, there is indeed such a thing as an Israeli people united by ideology and religion!

    So, America, you better watch out when the bankers will move the Jewish pawn!

    Yes, Napoleon called the British a nation of shopkeepers, but today the British have returned to their old ways as mass murderers, thieves, perverts and torturers.

    The Sheikh is providing us with an eschatological view of the bigger picture which I was not aware of as my knowledge of Islam is quite limited and because of my refusal to use faith in my argumentation. The Sheikh has invited us to go beyond politics and economics, but I have myself been rather beyond FAITH and GOD Himself which does not mean that I have a better method or a clearer view than him although I believe it to be so!

    The Sheikh depth of knowledge and knowledge (science) is so comprehensive that I am in admiration and thank GOD for sending us such a great thinker. I have always expressed hope regarding that part of Christendom that is genuinely following Jesus Christ and believing in THE ONE GOD, and even wrote some time ago about my affinity with Eastern Orthodox Christian Mysticism, which I believe Mark Glenn posted here on The Ugly Truth, but few caught its importance (as usual). Today, the Sheikh is confirming this personal life experience (thanks to my Russian and Polish wives), but on a different level, a religious eschatological level, both Christian and Islamic doctrines concerning the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, the Resurrection of the Dead, or the Last Judgment.

    Yes, the Sheikh has indeed an immense knowledge about finances, international and geo-strategic politics, history, linguistics, eschatology, sociology, military strategy and Islamic scholarship.

    As for the US to engage troops on the ground, I believe the media has well prepared the masses to accept an eventual drop of nuclear bombs on any country they cannot invade! So, they will not have to commit troops on the ground. But, the Sheikh is right: the game is to provoke a number of wars. He is also right about the “Arab Spring” as he predicted in 2002. I need to check my notes as it seems to me that I wrote about this as having been engineered by the West for a specific reason.

    As for Al-Jazeera, I condemned it as a CIA-MOSSAD Front from day one! To my knowledge, I was the only one to have said that in September or October 2001 based on a television broadcast showing Dick Cheney and the Emir of Qatar (?) walking into Al-Jazera headquarters and ordering them not to broadcast the video interview with Sheikh Usama Bin Ladin in which he said he had nothing to do with the attacks of 11 September 20001 and accused Israel and the real government behind the US puppet government instead! And, Aljazeera complied because it seemed to me at the time that I heard or read that the CIA and the Emir had the maximum of shares of the Al-Jazeera network.

    That Islam poses a threat to mankind, the PR has already been on decades ago! Israel was initially created to be the only entity in the whole world to be for ever in mortal danger by all US enemies (many of whom were former allies)! This was the best pretext they could find to attack and bomb any such fabricated enemy!

    The Islamic Political Theory was two decades ago developed by our late Dr Kalim Siddiqui (RA) leader of the now defunct Majlis al-Shura fi Britaniya (Muslim Parliament of Britain). Unlike most of our Muslim political and religious leaders, those liars and collaborators with the Devil, Islam will always uphold DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE STATE!

    Yes, most political Muslims are pathetically, monstrously, and sorrowfully misguided as says Sheikh Imran Hosein. The Islamic Movement started by Dr Kalim Siddiqui took orders from NOBODY except GOD Himself unlike those Muslim idiots who have joined the monolithic political Parties of the West and participated in corporate “democratic” elections. There is no Islamic Politics without the MAJLIS AL SHURA (Consultation of the Congregation).

    Islamic governance is either by Ecclesiastical Consultation or not at all! In Islam there is no democracy, corporate or otherwise, no demoncracy, no mediacracy, etc.!

    Islamic governance is centered on the FAMILY, the ‘TRIBE’, the NATION, not the individual as the Sheikh rightly says while western-style governance is based on supposedly the individual, the Zombie, deception, hypocrisy, and fake popular representation!

    http://fremaux-soormally.blogspot.com/2012/01/muslim-manifesto-strategy-for-survival.html

    As Mark rightly says, the Holy Qur’ân tells us that

    THEY (THE JEWISH EVILARCHS AND THEIR LIKES) PLOT,
    BUT GOD PLANS AND HE IS THE BEST OF ALL PLANNERS

    And, again, a big THANK YOU to both Mark Glenn and Sheikh Imran Hosein.

    BAFS
    Wednesday 11th of January 2012

  10. #11 by Mustafa on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Excellent Program! Sheikh Imran Hosein is the best Islamic Eschatologist in the world! He really understands the Age of Appearance. Mark Glenn is awesome as usual.

    I agree with everything that was said, except that I would disagree with Sheikh Imran Hosein on Quid E Azam Muhammed Ali Jinnah being a secular leader. I see him as a true Islamic leader who brought an Islamic State!

    @Lindsey: Well said! I feel exactly the same way! The Christians And Muslims need to get on common ground!

  11. #12 by sam.t on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Lindsey: Thanks for the link, excellent reference material.

  12. #13 by B.Benhamid on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Don’t feed the beast [ Israhell ] and wait until it dies!

  13. #14 by Adalberto Erazo on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Finally we have Sheikh Imran Hosein and Mark Glenn together on TUT. These are two great men I hope to meet in my lifetime God willing.

  14. #15 by Vickie Jacobs on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    American churches have replaced Jesus Christ with the nation of Israel. That they(Israel) are the chosen of God.(the apple of God’s eye)…….not Christians. Israel has nothing to do with Jesus Christ…..nor Jesus Christ as the saviour of the world. They have given away their birthright just as Easu did. This is the abomination of desolution. You give away your own birthright in Christ when you lift up the nation of Israel……..God will not be mocked for such stupidity………when the scriptures plainly are there for you………Galations 6:7.

    Israel is not the chosen of God! Spiritual Israel is the chosen………….you become a new creature in Christ when you are born again……..given a new name…..Spiritual Israel. Romans 2:28,29.

    The physical Jews are NOT the saviours of the world……….in fact they are truely the anti-christ:
    “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” I John 4:3 They have had that spirit of anti-christ for over 2,000 years now. Only that spirit was under alot of restraint till 1948. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 for now that pit has been opened……….by the churches that has gone away from true doctrine. The churches are mad upon their idols………..

    A christians focal point should be Christ….not the anti-christ state of Israel…….anyone that tries to expose this error NOW will probably pay dearly for their stupid beliefs.
    God be with you,

    “And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and POWERS, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say..” Luke 12:11,12. (Revelation 9:3)

    Many thanks to Sheik Imran Hosein and Mark. Lindsey has proclaimed what everyone here feels.

  15. #16 by Ingrid B on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    @Gabriel Jones, some people dismiss Fullford as a “nutter,” but I think he makes sense..

  16. #17 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Mustafa says:
    January 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    “… I would disagree with Sheikh Imran Hosein on Quid E Azam Muhammed Ali Jinnah”

    Only foolish Pakistanis call him Quaid-e-Azam (great leader).

    Muhammad Ali Jinnah was not only “secular”, but NOT EVEN A PRACTISING MUSLIM! He was a great lawyer though and the best “Pakistan” could offer!

    Were it not for the Qadianis, according to one source, he would never even have returned to Hindustan to lead the stupid Muslims there!

    Mustafa, who taught you history? Where is your source that he was not secular?

    Basheer

  17. #18 by Janus Nalik on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    Mark Glenn, you’re a great guy. Keep up the good work with your great guests.

  18. #19 by Lindsey on 01/11/2012 - 9:34

    This was a FANTASTIC interview between Sheikh Imran and Dr. Jim Fetzer. I was not expecting much since Dr. Fetzer is non-religious and is into that “TV-fakery” but it was AMAZING.

    It is well-worth listening to it.

    LINDSEY

  19. #20 by Mustafa on 01/12/2012 - 9:34

    @Basheer: My friend, I heard about the Qadyani thing, but it ws not the Qadyani but Allama Iqbal who went to London and convinced Quid E Azam Muhammed Ali Jinnah to return to Pakistan! This is what most of the history books say! Where is your source? Also he was a practising muslim. Stories about him drinking alchohol and eating pork and not practising are rumors by the Secular Liberal elite and pseudo intellectuals. All real accounts of Jinnah do not mention any such habit and some accounts mention his devotion to Islam.

    If it were not so then why would he BOTHER to convert from Ismaili Shia to Ithna Asheri Shia if he was not religious?

    Also all his speeches talk about Islam and Islamic system and ills of the West!

    I really dont understand where you got ur narrative from

  20. #21 by Adalberto Erazo on 01/12/2012 - 9:34

    Presstv should interview Shiekh Imran Hosein.

  21. #22 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 01/12/2012 - 9:34

    Mustafa says:
    January 12, 2012 at 12:55 am

    @Basheer: My friend, I heard about the Qadyani thing, but it ws not the Qadyani but Allama Iqbal who went to London and convinced Quid E Azam Muhammed Ali Jinnah to return to Pakistan!

    YOU HEARD?

    Your source stinks!

    Sheikh Imram Hosein is a historian? Are you?

    YOU made the claim, the onus is on you to prove it, not on me!

    “… convert from Ismaili Shia to Ithna Asheri Shia”?

    And married to a booze/party loving Parse (Parsi)?

    “I really dont understand where you got ur narrative from”

    Ask the historian Sheikh Imran Hosein!

    Basheer

  22. #23 by Mustafa on 01/12/2012 - 9:34

    I havent read Sheikh Imran Hoseins ideas on Pakistan in full but I dont agree with him on many things. I mostly get my information on history on Pakistan from Pakistani historians and intellectuals like Orya Maqbool Jan and Zaid Hamid and many others. But te narrative I have is the accepted narrative whereas the narrative you point to is the one that is put forth by the westernized secular elitists in Pakistan.

    Btw what ur saying is the same thing the westernized secular elites in Pakistan are saying whereas my narrative is more accepted in the mainstream population and intellectuals.

    Each scholar has his own specialty, Sheikh Imran Hosein is a excellent Islamic Eschatologist and analyst on End Times based on Poltics and Economics of the present time, but I dont consider him a historian , I disagree with quite a few things he has said. Ofcourse he is a scholar not a Prophet. He can be wrong you know.

  23. #24 by B.A.Frémaux-Soormally on 01/12/2012 - 9:34

    Mustafa says:
    January 12, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    “… I mostly get my information on history on Pakistan from Pakistani historians and intellectuals like Orya Maqbool Jan and Zaid Hamid.”

    Just name me ONE historian and tell me where to buy his book. I asked that question one thousand times for the past twenty years, and NO Pakistani came forward with an answer although I live in the midst of working class Pakistanis. As for the ‘intellectuals’ they work as traitors with the establishment!

    Did you watch the film JINNAH or read the book of the historian (Ebrar Ahmed?) on whose book apparently the film was based? Almost ten out of ten Pakistanis watch Bollywood family porn, but only one out of ten would have watched Jinnah although it is a far better film (historically) than the propaganda film Gandhi made by the racist and Muslim hater Attenborough.

    Just give me a bloody authority on the HISTORY OF PAKISTAN and the problem will be solved! I may finally learn the truth instead of living and dying in ignorance! I asked it right here on The Ugly Truth – to some big mouths, but some resorted to insults instead!

    A practising Muslim is never on drugs like Muhammad Ali Jinnah was!

    If you did not know NICOTINE WAS AND STILL IS AN ADDICTIVE DRUG AND IT STINKS AND KILLS SMOKERS AND NON SMOKERS ALIKE! And, it is HARAAM to kill oneself or others and to waste money!

    Do not call Jinnah “great”. He was just a British stooge like Gandhi and Nehru (whose fathyer was a known Freemason!). Jinnah did not make Pakistan an independent country. It was still a client State of the British with British Laws and educational and political systems. Was Jinnah not also Governor-General, that is, a SLAVE or SUBJECT of the British Royals?

    PAKISTANIS ARE BACKWARD AND MESSED UP PEOPLE! But, there is still hope – with their nukes, if they still have them!

    http://fremaux-soormally.blogspot.com/2012/01/messed-up-pakistanis.html

    Basheer

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