TUT Podcast July 15, 2012

We are joined by ‘Maximus’ (No, not Russel Crowe, but rather) one of my many dear friends/mentors, ‘Max’, as we explore the issue of White Nationalism–where it was, where it is and where it is going viz a viz the question of organized Jewish interests working tirelessly to pit the various white and non-white civilizations against each other.

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  1. #1 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    Good! We need this discussion!

  2. #2 by ajmacdonaldjr on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    A VERY important podcast and VERY well done guys! I hope this goes viral!!! KUDOS!

  3. #3 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    This was a great talk and I agree 100% with Max. The WN Movement has definitely been infiltrated. Sadly, however, the JMSM paints the White Person the same as the Islamic Person and there are those jewish people, such as Tim Wise, who have threatened our race with extermination through interbreeding. All of Europe has become multicultural thanks to the jews. Can you honestly blame Whites for wanting their own homeland and culture? Is that unreasonable?

    You can say “Gay Pride” and remain politically correct.

    You can say “Black Pride” and remain politically correct.


    Yet, unity is necessary because “all” the races are fighting a common enemy. In the eyes of the jew we are all “goyim” and targeted for death and or slavery.

    I can not find it in my heart to separate myself from “any” oppressed people. I am a Christian and I believe God created us all. Also, as a footstep follower of Jesus Christ, I deem it my duty to expose the Pharisees.

    Again, a good talk. Thank you Mark and Max.

  4. #4 by vince on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    The jew is shit scared of the white race wakeing up and getting a clue.
    They have an agenda to dilute the white race by war and immigration,and their never ending white bashing with their media.
    The fake jew is not white.

  5. #5 by jrfriend on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    Very well said Sazzy, I was going to say something very similar to what you wrote, but you beat me to it. 🙂

    One thing we have to understand is that the Jews use multiculturalism and immigration as a weapon against white societies, there is no other way around this. We have to recognize this, and no it’s not “racist” to point this out! All oppressed people around the world (ie, all “Goyim”) should be uniting against the Jewish supremacists behind the “New World Order”.

    Excellent show guys, this was a very timely conversation.

  6. #6 by equalizer on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    Unification amongst the gentiles will be the key to overcoming jewish rule.

    Keep in mind, tho, that much of the anger felt within the WN movement derives from the economic enslavement many suffer under. The jews pilfered trillions of american tax-payer dollars by hook, or by crook; and now the jews control the production engine within the united states. This also includes, illegal production of various “commodities”.

    The jews are bribing the very peoples the WN movement should be aligning with. However, ultimately, the jews will find that loyalty can not be purchased. And when gentiles realize they are “on the dinner plate”; they will jump ship. We need to be ready to offer the life rafts of truth, and real “brotherhood”.

    We must come to terms with the reality that we will not be able to compete with the jews monetarily; however, morally the jews can’t hold a candle to gentiles…….we must appeal to common decency and reach that place within a person that touches, then moves their heart and mind.

  7. #7 by NW Native on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    By 2050 the White population In the US will be less than 50 percent. Like Whites in Europe and world wide the White population is in collapse. With less and less White women entering into
    the child bearing age the White race will collapse exponentialy within 100 years just as the African and Asian populations have increased exponentialy during the last 100 years.

    In 1900 European Whites, world wide, were about 35 percent of the world population. Now, European Whites, world wide, are about 8-10 percent, with half that female with less than half that of child bearing age. You figure the odds for White survival.

    The White race has been so demonized, sometimes with good reason by the Jewish media and their liberal lap dogs, in the eyes of non-whites, that to develop some sort of coalition with same would be one tuff road to hoe.

    Granted, all are victims of the Talmudic monster. But for the non-white to see this given their
    world view of Whites would most likely spell the end of the White race.

    Can you imagine, to borrow a phrase, that for one second would billions of Asiatics here and around the world give a rats ass if Whites become extinct or if the low IQ blacks here and in Africa gives a rusty f— if Whites disapear off the planet. Blacks given their natural environment as tribes can’t even stand one another let alone have some sort of tender concern for White survival. This goes dido for the mestizo Mexican. And of course there is the tribe surpremeo that wants it all.

    Companion to Jewish/liberal demonization of Whites has been White demoralization. Exibit #1 is declining White birth rate with concerns for the survival of every one else, but themselves.
    Of course this demoralization has been the game plan from day one. Exibit #2, a demoralized people won’t or can’t fight to save itself. Whites must resolve one way or the other if they want to survive. Non-whites could care less even is we politely ask.

    To think that entering into some sort of coalition with non-whites in order to save Whites from extinction and to defeat the common foe may be pleasant thoughts, but wishful thinking.
    Northwest Front dot org has the program and the plan. Only time will tell if enought Whites will wake up to their peril.

    NW Native

  8. #8 by Ingrid B on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    said it before, we are all Jock Thomson`s bairns..

    Your site MG, has done a lot to unite people..

    btw, don`t chase your kids away, maybe they have an opinion..

    my grandson is four months, and his first word, through repeating it in a song, is Yeah! (had to modify my language in case his first word began with F, or B)..

  9. #9 by Bob on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    In 1900 nearly one third of the earth’s populace were obvious, European-type, white people. Now the estimates range from 12% down to 6%. However you figure it, whoever is to blame, this is genocide.

    Forming alliances with non-whites while being increasingly inundated with millions of non-white illegal aliens (well over 50 million now) will be difficult.

  10. #10 by ajmacdonaldjr on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

  11. #11 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    The Ethics of Killing White Babies

    Left Wing Jews sought the eradication of the White Race! Weather Underground

    “Weatherman, known colloquially as the Weathermen and later the Weather Underground Organization, was a Jewish-led, neo-Marxist domestic terrorist group in the United States.”

    “They took their name from a line from the JEW Bob Dylan✡ song ‘Subterranean Homesick Blues'”
    The Mantra! Anti racism is a code word for anti white!

  12. #12 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    JEWESS Barbara Lerner Spectre and jewish implementation of multiracial multiculturalism in the Europe

  13. #13 by equalizer on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    NW Native & Bob, oh ye of little faith……..challenge yourself today and find a person of color to shake hands with…….

  14. #14 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    @ #7 by NW Native on July 16, 2012 – 6:00 am

    “The White race has been so demonized, sometimes with good reason by the Jewish media …”

    For what “good reason” have the Whites been demonized? Black slavery? Sorry but the jews were responsible for Black slavery – not Whites! I am able to prove as much if called upon. In fact, most White Europeans were too poor to afford slaves!

    For the holocaust? Sorry but the holoco$t was wartime propaganda to get the land of Palestine for the jews and was planned before Hitler was born. I’m ready to rebuttal anyone!

    For the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and other Islamic countries? Who orchestrated and funded these invasions? Who made the movies depicting Muslims as terrorists? Who did 911?

    Who coined the term, “White Supremacist? The jew owned and operated mass media so they could blame us for painting swastikas on their synagogues thus getting US tax dollars from DHS for being – VICTIMS.

    Is the White Race perfect? Certainly not and neither is any other race; we are all human and all fall short of perfection.

    Isn’t it true that jews call themselves White when it’s convenient? When it’s NOT convenient – they’re jewish as the following interview between Morgan Freeman and Mike Wallace will verify:

  15. #15 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs

  16. #16 by equalizer on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    NW Native & Bob, you are “defeatists”.

    When I was forced to leave my home and property because of the jews reign of terror against me, I found myself face-to-face with people of color who were “planted” in my path by the jews.

    Two examples, both with members of the Mexican mafia; ended well. One instance started with a Mexican female provocateur; and before I left the scene, I was shaking hands with a male member of the mafia; who was as large as any pro-football player, and very tuff looking……and the jew troll in the car was apologizing for the girl’s behavior.

    The male I shook hands with said, before we “connected”; that, ” when you have nothing left, all you can do is fight violently”….or something to that effect. My response to him was, “all we do have left is the ability to communicate with one another…….he thought very pensively about this…..looked at me, and my outstretched hand……and then, with some reluctance, shook my hand.

    The ice-breaker.

    Then, while in the “bario” on the Tex-Mex border; two Mexicans in a truck drove up to me and my dog as we were walking (she just had to “go”!). After so many months of being stalked……I just knew they were “sent”.

    We began talking…..it was a Sunday, I asked them if they’d gone to church that day….knowing full well they were mafia……they looked a little uncomfortable with that thought…..”touch that place within their hearts and minds” and move them…..

    Before we parted, the driver said that “my first name (in Spanish) and his last name, combined” sounded beautiful!!! I laughed and asked him if that was a marriage proposal!!! He said if I ever got back thay way to look him up, and he told me where to find him.

    So, NW Native and Bob; you may not be “equipped” as well as me, but like Mark says; go out and do what you can to save this damaged, and very dying world…….

  17. #17 by Bob on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    For some reason, my previous reply was delayed quite a long time … in any case, Tom Metzger once got a standing ovation from the New Black Panthers as he pointed out the common jew enemy, but to no avail — look where the Panthers are today.

    Tom has given up, and is espousing a “worse is better (for now)” strategy, which I generally disagree with because it’s usually worse for us and better for jews. The thinking behind it is to force folks into action (e.g. Taylor Caldwell’s “Devil’s Advocate”); but the reality is that effectively we have 1% of us against 1% of the enemy, and the 98% masses will acquiesce unless we increasingly inform them, such that ‘critical mass’ is reached. A rule of thumb is 20% deeply aware people, resembling “the 100th monkey” idea.

    But talk is cheap. It seems to me that the invaders should take the initiative and stop invading; but not much chance of that. Why don’t Mark and Max go to the LaRaza Mestizos and the “kill whitey” blacks etc. with their call for an alliance? Mark could at least get in the door.

    –note from me, MG–you know the reason why the Panthers and La Raza are chanting ‘kill whitey’? Because your Jewish enemies got to them FIRST and the whites allow them to continue agitating against them in this manner. You get in there, as we suggested on the show, and make the blacks and mexicans understand that the whites are not their enemies, but rather the Jews, and guess what–NO MORE ‘KILL WHITEY’.

    People wonder why I have little patience for the WN community and this email is a perfect example as to why. It’s a no-freaking-brainer how to beat our enemies but instead all we get is a bunch of defeatist excuses and complaints from those who are too weak or too scared to get off their asses and do what they have to do to get the vampire’s fangs off our collective neck.

    God help us

  18. #18 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    #17 by Bob on July 16, 2012 – 4:17 pm

    @ Bob

    Mark is right. TNBP and La Raza are funded by jews. Why would Mark, who is not a WN know this, and not someone who claims to be a WN? He’s also right about your defeatist attitude or maybe it’s an attitude you wish to promote?

  19. #19 by Naeem on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    The Number one reason for immigration apart from war is ECONOMICS. THe poor people of the world are usually non white. Because of the tuff conditions and the never ending how great the west is they try to migrate to get a better life. With white countries dominating the money supply through the dollar,pounds these currencies are the strongest in the world so its logical ppl want more of them, if we went back to the gold/silver system no matter where you are in the world the value wiill be the same this will overnight make it a plain field no more bias in favour of the west. Naturally the power of the west will decline because most of the commodities that is needed oil,natural resources,lithium, are located in the non white countries thats why gaddaffi was killed. I personally don’t have anything against europeans but most of the holocausts have been commited by them if its the native american(100,000,000 dead) or the beothuk of canada(EXTINCT) to the aborignes(16,000,000 dead) and right down to the carribean not forgetting the black slave trade(100,000,000 dead). Genocide were commited in your name you can argue jewish involvement but for the past 500 years nothing has changed your goverments have killed en masse and you have excepted it just in the post ww2 the west has killed over 100 million ppl, korea(3 million) vietnam(3 million) laos & cambodia(1 million) iraq & afghanistan(3 million). If we get on to abortion the annual numbers are US(1.5 million) England(800,000) france(800,000) so just in the past 25 years between these 3 countries 77,000,000 million babies have been killed this is where you get your depopulation from. For those who have faith GOD loves justice and all will pay for the evil that ppl created.

  20. #20 by Bob on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    Different methods =/= defeatism!

    Of course the jews fund divide and conquer operations, and until their infinite credit line is taken from them, they are unstoppable. That must be the first order of business.

    Although they control bottleneck positions in the media, and in nearly everything else, fortunately they foolishly overlooked the internet 20+ years ago. This most efficient vehicle to inform may be short-lived. It’s good to have some boots on the ground, but nothing compares to the depth and breadth of the net.

    Download — Download — Download … for posterity in this multi-generational war. Here is some good informational material:


    The “Liberty Bells” allowed former Bircher Revilo P. Oliver a voice from the late 70s until his death in 1994. This may be the only source on the net for this recently uploaded collection.

    And like Yogi said …..

  21. #21 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    #19 by Naeem on July 16, 2012 – 5:39

    Europeans didn’t have a damned thing to do with the African slave trade. How dare you tell me genocide was committed in “my” name. Viet Nam was also for the jews. Maybe you should learn some history before slandering the White Man dude! Don’t try and push your stinking “White Guilt” on me because it won’t work; especially given your IGNORANCE!

  22. #22 by andie531 on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    To Bob:

    I live in the PNW. I have ancestors who fought in every war in this country since the Revolution. I am 1/2 British and 1/2 Italian (Neapolitan, like Sophia Loren) which according to some of your people, would make me non white.

    The separatist stance of the WN group goes to extremes on these points – for example, many white Americans have a Native American ancestor, which has trickled down to them as possibly 1- 3% of their genetic makeup, and this makes them “muds” in the eyes of some WN’s. I have a funny feeling that if Stormfront’s American membership all got a genetic test, about 2/3’s would have reconsider their “whiteness”.

    As for the creation of a white enclave in the PNW – Have you seen the Beacon Hill area of Seattle? It is almost all Asian and Somali. Southpark is almost totally Mexican. Good luck at getting those numbers down.

    As for white flight, we’ve already suffered the exodus of whites resettling here from Cali, and they haven’t changed their libtard stance on immigration (they LOVE their low paid housemaids and gardeners) even though the excesses of an open immigration policy is what drove them out of LA in the first damn place. These people may be white, but they are not smart. They have stuck to the same politics that made California bankrupt and have brought that up here – in addition to remaking the area with so many condos and consequently so much population density that we are now becoming like LA. These people are not rugged individualist homesteaders- they are clearly dipshit, fuzzy brained urbanites. You don’t have a lot to work with here.

    I think the impetus for MG’s broadcast was the fact that the WN’s are in a war with the Muslims, mainly because they are (mostly) not white, and they’ve been driven to this POV by our ZOG. Muslims are some of the most Zionist savvy people on the planet. I can say that (almost but not quite equally) of the Japanese. Having lived there, I am well aware that Eustace Mullins and Fritz Springmeier have a wide readership in Japan – a sizeable number of the population there is aware of the Zionist threat. And they’re not white.

    When you cut off your allies, you are in danger of losing. As someone said during the Revolution, we all must hang together or else we will hang separately.

  23. #23 by Bob on 07/16/2012 - 9:34


    I advocate for the white working class, and may be sometimes considered an economic left winger (nothing to do with the jew/social/marxist left, though). The “WN” proclivities you mention do not describe my associates or myself. You may have confused me with NWF man, whom I suspect may be an enemy.

    My basic point is: Doesn’t anyone anymore understand that an alliance is an agreement made between folks who otherwise often disagree? Why do Mark and Max ask for something which has been attempted again and again with ongoing failure. This history goes back decades. They should take their message to the other potential participants — THEY are the main ones blocking progress!

    Even when the NSM ‘Hollywood Nazis’ make the point that they are separatists, they are pelted and attacked. Of course jews promote this, but idiot whites, blacks, and browns are doing it.

    I know that most nationalists, especially the Europeans, are making huge mistakes by allowing jews into their midst to gain greater supposed opposition to their alien and immigrant problems.

    This is why I am not a nationalist.

  24. #24 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/16/2012 - 9:34

    #23 by Bob on July 16, 2012 – 10:47 pm

    @ Bob
    Why don’t you take “your” message to other potential participants because no one here is interested?

  25. #25 by Bob on 07/17/2012 - 9:34


    You speak for everyone?

  26. #26 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    #25 by Bob on July 17, 2012 – 12:55 am



  27. #27 by ajmacdonaldjr on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    I agree with MG above Re: Bob. This is a no-brainer. Forget the Panthers, the Nation of Islam is who we need to lock arms with, for starters. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

  28. #28 by Bob on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    Farrakhan is already backing down from his criticism of jews … btw, their literature on the jew connection to slavery was instigated by those white folks in years past who tried to form such alliances as are being discussed here.

    THEY are the problem … not US !!!

  29. #29 by Terrell on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    Wow yet again another amazing podcast. Mark please keep up your very important and enlightening work. I’ve read through the comments posted above and I hope to reply to the WNM from a unique perspective. Let’s begin with the basics, I’m African American and Native (not the typical black fake cherokee bullshit) disabled post 9/11 Veteran. I find more often than not that I identify with and share common ideology with the WNM. WN isn’t racism and in it’s true and unadulterated form poses no threat to any other race. I see that white people here in America and Europe are suffering from defeatism and useless infighting. I’m sure I’m not the only black man willing to link arms with my white brothers to defeat our real enemy. Although much of white western opulence and wealth was made from the genocide of my ancestors, its time for us to bury the hatchet. After many years of independent scholarship and deep soul searching, I’ve concluded that by and large Whites were not primarily responsible for slavery, and thus the ensuing cultural/ethnic hostility between us. Naturally this abomination is a manifestation of Zionist power and influence. In fact I would go as far to say that white privilege and white supremacy are also the inventions of your Jewish puppet masters. The whole conquest of the new world and disregard for its indigenous inhabitants was a jewish ploy. Once the moors (black/arab muslims) (hmmmm…. dark ages) were expelled from Spain jews began their demonic trade of profiteering from usury. Queen Isabella pawned here jewels to finance the voyage of Colombus although ironically the first of his crew to set foot on western soil was a jew. The vast majority of the slave ships were owned and leased by hidden jewish interests. Most of the immigrants who flooded to the new world from spain and portugal primarily were crypto-jews.

    War by deception, our common enemy has enslaved you and your ancestors just as he has done me and mine. Nationalism must be balanced with an unwavering universal love of humanity as a whole. Nationalism is primarily effective for organizing us into groups based on collective self interest.

    I don’t bother to identify myself as a black nationalist since nationalism is usually founded upon some sense of pride. When I look at the socio-economic, cultural, and political position of “my” people today I find nothing to take pride in. Our existence is one of continuing agony and misery. Blacks worldwide have been reduced to the ghost of a former colonial enterprise. At every turn we are assaulted with self destructive programing from the very jewish puppet master who claims to be our unlikely ally. The jew manipulates black “leaders” into submission through blackmail or outright assassination, and those tokens who are chosen to mislead are merely the emasculated inversion of men. Instead of separation or true emancipation and repatriation we got forced integration, a strategy directly from the zionist playbook. Forced integration and multiculturalism can only lead to social strife, all one has to do is look at western europe today. I believe in multiculturalism but when it is based upon individual non manipulated free choice.

    For those of you in the WNM who think there are mobs of angry blacks in every inner-city who chant “kill whitey” as a daily mantra, please stop drinking the zionist zombie koolaid. I know its easier to sit on your fat asses examining the cheeto’s stains on your overstretched and outdated football jerseys; rather than examine the source of your racist inbreed fears. Black people don’t collectively hate white people, what we hate is the unseen system of white privilege and subjugation we are forced to endure. If zionism and jewish power is to be destroyed it will only be through us uniting and putting aside our differences. You’d be surprised how much we could accomplish together with just a bit of dialogue. The main resource we have is knowledge and it should be shared. Plain and simple, forget the suburban mall this weekend and any lingering notions of the empty white american dream. Get in your suv or minivan and head to your nearest inner-city neighborHOOD, get out of your car and approach the nearest group of congregated “minorities” and drop some knowledge about how they are being exploited by the zionist world order. Explain why cheap liquor, synthetic drugs, and terrible food are destroying the community. Tell about the hidden jewish agenda to conquer and rule us all. If at first the natives are hostile don’t retreat, just explain to them how bad white middle class america has been fucked over by the jew. Tell about how many white families have lost their homes, savings, and livelihood. How many white families have sacrificed a loved one to the military that serves israel. How empty has life become when it’s reduced to a pursuit of ever devaluing currency? Tell the blacks, browns, or yellows how you’ve lost any connection with you children, or how your cultural pride has been destroyed by divisive zionist propaganda. You could discuss how morally corrupted your children have become from zionist media and propaganda outlets. Finally, tell them that you are sorry for any role that you’ve played in the oppression of any group and that you’re deeply remorseful for allowing yourself to be stupid enough to be duped into thinking that the jew would care any more about your goy group over any other group.

    We’re ready when you are…

  30. #30 by Pat on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    The “Maximus” character is Canadian idiot.

    So White people need to embrace negroes – right, Maxiums? Well, that sounds great coming from a Canadian who obviously has no idea what the f*** he is talking about.

    How about moving into a negro infested city, Maximus – and try implementing your strategy there.

    Let us know how you make out.


    Negroes love the fact that the jewish gov gives them free stuff on our dime. They love the unfair race-based hiring practices that favor non-whites. They love it!

    And they HATE Whites.

    Maximus, you are a minion hailing from Canuckistan, Canuckistan, the land of hush-up, restriction and suppression. Where Jewish thought control is your command. LOL!

    If you were a military man – your strategy would have buried you long, long ago.

    The “Maximus Strategy” is a loser.

    Next, Maximus will be advocating race-mixing with the n**gers as a means of forging “solidarity” with them. LOL!

    You are an idiot, Maximus.

    note from me, MG–people ask me all the time why I have no patience for those in the WN community and see them more as a liability than an asset in us freeing ourselves from the power of organized Jewish interests. This email is but ONE of hundreds (thousands?) I have received over the years that illustrates why I have come to this conclusion.

  31. #31 by Pat on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    This message is to the host of the program.

    I read your commentary that appears here. You say that the strategy of defeating the jews is a “no brainer”. In reference to La Raza – you say that “all you have to do” is explain to them that the problem is the jews…etc.


    La Raza is funded by the jews. La Raza’s membership benefits from jewish money. And you really believe in your feeble mind that having some White person showing up and “explaining it to them” is going to work?

    Is that what you think?

    The leadership of La Raza will quickly dispatch that idea.

    Same thing with the leadership of the various so-call “black communities”.

    I suppose it’s easy to sit in a safe White community formulating and babbling “strategies” like the very unworkable one you propose.

    You strategy CANNOT WORK for several clear reasons. The jews have an immense war-chest in the form of cash and government “programs” that they bribe the non-whites with. And the non-White masses aren’t real bright.

    Time to go back to the drawing board regarding strategy.

    BTW, when’s the last time you actually visited an “inner city” area?

    If your strategy is such a good one – why don’t you try implementing it?

    I look forward to reading about your bullet ridden body being stripped by the very same n**gers you were trying to “negotiate” with. LOL.

    note from me, MG–people ask me all the time why I have no patience for those in the WN community and see them more as a liability than an asset in us freeing ourselves from the power of organized Jewish interests. This email is but ONE of hundreds (thousands?) I have received over the years that illustrates why I have come to this conclusion.

  32. #32 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    #29 by Terrell on July 17, 2012 – 5:40 am

    Hello Terrell,

    I am a White Woman and joined the White Nationalist Movement years ago. However, there is so much infighting in the movement and there are many so called “Whites” who are really Ashkanazi jews who pretend to be Whites; their goal is subversion. The Movement is going nowhere and JMSM continues to beef up news to incite race wars.

    I really liked your comment! In fact, I ‘do’ talk to people of all races but can truthfully say I don’t go into the hood because I’d be scared to be honest.

    Thank you for your pro-active stance!

  33. #33 by NAeem on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    SazzyLilSmartAzz- i was answering a couple of posts, iagree jews were behind the black slave trade but reality is reality. It was WHITE SOLDIERS doing the killing in korea,vietnam,cambodia,laos,afghanistan,iraq and over 10 million INNOCENT people lost their lives. The jews profited finacially but the US populace carried out the killing. Now if we look at sep 11th over 3000 people died the US populace called for a genocide in return and got it. Get off your high horse your not white look at your skin its beige at best no where does it compare to the colour white and black ppl are not black their dark dark brown its you superiority that makes you ignorant. The white nationalists try their best to say they hate jews but their just like them with the same attributes which they they claim to hate,

  34. #34 by ajmacdonaldjr on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    It’s time for alliances with those who seek truth, justice, and peace. Muslims and Christians, Blacks and Whites, Republicans and Democrats. We need a strategy and we need a plan of action. We need a philosophical foundation for our nation that can unify all these diverse groups. This is natural law. I have written extensively on this. Until we begin working together on this nothing will ever change, and things will only get worse. America is under God’s judgement, and has, now, a sword of Damocles over her head, which is hanging by the slenderest of threads. There are no plans, strategies, or solutions coming from anywheres else, and it we truly wish to save America we are going to have to lead the way. Mark and Max are absolutely right, and we need to begin, now. I will be personally contacting the Nation of Islam in DC soon. I speak to blacks all the time in DC. They are awake, angry, feel shit upon, and hopeless. They do not hate whites, they hate the government, which, historically, has been predominantly White. Fear is unbecoming, as is cowardice. Let the racists remain racists. We don’t have time for that. I have moved forward the date of Summer of Justice DC from 2012 to 2013 to give us more time. I am still ALL EARS if someone – anyone – has a better, more workable, plan of action. I haven’t seen any. Quite the opposite: people are becoming ever further entrenched in their attitudes of hatred toward one another, politically, and we have to unify the political left (OWS types) with the political right (Ron Paul types) if we have any chance whatsoever. Bitching and kavetching is what Israel and the USG wants us to be doing. We cannot beat something with nothing, or by bitching to ourselves, we have to have a strategy and a plan of action that can work, even if it seems unlikely to do so. I would rather die trying to DO something than I would while preaching to the choir, which is like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. Read the Declaration of Independence. We HAVE THE RIGHT to throw off bad government and to institute good government in it’s place, in any form we wish. This can be accomplished without ONE SHOT being fired. It’s a simple as it can be, but we have to be able to do what others cannot: reach out to and communicate with those we disagree with on some issues. Without unity there will be no victory, and without unity there is no America, there are two America, like today. We want one America for all peoples and equal justice under law.

  35. #35 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    #33 by NAeem on July 17, 2012 – 3:35 pm

    First of all, the wars you mention were promoted by JEWS and there are good WHITE PEOPLE who are standing by the oppressed people of the world. The problem is racist people like you who want to blame the WHITE PEOPLE for everything. You’re just as racist as the JEW and this is what established the White Nationalist Movement to begin with.

    Your racist comments and FALSE ACCUSATIONS can be read on link below. Incidentally, Europeans are referred to as White. I guess I need to pinpoint everything out to people like you.


  36. #36 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/17/2012 - 9:34

    #33 by NAeem on July 17, 2012 – 3:35 pm

    NAeem says: Now if we look at sep 11th over 3000 people died the US populace called for a genocide in return and got it.

    If you look at September 11th, you will see the Zionist controlled government lied to the American people. The American people come in different colors Bozo. The populace actually marched against a war in Iraq but Zionist controlled Bush told them there were weapons of mass destruction. There were many people who opposed that war Bozo so get the hell off YOUR high horse! It wasn’t a WHITE WAR!

    Seriously, you’re a racist and you don’t even provide any argument other than hate. No wonder some people in the WN movement hate Muslims. I sure as hell wouldn’t want a neighbor like you; especially given the fact that I’ve been supporting the Islamic people for 11 years.

  37. #37 by Adalberto Erazo Jr. on 07/18/2012 - 9:34

    I agree with Naeem. The jews carried out 9/11 but the Americans demanded the genocide and got it. So I see America as an accomplice in this mess. It’s Americans who enforce the jews rule around the world and commit atrocities which they get away with. That’s why I call America IsraHell number 2.

    That being said, you have plenty of dumbed down black and hispanics who have joined the Islamophobia bandwagon like the infamous Herman Cain and Claire Lopez(involved in the islamophobic documentary called “Iranium”) who are just as genocidal as there white counterparts in this country who will do the jews bidding because they are “gods chosen people”.

    I have absolutely no sympathy for any Hispanics(or anyone else for that matter) who join the criminal organization called the US Military which is conducting a genocide against Muslims. I especially have no sympathy for these ‘green card soldiers’ who come from around the world(mostly from Latin America) to join this army of oppression which is bringing misery to the people of the Middle East and Central Asia. You’ll never see me shed tears for any of these selfish creatures who bite the dust as they joined up simply to get the “good life” in America while murdering someone in another land. They wanted to go to America to enjoy the materialism of this world at the expense of others and as a result, the price they will pay is a trip to the Hellfire. Yes, because Dajjal makes the path to heaven look like a river of fire and he makes the path to Hell look like the cool waters of a river. Hence, they willingly chose Dajjals cool waters and they will pay the ultimate price.

    They make me ashamed of being a Hispanic and I want to apologize to the Muslims of the world for the actions of these demonic creatures who have caused you misery. Again I apologize.

    My heart is with the Muslims.

  38. #38 by ajmacdonaldjr on 07/18/2012 - 9:34

    Let’s not make hasty generalizations please, such as ‘the Americans demanded genocide”. I didn’t, and I’m American, and most American did not demand genocide. Neither did “the Jews” perpetrate 9/11. Some Jews did, Israel did, but most Jews did not. Let’s realize that our enemies are smart and utilized the shock and awe of 9/11, and the blame they put on the Muslims for it, to stoke the fires of fear, hatred, and anger, which led to many American believing a lie. From what I see in this discussion, fear, hatred, and anger are doing quite well. Most of you seem to be as angry, vengeful, and murderous as Israel is. Good job, you have become that which you profess to hate. Duped by Jews again. Congratulations!

  39. #39 by Frank on 07/18/2012 - 9:34

    Yes, my sentiments exactly. The enemy’s divide and conquer strategy must be countered. After the enemy is defeated, everyone can go back to what they were doing.

  40. #40 by SazzyLilSmartAzz on 07/18/2012 - 9:34

    37 by Adalberto Erazo Jr. on July 18, 2012 – 12:22 am

    First of all, this conversation was about White Nationalism and I don’t need a nasty bigot like NEeem trying to make me or other innocent Whites feel guilty for that which we had no control over. We’ve been battered for Black slavery; which we didn’t have anything to do with. We’ve been battered for the holocaust which was a hoax and pack of lies to get the land of Palestine. The JMSM creates race riots so Blacks will hate us. They even went as far as “repeatedly” calling George Zimmerman White when he’s obviously a Peruvian Jew.

    Did you know that an innocent old White man was murdered due to this?

    Did you know that in Duluth Michigan they are running a campaign with ads of White people’s faces saying they don’t know anything about racism? The ads are billboards on the street.

    That being said, I don’t like what the American government did either and my heart goes out to all those people who suffered and still are suffering. I started my activism during Bush’s War because I am a Christian conscientious objector. I’ve been doing my Christian duty for years now. I’ve given up television and don’t even listen to music anymore because I want to be cleansed from any Judaic filth I probably picked up during my short life.

    I don’t like the military either but I do understand that some people were duped into joining. The high schools here have recruiters and they recruit children. Many of them die in war or come home and commit suicide.

    The ones who volunteer are, in my opinion, glorified hit men.

    Am I sorry that Muslims have been killed? Certainly; I was raised Christian and I already discussed that in my first post. But in the same token I refuse to allow ”anyone” tell me that “genocide was done in my name” and try to make me feel guilty for that which I protested. Enough is enough. No more White Guilt here.

    I thought this was a place where we were supposed to work together but I guess there are people who harbor enough hatred and racism to go into attack mode.

    Here is NAeem’s initial post and I think he owes me an apology.


    Here are the jew ads telling me how privileged I am and how unfair it is.

  41. #41 by Edward Allen on 07/19/2012 - 9:34

    This guest lives in la la land, the colored races have been indoctrinated with so much hate for the white race that white people have been forced into a corner. Our only option in order for our race to survive is to unite against the colored hordes flooding into our countries in Europe and in America. As much as people want to deny the following, it is a fact; America was founded by and for the Western man i.e. the White Christian people, everyone else is an enemy invader that has no, and never will have ( and why should they), allegiance to the White race, Western Civilization or our culture that culminated with the founding of America and the “Bill of Rights”. Every other race but White people understand racial solidarity. Take a look at all the groups and foundations that are race specific with the sole purpose of empowering and helping their people. Now ask yourself what groups or foundations White people have? The answer is none. If we come together and unite as a people we are called racist or KKK members and quickly jump embarrassingly to defend ourselves for acting as every other racial group does to secure their survival. Stop being cowards White people. America is our country and if “We the People” ever become the minority, it’s goodbye to the red, white and blue, and what remains of Western Civilization and with it any hope for a truly free society in the future.

    “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children”. – Fourteen words – (14/88)


  42. #42 by anonymous due to mindcrime laws on 07/20/2012 - 9:34

    Hitler in his speech at the Platterhof. (26 May 1944) where he said to his officers and generals:

    ” We have this people of ours that are not to be defined as a race, and that is now clear to millions. However, gentlemen:when I began my apprenticeship twenty-five years ago, this was not so; there I was always told by middle-class bourgeois circles: Yes, people and race are one and the same! No – people and race are not the same. Race is a component of blood, a blood nucleus, but the people are very often composed not of one race but of two, three, four or five different racial nuclei. Even so, it is not possible or even desirable to dismantle such a united body of people, but in the course of political developments such a solution may occur anyway. “

  43. #43 by Bob on 07/20/2012 - 9:34

    @#42 — ‘Successful’ multi-racial / multi-ethnic ‘people’ describe only one group — jews!

  44. #44 by ajmacdonaldjr on 07/21/2012 - 9:34

    To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

    Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

    Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

    Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

  45. #45 by jamesm on 07/22/2012 - 9:34

    I am an African American, and I have to say some of these white nationalist are really racist, and it is so sad and stupid, the Jews have made you beggars in the land your forefathers conquered, and you’re mad at us, and you’re afraid of us. Are you kidding ? We’re broke, aimless, landless, leaderless and mis-educated, as a whole, with a few successes. Which probably only serves to piss the rednecks off, because, like I said as a whole Black America is screwed up. I am also a Muslim, and I can’t stop shaking my head at the fact that, as the dominant racial group in America, you guys can’t pull your collective heads out of your asses and pull this country away from the abyss. I mean really, colonies in the pacific northwest for a new Aryan nation, are you afraid to fight for your country and your planet ? Sad!!!! Remember when I said that I am an African-American, American is a key component of that……We’ve watched the country go down the tubes with right along with you, and most if us have been here much longer than you. The formative years of our American existence were severely stunted. We’ve even had the pleasure of being last hired and the first fired, during the outsourcing of America, as well as having the crack and aids epidemics poured on our heads, and guess what. We still don’t really hate white people………Because most of us have an intrinsic belief in God, which has been bred out of you en-masse by Talmudic racism, which holds that God makes mistakes in his creation, as if one kind of human is better than another, you clowns sound like them..Lots of white people are affected by that particular sickness, and it is why it so easy to convince middle America and Europe to make war on brown and yellow people so easily. I love every one like my self just as Jesus, and the prophet Muhammad commanded, he considered racism to be so detrimental that the entirety of his last sermon was dedicated to it. There is no superiority in a man because of his race only in his obedience to God. That was the moral of the story. Anyway the moral of this story is, if the white race was so superior that they could eliminate the Zionist threat without the support of the rest of the people on the planet, don’t you think you would have done it already ? So for all of you haters, I’d like to quote the Beatles………….All you need is love…………survivalist skills and gold are also a plus, but you’d better believe some of your so called white brothers and sisters will sell you for a few pieces of silver, where your natural allies, would rather hang together with you, as opposed to hanging separately. Hate is what feeds the demon……Stop feeding it and it will starve to death.

    great show Mark I listen to you all the time

  46. #46 by restinpieces on 07/22/2012 - 9:34

    The best broadcast ever done! Anywhere, Anytime. Bar none. Finally somebody gets the message. Thanks.

  47. #47 by 1776blues on 08/16/2012 - 9:34

    Yeah, I know, I’m late but hey better late than never. I want to point out an incorrect statement made by NAeem. he stated that it was White Soldiers who were doing the killing, as if America is all white, but makes no mention of all the minorities who serve in the Armed Forces or occupy high positions in the government. Well NAeem, you are wrong, but your hatred for whites is duly noted. It really irks the shi*t out of me when people post or make comments that are blatantly false.

    Based on your comment, I guess all the minoritites just stood by and watched the whites do the killing or all the minorities we see on TV, in the street, in Congress, etc.. are really white people.

    As for who does what for whom, well the propaganda employed by the Jews both in and out of government works in any nation. Below is a quote made by Hermann Wilhelm Göring, the western propaganda version always leaves out this part: “Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany”

    “Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.”

    Hermann Wilhelm Göring

  48. #48 by lolathecur on 02/26/2015 - 9:34

    the Morgan Freeman video was prime stuff! I must listen to the entire interview. Damn, did you see the look on that instigating Jews face when after Morgan Freeman led him right into his snare unsuspectingly buy asking the correct questions in the proper sequence when he realized he had just been exposed? Friggin priceless! One thing I have learned, never allow a Jew to frame any conversation/debate. The agenda is always there. Do not get me wrong, there are those who understand this and expose this be just as those here are trying to do. They are on the right side for doing so and we must welcome them. Those that can be trusted have given up the idea and reject being called and referred to as Jewish. They know this IS the problem.

  49. #49 by lolathecur on 02/26/2015 - 9:34

    For the folks here that claim Christianity. You may be interested in reading this. I put it together for my family so just ignore the names of them where you come across them. I call it “the litmus test”. Present it to your pastor and see his reaction. I already know from experience what it will be.

    There are only three theological currents that I know of in the christian faith. One of them claims that Jesus and Jehovah are the same person( this is a protestant doctrine held by most Christians). Another claims that Jehovah is the father, and Jesus is the son(another protestant doctrine held by many who claim Christianity). Yet another claims that Jehovah is a strange being who has elected himself, testifies of himself, suffers uncontrollable attacks of fury that are only appeased with blood: an odious and vindictive being, designer of evils and plagues that are incompatible with the Father revealed by Jesus, full of love, grace, forgiveness, who does not condemn anyone ( my position and the position of the original christian movement/ church etc.).  First position wil be discussed now. If Jesus and Jehovah are the same person, their works in both the New and Old Testaments cannot be conflicting. If Jehovah were the father, and Jesus were the son, they could not have different plans for men, for Jesus declares that he and the Father are one (John 10:30). Let us observe them to see if there are spiritual affinities between the actions of Jehovah and Jesus:

    Jehovah is the god of the rich: “Jehovah’s blessing brings wealth, and he adds no trouble to it” (Prov. 10:22). David declares that riches come from Jehovah (1 Chr. 29:12; 1 Kings 3:13; 1 Chr. 29:26-28). The God whom Jesus revealed as Father chose the poor to be heirs of the celestial kingdom (James 2:5). And Jesus advises not to gather treasures on earth (Matt. 6:19-20). Jesus told a rich man who wanted to follow him to sell everything he had, first, and then follow him (Matt. 19:16-21). Excluding the gifts of Jehovah, Jesus excludes Jehovah.
    Jehovah commands the swearing: “You shall fear Jehovah your God; and you shall serve him, and shall swear by his name” (Deut. 6:13). And Jehovah prophesies that in the future every knee shall bow, and affirms: “to me every … tongue shall take an oath” (Is. 45:23). Jehovah declares that in the new heavens and the new earth he is going to create men will swear by the true god (Is, 65:16-27). Jesus, on the contrary, declared: “Again you have heard that it was said to them of old time, ‘You shall not make false vows, but shall perform to the Lord your vows,’ but I tell you, don’t swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God; nor by the earth, for it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Neither shall you swear by your head, for you can’t make one hair white or black. But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes’ and your ‘No’ be ‘No.’ Whatever is more than these is of the evil one” (Matt. 5:33-37). Excluding the swearing, Jesus excluded Jehovah from the plan of the Father.
    Jehovah killed little innocent children. In a moment of unrestrained fury against his people, Jehovah declared that he was going to wipe them out with mortal darts, and that they would be destroyed by carbuncles and by bitter pestilence, devoured by wild animals, bitten by poisonous serpents, and also killed by the sword: young men, maidens, old men, and suckling children would die (Deut. 32:22-25). And Jesus proclaimed out loud: “They were bringing to him little children, that he should touch them, but the disciples rebuked those who were bringing them. But when Jesus saw it, he was moved with indignation, and said to them, ‘Allow the little children to come to me! Don’t forbid them, for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these.’” (Mark 10:13-14). When he saved the ones that Jehovah killed, Jesus excluded Jehovah.
    When he delivered the people of Israel from the Egyptian slavery, Jehovah took them to Mount Sinai and said to them: “You shall be to me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation” (Ex. 19:6). And he declared to his people: “I am Jehovah, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King” (Is. 43:15). Jesus, on the contrary, declared to Pilates: “My Kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36). The declarations of Jehovah are compounded by the fact that John registered in his gospel the words of Jesus, saying: “He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life” (John 5:24). Therefore, Jesus excluded Jehovah, who founded the kingdom of the dead. When a Jew, member of the bankrupt kingdom of Jehovah, at the time when he believed in Christ, asked permission to go bury his dead father, Jesus told him: “Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead” (Matt. 8:21-22).
    At the time when the Law was given at Sinai, the law of vengeance was established, which says: “Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, and bruise for bruise” (Ex. 21:24-25). When Jesus established the law of forgiveness, he excluded Jehovah. The law of Jesus is: “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you don’t forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matt. 6:14-15). Jesus is excluding the law of the eye for eye through the law of forgiveness; therefore he excluded Jehovah.
    Jehovah sold his people because of their sins against the law. When they took possession of the Promised Land, as Jehovah did not fulfill his promise to cast out the perverted people from the land, the people of Israel mingled with the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites, Perizzites and Jebusites by taking their women for their children and giving their daughters to their sons, and served their gods. Then the anger of Jehovah was kindled, and he sold them into the hands of Cushan-rishathaim, king of Mesopotamia. Israel was sold seven times, in just the period of the book of Judges (Judges 2:1-8, 12-14; 4:1-3; 6:1; 10:6-8; 13:1). The psalmist declares that Jehovah sold his people for a small price (Ps. 44:12). And Jesus bought them with his blood, the very ones whom Jehovah had sold; therefore, the cancelled the work of Jehovah (1 Pet. 1:18-19).
    Moses asked Jehovah, saying: “Please show me your glory.” Jehovah answered: “You cannot see my face, for man may not see me and live” (Ex. 33:18,20). And Jesus declared: “This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:40). Those who see Jehovah, die; and those who see Jesus, live. Jesus was always excluding Jehovah.
    There were good and bad in the kingdom of Jehovah, clean and unclean, righteous and unrighteous. Jehovah sent rain over the good and the righteous, and withheld from unrighteous and bad (Amos 4:7-8). And the Father of Jesus sent rain over righteous and unrighteous, clean and unclean (Matt. 5:45). Therefore Jehovah loved less than the Father. With this declaration Jesus left Jehovah out.
    Jehovah is considered as God, and founded his kingdom in this world (Ex. 19:6). Jesus, however, declared: “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it” (Luke 16:16). In another occasion Jesus said: “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come to you” (Matt. 12:28). Jesus declared by this that the kingdom of Jehovah is not the kingdom of God; therefore he leaves out Jehovah.
    Jehovah made himself known to the men in the Old Testament, according to the prophet Ezekiel: “And say to them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up my hand to the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known to them in the land of Egypt” (Ezek. 20:5). If Jehovah declares that he revealed himself, no one can say the contrary. When the people ignored that, Jehovah insisted in make himself known.  “Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know my hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is JEHOVAH” (Jer. 16:21). He said this to his people. And, if even the strangers knew him, how much more Israel! Here is what Jehovah declared: “I will record Rahab and Babylon among those who acknowledge me” (Ps. 87:4). Let us consider now the declaration of Jesus: “All things have been delivered to me by my Father. No one knows the Son, except the Father; neither does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and he to whom the Son desires to reveal him” (Matt. 11:27). When Jesus declares NO ONE, he means no one. Neither men nor angels. No one has ever known him before Christ. Neither Israel, nor Rahab, nor Babylon. John said: “No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him” (John 1:18).
    By these declarations Jesus excluded Jehovah, who made himself known through plagues, pestilences, curses, wars, captivities, vengeances and deaths. Jesus, however, revealed the true god, the God and Father, loving and savior of all (1 Tim. 4:10). He is this Father whom we know, worship, serve and glorify.                    Next we will address the second position, yhwh/jehova is the “FATHER” the texts refer to in the new testament. First off understand that my verses being shown to substantiate ALL THREE positions is not even close to exhaustive and all inclusive. I could do this all day. Here I will address the second doctrinal/ theological position; jehova/ yhwh is the ” FATHER”. Those who believe that Jehovah is the only true God say that the New Testament does not contain arguments that prove the contrary. I am to present various clear proofs that Jehovah is not the true God or “Father” that is spoken of in the New Testament. Let us be reminded that all verses are from KJV and I am playing by the protestant rules…….Sola Scriptura( if it is not printed in the bible, it is not valid argument. I beg you to respond using your own protestant rules here. Otherwise, you expect one to play by your rules, but refuse to follow them yourself…….that would be also known as rigging the game, like the casino, government or other undesirable institutions do….even the church. Let us continue:

    1. Jehovah elected Moses as a mediator between god and men (Ex.3:12-18). Paul tells us, though, that there is only one mediator between men and God, Jesus Christ, a man (1 Tim.2:5). Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which is established in better promises (Heb.8:6). Being Moses the mediator of the Old Covenant, that Covenant could not be the Covenant of the Father. Moses was then the mediator between angels and men, and not between God and men (Gal.3:19). It is obvious that Paul’s revelation is that Jehovah is not the Father, but that he is a false God.

    2. Jehovah called himself king of this world and king of Israel, in the following portions of the Bible:Ps.47:2,7-8; 22:28; 96:8-10; 99:1; 1 Chr.16:31; Jer.10:7; 43:15. Now, Jesus and the Father are one, that is, whatever the Father is, Jesus equally is. But Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36; 10:30). Therefore, Jehovah was from below, and Jesus, from above, as we read in John 8:23. Jesus was revealing here that Jehovah was not the Father.

    3. Jehovah manifested himself in darkness, on Mount Sinai (Deut.4:11-12; 5:22-24). “So the people stood at a distance, while Moses approached the thick cloud where God was” (Ex.20:21). Jesus manifested himself in light, on a mountain (Matt.17:1-2). Whoever came near where Jesus was, came near the light, not near the darkness (John 8:12; 12:46). John also says that there is no darkness in the Father (1 John 1:5). It is obvious that both Jesus and John were revealing that Jehovah is the angel of darkness, or the “domain of darkness” of Col.1:12-13.

    4. Jehovah bore sons to the flesh, as the following verses register: Ezek.16:20; 23:37; Deut.28:53; Ps.127:3. Jehovah begot Isaac, Esau and Jacob, Samson, etc. (Gen.21:1-2; 25:19-23; Judges 13:3-5). Those born of the flesh were sons of Jehovah, as we have read in Deut.14:1; 32:18-20; Is.1:2; 30:9; 63:7-8, etc. Paul, however, reveals that those who are born of the flesh are not children of God(Rom.9:8). John taught from God the Father, saying, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but God” (John 1:12-13). Jehovah also declared himself “the god of the flesh” in Jer.32:27. So, the children of Jehovah are not the children of God the Father, nor of Jesus, but of a stranger.

    5. Jehovah personally dictated the Ten Commandments, as Moses says in Deut.4:10-14. The people, then, saw Jehovah (Ex.24:9-11). And Jesus said that his people had never seen nor heard God, inJohn 5:37. Abraham saw Jehovah (Gen.18:1-7). Isaiah saw Jehovah (Is.6:1-3, 5). Paul states that no man has ever seen God, nor can see Him (1 Tim.6:16). It is obvious that Paul was revealing that whatever Abraham and the others had seen was not the Father, but a usurper.

    6. Jehovah sent Moses to say to Pharaoh, king of Egypt: “Let My people go, that they may serve Me”.This sentence repeats itself seven times (Ex.4:23; 7:16; 8:1, 20; 9:1, 13; 10:3). Jehovah demanded that men served him. The Levites formed a priestly family to serve Jehovah. In the book of Malachi, the last prophet of the Old Testament, we read: “So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him” (Mal.3:18). Paul, though, strongly declares in Acts 17:23,25 that God is not served by hands of men. Paul reveals here that the one who is being served by the hands of men is not the true God. The people of Israel believed that they were serving God, while they were really serving Jehovah. Paul, though, continues:  “However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? (Gal.4:8-9).

    7. Jehovah had only one family. “For you are a holy people to Jehovah your God; and Jehovah has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth” (Deut.14:2). “You only have I chosen among all the families of the earth” (Amos 3:2).Paul, in order to make it clear that Jehovah is not the Father, tells us, “For this reason, I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name” (Eph.3:14-15).

    8. Jehovah declares to be the devouring lion of Israel. “So I will be like a lion to them; like a leopard I will lie in wait by the wayside. I will encounter them like a bear robbed of her cubs, and I will tear open their chests; THERE I WILL ALSO DEVOUR THEM LIKE A LIONESS” (Hos.13:7-8). There are more scriptures where Jehovah calls himself “lion” (Hos.5:14; Lam.3:10; Amos 3:4-6, 8; Hos.11:10).Peter brilliantly uncovers the mystery of Jehovah as a lion: “Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls about like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour” (1 Pet.5:8).

    9. Eli commanded and fire came down from heaven twice, and killed one hundred and two soldiers. The fire came from Jehovah, as it happened in Sodom, and also to the sons of Aaron (Gen.19:24; Lev.10:1-2). James and John wished to repeat the feat, but Jesus rebuked them, saying: “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of”. With that, Jesus revealed that his spirit is not the same as that of Jehovah. And he also said, “For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them”. With these words, Jesus declared that Jehovah was and is the destroyer of souls (Luke 9:51-56). Jesus could not have been clearer in this revelation than he was.

    10.  Jehovah has always sought his own glory, a bad thing for a god, for, if, to a man, exalting himself is to reveal arrogance, to God, as a model that he is, he should not exalt himself. Jesus was born humbly, in a stable, and was always poor and despised (Is.52:14; 53:2-3). Jesus did not have a place where to lay his head, being so poor as he was (Matt.8:20). Jesus declared, “BUT I DO NOT SEEK MY GLORY; THERE IS ONE WHO SEEKS” (John 8:50). And he also said, “If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true” (John 5:31). Jehovah did nothing but to testify about himself and to seek his own glory (Is.43:11, 13; 45:5; Deut.32:39; Is.14:27). We read about his glory: Is.43:7; 42:8; Is.48:11. Jehovah spoke so much on his name, on his glory, and on his power; and Jesus speaks back with the following words, to whomever has ears to hear, “He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the one who sent Him, HE IS TRUE, and there is no unrighteousness in Him (John 7:18).                  Now we will cover the logical position , the one that I hold so close in my heart and know to be true; GOD THE FATHER AND CHRIST are ONE and has nothing whatsoever to do with the deity known as jehova/ yhwh/ yahu adonai, shaddai or any other name you would like to refer to him as. Remember now, if this deity we are discussing (old testament lord god) is shown to be a false god, then by default, all of his prophets are also false prophets and therefore nothing they say concerning subject can be trusted, basically putting an end to this deception and putting the pagan old testament scripture where it belongs….. trashbin along with protestant doctrine(CHRIST is yhwh/ jehova incarnate or he is the FATHER spoken of). All protestant denominations;ALL of them, no matter what sect believe one of these two doctrines. If you know of any denomination that does not hold one of these two doctrines, please make me aware of them and provide statement of faith from said church/ denomination. OK, my position here: Jesus declared in John 10:30, “I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” What does that mean? Was Jesus’ intention to reveal that He, the Father, and the Spirit are only one person manifested in three different forms? This absurd doctrine was invented by a heretic of the third century by the name of Sabelius, who did not accept the doctrine of the trinity, that is, that there are three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, according the teaching of Jesus himself in Matt. 28:19. Sabelius declined because he did not have biblical support. The Father cannot be tempted, (James 1:13), and Jesus was tempted (Heb. 4:15; Luke 22:28). There are many texts that prove that the Father and Jesus are two distinct persons(John 11:40-42; Acts 7:56; John 20:17; Acts 2:36; 5:30-31; 13:27-33). These are a few texts among hundreds.

    What did Jesus teach, though, when he said: “I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE”? Jesus taught that the love with which He loved is just like the Father’s love (1 John 4:8). Jesus taught that, He and the Father, from eternity, have always agreed. They both want to save, and never to kill. Both want to help and never to oppress. Both want to absolve and never to condemn, or to accuse. Their eternal purpose is the same. The goodness and mercy of them both is eternal and unchangeable. In face of this reality expounded in the New Testament, we register here contradictory aspects between Jehovah, the god of Israel in the Old Testament, and that which Jesus taught:

    Considering that one can only go to God the Father through Jesus Christ, according to John 14:6,why could Jehovah be found without Jesus? “And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart” (Jer. 29:13; 1 Chr. 28:9; 2 Chr. 15:15; Ezra 8:22, etc).
    If only Jesus knows the Father, and only Jesus reveals the Father God to men, why did Jehovah reveal himself through Moses, and that before Jesus? No one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matt 11:27; Ex. 3:7-15; Ezek. 20:5).
    If we accept Jehovah as the God and Father of Jesus, and Jehovah gave the law at Sinai, why did Jesus change the law? In Ex. 20:1-7 we read that Jehovah gave the Ten Commandments, and inHeb. 7:12 we read that the law was modified. And in the same chapter we read that the law was weak and useless (Heb. 7:18-19). The Son and the god of the Old Testament were not one, according to these texts.
    If only Jesus can save sinners (1 Tim. 1:15), and this salvation is linked to the resurrection, for Paul taught that, if Christ had not been raised all men would be eternally lost, (1 Cor. 15:12-18),why did Jehovah save without the mediation of Christ? Jehovah said, “I, even I, am Jehovah; and there is no Savior besides Me” (Is. 43:11).
    Jesus declared that the eternal life resided in knowing the only true God, and also in knowing him, Jesus, whom God had sent (John 17:3). The Jews and the priests were faithful to Jehovah and to the Torah, and they did not accept Jesus. For this reason they killed Him on the cross by the hands of the Roman soldiers. They remain loyal to the law of Jehovah till today, and they do not accept Jesus. The question is, “Are they, who know Jehovah and reject Jesus, saved?” If they are, how do we understand Acts 4:10-12?
    If God the Father is love, according to 1John 4:8, why was Jehovah so vengeful, according toNahum 1:2, seeing that love suffers everything, believes everything, hopes everything, bears everything, according to 1 Cor. 13:7?
    If Jehovah confesses that he did not know any other people besides Israel, according to Deut. 14:2 and Amos 3:2, why did he call Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon his servant and one pleasing in his eyes, if Nebuchadnezzar was cruel, prideful and tyrannical? (Jer. 27:1-8; 25:9; 43:10).
    If Jesus, sent by the Father, came to destroy the works of the devil, according to 1 John 3:8, why did Jehovah support them? Did Jehovah oppose Satan when he doubted Job’s faithfulness? He on the contrary agreed with the malignant plans of Satan (Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7). Jesus opposed Satan in Luke 22:31-32.
    If Jehovah established in the law and in the prophets that life consisted of the observation and obedience to the law (Lev. 18:5; Ezek. 20:11,13,21), why is it written in the New Testament that whoever keeps the Law falls from grace and loses their life? Paul spoke by the Holy Spirit, saying,“And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace” (Gal. 5:3,4).
    If the Father’s righteousness in the New Testament is Jesus Christ crucified for us (Rom. 10:4; 2 Cor. 5:21), why did Jehovah establish the law as a basis for righteousness? “But Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works” (Rom. 9:31-32). And Paul says that Israel, knowing the standard of Jehovah’s righteousness, did not know the righteousness of God. Christ and Jehovah are not one (Rom. 10:3; Acts 13:39).
    Jehovah allowed divorce for whatever reason. “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house” (Deut. 24:1). Another instance is in Deut. 21:10-14. Jesus forbade divorce for any reason at all. Therefore he is not one with Jehovah (Matt. 19:3-6).
    Jehovah declares himself the god of the silver and the gold in Haggai 2:8. He is, for this reason, the god who makes rich or poor (1 Sam. 2:7; Eccl. 5:19). If Jehovah is the one who gives wealth, why did Jesus tell his disciples not to seek it? (Matt. 6:19-21).
    Jehovah made Solomon very rich (1 Kings 3:13). He gave Jehoshaphat many riches (2 Chr. 17:5). He made Hezekiah rich (2 Chr. 32:27). Why does Jesus say to relinquish one’s wealth? “So, therefore, no one of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his possessions” (Luke 14:33). A rich man wished to follow Jesus, and he told him, “go and sell your possessions and give to the poor…and come, follow Me” (Matt. 16:22). Another very rich man wanted to build larger storing places, but Jesus said to him, “You fool! This very night your soul is required of you; and now who will own what you have prepared?” (Luke 12:16-21).
    The concept of riches of Jehovah was totally material, for it was made of the silver and gold we use here on this world. This was the treasure belonging to Jehovah that was stored in Solomon’s temple (Josh. 6:18-19; 1 Kings 7:51; etc.). Why does Jesus make void this concept of riches and establishes another one in Matt. 6:19-21? Jesus and Jehovah are not one.
    Jehovah gave his measure for love in the Law: “And you shall love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might” (Deut. 6:5). “You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Lev. 19:18). Jesus established another standard saying, “A New commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you” (John 13:34). The love with which Jesus loves men is so vast, divine, and glorious, that it places the commandment to love the neighbor as oneself in the dust, so inferior it is. The standard of Jehovah is carnal and human, but the standard of Jesus is spiritual and divine. Jesus and Jehovah have different concepts.
    Jehovah loved himself better than he loved men, and he said, because Israel had not been faithful, that he had poured his wrath on them in Egypt. And he did this because he loved himself(Ezek. 20:8-9). This is the measure of the love of Jehovah. The measure of the love of Jesus is another, for loving lost men better then Himself, he gave His life on the cross to save them. Which is the greater love? There is one sure thing. Jehovah cannot be Jesus, nor can he be God the Father. Let us continue on this subject. How can this statement of Jesus be understood “I and the Father are one”?

    SAME NATURE? “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1).

    SAME POWER? “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth” (Matt. 28:18).

    SAME LOVE? “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16). “Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends” (Jo. 15:13).

    SAME PURPOSE? “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

    SAME GOODNESS? “And He [Jesus] said to him, ‘Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good” (Matt. 19:17).

    SAME SPIRIT? ” However you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him” (Matt. 19:17).SAME GLORY? “And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was” (John 17:5).

    SAME AUTHORSHIP OF CREATION? “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him; and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being (John 1:1-3). SAME DOMINIUM?“…and all things that are Mine are Thine, and Thine are Mine; and I have been glorified in them” (John 17:10).

    SAME HOLINESS?  “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens” (Rev. 3:7).

    THE QUEST GOES ON: What did Jesus mean when he said: “The Father and I are one”? Jesus meant to reveal that wherever the Son is not, the Father is not, either. Christ wasn’t in the Old Testament, therefore, the Father was not there either. The Old Testament prophecies said that the Christ would come. “You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me” (John 5:39). “O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!” (Luke 24:25).

    If Jesus were the same Jehovah of the Old Testament, he would have said: “I have come on My own initiative”. But, on the contrary, he said: “If God were your Father, you would love Me; for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I HAVE NOT EVEN COME ON MY OWN INITIATIVE, but He sent Me” (John 8:42). Jesus wished to reveal that the Father doesn’t exist outside the Son: “No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him” (John 1:18).

    If God were seen through the Son, He might be Jehovah, but God is seen in the Son, because they areone in essence. “Phillip said to Him, ‘Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.’  Jesus said to him, ‘Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Phillip? HE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER’ ” (John 14:8-9). Jesus doesn’t point to the Father saying, “It is this one or it is that one”, but says: “TO LOOK AT ME IS TO LOOK AT THE FATHER WHO IS IN ME”. “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works” (John 14:10).

    The Father entrusted everything in the hands of the Son, thus being unable to manifest Himself outside the Son, or even prior to the Son. “Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands” (John 13:3) “All things that the Father has are Mine” (John 16:15). “The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hands” (John 3:35). “For not even the Father judges any one, but He has given all judgment to the Son” (John 5:22). Jehovah judged men before the Son had come; this was against John 5:22. All is all.

    If God was judging men before Christ came, it means that He had not given all judgment to the Son, only part of the judgment, since the Son could not deliver the ones condemned by the Father, as this would constitute two judgments. Because the Father had determined one only judgment by the hands of the Son, the previous judgments had not been true judgments. (Acts 17:31). This is the reason why Jesus Christ will judge Sodom and Gomorrah that were judged and condemned by Jehovah, again. (Gen. 19:24-25 and Matt. 11:24).

    The Father God revealed in Jesus Christ cannot be seen nor known apart from Jesus, because the good works that Jesus did are the expression of the love of the Father“…the works that I do in My Father’s name, these bear witness of Me” (John 10:25) “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” (John 10:32)  “If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.” (John 10:37-38) “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” (John 14:7)

    No one can see the Father, hear the Father, and know the Father apart from Jesus Christ. For this reason, Jesus told them, “I am the truth, the way, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.” (John 14:6) Jesus had not said, “nobody goes to the Father”, but, “nobody comes to the Father”, because the Father is in Him, and not outside of Him.

    The works that Jehovah does are works of evil, not works of love (Amos 3:6;  Jer. 11:17; 18:11 and 21:10). For this reason Jehovah was outside of Christ. In John 3:19-21 Jesus says that evil is darkness.  If Jehovah does what is evil, and evil is darkness, Jehovah is the god of darkness (Ex. 20:21 and Ps. 18:11).

    Finally, we read in Matthew: “… and no one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matt.11:27). Adam knew Jehovah; Cain knew Jehovah, Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, etc.. Jehovah prided himself in being known: “…but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am Jehovah” (Jer. 9:24). “Thus says the Lord God, ‘On the day when I chose Israel and swore to the descendants of the House of Jacob AND MADE MYSELF KNOWN TO THEM IN THE LAND OF EGYPT” (Ezek. 20:5). Nobody knows the Father, though, except the Son. And if Jehovah made himself known, has the Son made a useless revelation? When Jesus says, “anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him”, declares that the revelation of the Father isn’t public, but private. Christ doesn’t reveal Him to everybody, but only to the saints. Matthew, John, Paul and the other apostles have not revealed the Father, because they didn’t feel up to doing the works, which were exclusively Jesus’ works. They would be usurpers. It is easy to determine who is not the Father, because the one that is not the Father, kills, send plagues and pestilence, sends to captivity, delivers the just to the devil, makes mothers eat their offspring. It is easy to find out that Jehovah is not the Father, neither Jesus. Only the blind think they can prove that the usurper is the Father, for his works are so contrary to His, as the light is different from the darkness, and Hell is different from Heaven. If a man can take the name of God and also prophesy in the name of God, falsely, why can’t an angel, who is much higher than men, usurp the place of God before blind men? This is the reason why the one who worships Jesus only, has the Father also(1John 2:23). Why does Jesus show up only in the New Testament? Because He didn’t want to be a co-operator with the works of darkness. When Jehovah entered the History of men, calamities, curses, and havoc began to happen. Christ came in person in order to destroy the works of the devil. (1John 3:8).        Here are some more of jehovas’ claims: The words of Jehovah God: “Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die” (Ez. 18:4). In other words, Jehovah is saying: As the souls are mine, I kill those that sin. This can be proven by the words of the priest Eli as he rebuked his sons Hophni and Phinehas: “If one man sins against another, God will mediate for him; but if a man sins against the Lord, who can intercede for him? BUT THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF THEIR FATHER, FOR THE LORD DESIRED TO PUT THEM TO DEATH” (1Sam. 2:25).

    When did Jehovah declare that all souls belonged to him? These words were spoken a long time after Adam was sent out of the Garden of Eden, and a long time before the death of Christ in the cross to redeem sinners. Which was the situation of the souls that lived since the times of Adam until Jesus Christ? Paul reveals in Rom. 5:17 that they were all dead, and Jesus confirms it when a young man, which wanted to follow him, asked him permission to go bury his father first: “And another of the disciples said to Him; ‘Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father.’ But Jesus said to him, Follow Me; and allow the dead to bury their own dead’” (Matt. 8:21,22). John said that whoever believed in Jesus had passed from death to life (John 5:24).

    If these souls were dead, how did Jehovah declare that they belonged to him? Is it because Jehovah is the God of the dead? I refuse to believe in this blasphemy, but it is Jehovah who speaks of himself as the owner of the dead souls.

    In the New Testament, we read that Jesus bought the souls with his precious blood (1Cor. 6:20 and 1Pet. 1:18,19). If Jesus is Jehovah, did he buy them from himself? Did he redeem them from his own hands? The Apostle Paul tells us that the work of Christ is to deliver men from the devil (Acts 10:38; 26:18). We understand by the Bible that Jesus bought and redeemed them from someone wicked. Since Jehovah stated that the souls belonged to him, Jesus could not have bought them, only delivered them. Someone buys that which does not belong to him or her. If Jehovah is the Father, Jesus bought them from the Father for the Father?  How could Jesus buy from the devil that which belongs to Jehovah? If I buy from Peter the car that belongs to John, I was sold a bill of goods. Paul further says that all creation is subjected to futility, and that creatures will be set free from corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God (Rom. 8:20,21). Did souls belong to Jehovah while they were still slaves in captivity to corruption?

    John, in his gospel, teaches that, in order for us to be children of God, we have to accept Christ as Savior, and that the ones who were born of flesh and blood are not the children of God (John 1:12, 13).All the souls, which Jehovah declares to be his, have not received Jesus as their savior, and they were born of the flesh and of the blood; and Paul reveals that flesh and blood are corruptible, in 1Cor.15:50.As it is, declaring that all souls are his, Jehovah is saying that corruption belongs to him, for the blood is the soul. “So when any man from the sons of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches a beat or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For as the life of all flesh, its blood is identified with its life” (Lev. 17:13,14).

    So, we see that the souls, corrupt by nature, could not belong to the Father or to Jesus Christ, but belonged to Jehovah. And Jesus bought them for himself and for his Father, pouring his blood in the cross. The Bible says that all are sinners, in Rom. 5:12, and maintains that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, in Rom. 3:23; and does Jehovah say that all souls are his? In Ps. 24:1 we read that the world and those who live in it belong to Jehovah. This is unbelievable, but Jehovah declares himself to be the owner of the dead souls and the owner of sinners fallen short of the glory of God!

    Jesus, says Paul, came to save the sinners who belonged to Jehovah (1Tim. 1:15). It is evident that these sinners were not of Jesus or of the Father, for John says that whoever sins, has never seen Him or known Him (1John 3:5,6). Christ came to set captives free, we read in Luke 4:18,19. If they were captives, how did Jehovah allow it, and how did he asseverate that they all belonged to him? 

    How could all souls belong to Jehovah, if a great number of souls are children of the devil? “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies” (John 8:44).

    John said, in relation to Jesus, “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds, to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment” (John 5:28,29).

    If the largest part is condemned, because they are children of the devil, God could not say: All souls are mine. Let us listen again to what John says, “By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: any one who does not practice righteousness IS NOT OF GOD” (1John 3:10). But we who believe in Jesus Christ belong to God the Father, because we were bought with the precious blood of his only begotten Son. Now we know that GOD can not lie, otherwise he would be of the dark and not light. Remember Linda; common sense lesson….. why is hot, hot and cold in fact cold? Or any other two things that are diametrically opposed to one another for that matter. ex: light/ dark, good/ evil, fast/ slow etc., etc. ,etc. The answer is obvious, it was not a trick question. You did not answer correctly even after we discussed and I made you aware that I had already given you the answer. You still could not answer the obvious until I pointed it out to you. Let us recap, light can not be darkness or it is not light……very simple. Common sense but to this day only one person looked at me in amazement for asking such a stupid question and immediately gave correct answer. Kudos to that young man , Josh, who possesses common sense. OK , lies of jehova….again, this is by no means an exhaustive list here but just a few.                1.     Jehovah declares that he deceives the prophets, therefore, he lies (Ezek. 14:6-10). Does he kill, afterwards?

    2.     Jehovah deceived Jeremiah (Jer. 20:7,8).

    3.     Jeremiah accuses Jehovah of deceiving Israel (Jer. 4:10).

    4.     He deceived Ahab through 400 prophets (1Kings 22:5-6; 19-23). In order to kill Ahab, he used the artifice of a lie.

    5.     Jehovah says that nobody has ever oppressed Israel (1 Chr. 16:20-22; Is. 54:10-11). We mention here texts where Israel was oppressed: Judg. 2:13-16; 3:8-9,12-15. “Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of Jehovah, after Ehud died. And Jehovah sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor; and the commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth-hagoyim. And the sons of Israel cried to Jehovah; for he had nine hundred iron chariots, and he oppressed the sons of Israel severely for twenty years” (Judg. 4:1-3).Jehovah oppressed Israel (Judg. 6:1-10; 10:6-10; 13:1; Is. 60:14).

    6.     Jehovah said that he was going to destroy death forever (Is. 25:8), and perpetrated it instead(Is. 65:17-25; 66:22-24).

    7.     He said that he was going to forgive Israel in the desert (Ezek. 20:13-17) but destroyed them(Num. 14:18-23; 26-37). “‘And I will dash them against each other, both the fathers and the sons together,’ declares Jehovah. ‘I will not show pity nor be sorry nor have compassion that I should not destroy them’” (Jer. 13:14).

    8.     Jehovah created the destroyer (Is. 54:16) to destroy his people (Is. 6:11-12; 61:3-4; Joel 1:7-12). The destructions should end in 70 years (Dan. 9:2). They have not ended until today: Under the Greeks, Antiochus Epifanes took an idol into the Holy of Holies; under the Romans, there was the slaughter of children by Herod the Great; Titus and Vespasianus destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple; and there was the great holocaust of six million Jews killed under the power of Hitler.

    9.     Jehovah chose Jeroboam (1 Kings 11:29-37). He lied, and afterwards accused Israel of having chosen him (2 Kings 17:20-21).

    10.       He promised a rest during the kingdom of Solomon (1 Chr. 22:9-10). It did not happen, since Solomon never had peace in his kingdom (1 Kings 11:14-25). He lied.

    11.       The Aaronic priesthood would be eternal (Ex. 40:13-15; 1 Chr. 23:13). Considering that it was changed, it came to an end (Heb. 7:11-12).

    12.       Jehovah said that the one who kept the law would live (Lev. 18:5; Ezek. 20:11; Rom. 5:12).Death reigned until Christ (Rom. 5:17; Matt. 8:21-22). No one is justified before God by the law, though.

    13.       Jehovah considers himself Almighty (Gen. 17:1). Nobody escapes his hands (Deut. 32:39; Is. 43:13; 14:27; 1 Sam. 2:3-10). He is the potter (Jer. 18:1-6; Is. 63:8). The devil was stronger, as we read in Rom. 8:19-21. He did not keep Adam, David, Salomon or Israel. He lied, for he never keeps anyone. And Israel accuses him (Is. 63:17).

    14.       The earth was created formless and empty (Gen. 1:2). Jehovah says that he did not create it empty (Is. 45:18). Who lied?

    15.       Jehovah says that he thinks evil and not good (Jer. 18:11; 21:10). Later, he says that he thinks good, and not evil (Jer. 29:11).

    16.       Jehovah says that he takes no pleasure in the death of the one who dies (Ezek. 18:32). But he shut the ears of Hophni and Phinehas, because he wanted to kill them (1 Sam. 2:25; Gen. 38:6-7).

    17.       He testified to David walking in his ways (1 Kings 11:38). David did not walk in his ways, though (2 Sam. 12:7-12).

    18.       Jehovah said that parents would not die for their children, neither the children for their parents(Deut. 24:16; Is. 14:21). He killed Eli for the sins of his sons Hophni and Phineas (1 Sam. 2:22-25; 12-17). He killed David’s son for the sin of his father (2 Sam. 12:15-19).

    19.       Jehovah does not show partiality (Deut. 10:17) but declared to have favored Israel and not Egypt (Ex. 11:6-7; Amos 3:2; Deut. 14:1-2).

    20.       He gave orders to Moses concerning the sacrifices and burnt offerings (Ex. 20:24). And, in Jer. 7:21,22, he denied having given such order.

    21.       He assured Abraham that he would not kill the righteous with the unrighteous (Gen. 18:24-32). And he did the opposite, killing righteous and wicked together (Ezek. 21:1-4).

    22.       He said that he does not make use of violence (Zach. 4:6), and in reality he uses it (Ezek. 20:33; Ps. 7:11-13).

    23.       He asked the people to turn from his ways (Ezek. 33:11). Afterwards, he did not accept their repentance (Jer. 11:14; 13:14; Ex. 8:18).

    24.       Haggai and Zachariah preached the end of the captivity after 70 years (Jer. 25:12; 29:10-14; Dan. 9:2). Zerubbabel restored the temple in 538 BC, when he returned with 42,000 men. In 456, Esra took 1,755 men to Jerusalem. The prophecy was that the glory of the second temple would be greater than the glory of the first one (Hag.2:9). The temple of Solomon stood for 360 years and the one of Zerubbabel for 195 years. Antiochus Epiphanius defiled it through the offerings of pigs, in 170 BC. Therefore, the prophecy of Haggai 2:9 was not true. Nebuzaradan burnt he temple in the year 587 BC.

    25.       The history was like this: the decree of Cyrus was in 534 BC. The work took 21 years. It was finished in 515 BC. Esra went to Jerusalem in 458 BC, according to Esra 1:1-2. The second temple has not become glorious, until today. A lie.     Let us cover another sore subject ignored by the church…….human sacrifice. No one in their right mind would ever consider Moloch to be anything other than a false god and may even consider a deity that demands and accepts human sacrifice  to be of Satan or luciferian in nature. However you would like to describe it, feel free to do so now. Well, let us apply that same theory with these acts here:            Ancient mythology brings us news of human sacrifices as a means to placate the wrath and furor of the gods of the peoples. Children were innocent victims of these horrible worships. In the year 2,214 BC, in many places (Ur, Mari, Assyria, Ugarit, Amou), they worshipped the god Moloch with the sacrifice of children. These innocent victims were burnt alive. This macabre worship got into the history of Israel with Solomon, the king who had the wisdom given by Yahweh, or Jehovah, the god of the Hebrews. Jehovah had forbidden this worship in the Law of Moses. “Neither shall you give any of your offspring to offer them to Moloch, nor shall you profane the name of your God” (Lev.18:21). Whoever did this was condemned to death; and if anyone, friend or relative, knowing about it, did not denounce the one guilty of this crime, and did not kill him; such person and his family were condemned to death and extinction(Lev.20:2-5).

    Solomon was nymphomaniac, having a thousand women: three hundred were concubines, all of them forbidden by Yahweh (Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Hittites, Sidoneans, and the Pharaoh’s daughter). Those women corrupted him to the extent that he built a statue of Moloch, an abomination of the sons of Ammon (1 Kings 11:1-6). Solomon did not die, because he was favored of Jehovah. Many kings offered their children to the fire of Moloch. King Ahab (2 Kings 16:1-3), Manasseh (2 Kings 21:1-6). This horrible worship became a practice among the people of Israel (2 Kings 2:16-17).

    The issue  I propose is the following: Jehovah, the one who killed those who committed this crime of sacrificing to Moloch, also accepted sacrifices of children. Or not? Let us analyze the Old Testament.

    Israel was warring against the sons of Ammon, the people of Moloch, and Jephthah was the chosen general (Judges 11:1-5). Afraid of being defeated, Jephthah vowed to Jehovah the following: “If Thou wilt indeed give the sons of Ammon into my hand, than it shall be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the sons of Ammon, it shall be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering” (Judges 11:30-31). Jephthah had an only daughter, and she went out from his house to meet him. Jephthah, when he saw her, rent his garments, crying, for he was going to fulfill his promise; and he did it 60 days after that. The question is: Does Jehovah accept human sacrifices or not? Did Jehovah accept the sacrifice of Jephthah? Follow me.

    When Israel, led by Joshua, was at the doors of Canaan, Achan saw among the spoil a Babylonian mantle, two hundred shekels of silver, and a bar of gold, and hid them in the earth. For this reason, Israel began to lose the battle, and thirty-six Israelite soldiers died. Joshua tore his garments and fell, praying, before Jehovah, who said: There is sin. Joshua cast lots and the tribe of Judah was appointed. From the tribe of Judah, the family of the Zerahites was taken, and among the Zerahites, Achan. This was all done under the instruction of Jehovah. After Achan had confessed his sin, all the people got Achan, the silver, the mantle, the bar of gold, his sons and his daughters, his oxen, his donkeys and his sheep, his tent and all he had, and took them to the Valley of Achor, and stoned them to death and burnt them with fire. By this “JEHOVAH TURNED FROM THE FIERCENESS OF HIS ANGER” (Josh.7:1-26). If the sacrifice of the family of Achan placated the wrath of Jehovah, he accepts human sacrifices.

    The second is the case of the first-born. After Jehovah freed Israel from the Egyptian yoke through the death of the first-born, he demanded that all the first-born of Israel, both human and animal, were handed over to him. The first-born had to be redeemed by five shekels in silver. If they were not redeemed, they were sacrificed to Jehovah (Ex.13:11-16; Num.18:15-16). In this way, Jehovah accepted sacrifices of children, just as Moloch did. The omission of the ransom resulted in sacrifice. The other case is the circumcision. The child that was not circumcised was sacrificed to Jehovah(Gen.17:14).

    For forty years as they wandered through the desert, the people of Israel prostituted with the Moabites. Furious, Jehovah sent a plague that killed 24,000 Moabites. He was prepared to go on killing, but Phinehas the son of Eleazar, grandson of Aaron, took a spear and pierced a man of Israel and the woman through the body. Jehovah then said, “Phinehas the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, has turned away My wrath from the sons of Israel” (Num.25:11). Jehovah accepted human sacrifice to appease him.

    The fifth is the case of Saul. Jehovah chose Saul, and Jehovah rejected Saul (1 Sam.9:17; 16:1). The prophet Samuel gave the news of the rejection, but the announcement of the death of Saul and his three sons, Jehovah gave by the mouth of a sorcerer (1 Sam.13:14; 28:6-19; 31:1-2). The death of Saul and his three sons did not put out the vengeful fury of Jehovah, for thirty years more. Jehovah, very angry, sent three years of famine over Israel. David prayed and Jehovah answered that the responsible for it was Saul and his bloody house. They had wished to kill the Gibeonites forty years before. David called the Gibeonites to clear things up and end the famine in Israel. The Gibeonites asked for the seven sons of Saul to hang them in sacrifice to Jehovah. All seven innocent men were hung unto Jehovah, and the text finishes, “and after that God was moved by entreaty for the land” (2 Sam.21:1-14).

    Let us analyze the last of the cases of this study. The kingdom of Israel enjoyed years of glory under the rule of David, and under peace. The kingdom was strengthened and the ark was taken to Jerusalem and placed in a tent that David put up (1 Chr.16:1). David said, “I am dwelling in a house of cedar, but the ark of the covenant of Jehovah is under curtains”. Then David decided to edify a house for the ark of God (1 Chr.17:1-12). At this time of glory for David and his kingdom, the wrath of Jehovah was kindled against Israel, apparently with no reason. Jehovah was angry, and only human sacrifices would bring him peace. Since there was no reason for sacrifices, Jehovah incited David to number the people, and David obeyed, and that gave Jehovah reason to kill 70,000 Israelites.

    Those 70,000 souls were sacrificed to appease the spirit of Jehovah (2 Sam.24:1; 1 Chr.21:1-16).

    In reality, Jehovah was never against human sacrifices. When he forbid the sacrifices done to Moloch, he did so because this privilege, only he, Jehovah, could have.

    When Jesus died on the cross, this sacrifice was not done unto the Father, but to Jehovah. The Father gave his Son in sacrifice, and the blood that was shed delivered us from Jehovah. Peter said, “Knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold…but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ” (1 Pet.18-19). Understanding of this makes the doctrines of protestant  church denominations blasphemous in believing that jehova/ yhwh is either CHRIST OR the FATHER. No one ransoms himself. Now if you would like to focus on “the blood of CHRIST”, fine, just be certain that you understand that he was a sacrifice to yhwh/ jehova and be sure that it is made clear to those you teach that to unlike the church. Never allow pew warmers to walk away believing this abomination is in fact GOD or CHRIST. for doing so you will be silenced though if not shunned and literally thrown out of your church for not conforming to the Protestant doctrine. You see, once you understand some of these things you find that the Protestant church is no place for a christian as it is Judaic in nature. It gets no more Judaic than believing in yhwy/jehova in either form of their doctrine or awaiting and praying for the Jewish messiah to come. Problem usually is that they do not know what the Jewish messiah is…….he does not concur with the FATHER or CHRIST , JUST AS JEHOVA DOES NOT. Linda, you know that I could go on here forever providing all from the KJV, this should be sufficient though. Good luck in your mission my cousin.Love you, so does CHRIST. Yhwh and his worshippers will not though, now that you have some truth to show them on this subject. So make your choice, Christ or the church and sola scriptura as THEY present it to you. Believe.me, you are not going to make any friends here.That is not what it is about though, it is about saving souls from jehova and it can not be done without discussing these matters. Remember, I could do this all day long, protestants can not win this as the truth is self evident. It needs no mosaic or otherwise law to make it so. However, they are making it illegal to hold this position, step by step. Which side are you on “christian”?

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