Adam Lanza ‘wanted to kill more people than Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik and he picked Sandy Hook because it had the most potential targets’


Killer: Adam Lanza may have been copying a video game when he opened fire on students and teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary School  Anders Breivik killed 77 people

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  • Adam Lanza killed 27 people in Connecticut, including 20 school children and his own mother
  • Anders Breivik killed 77 in Norway, eight died in a car bombing on the capital and he murdered 69 more at a summer camp
  • Police probing whether Lanza may have been a copying video game as he went room-to-room firing a Bushmaster assault rifle at the school
  • He smashed his hard drive before the massacre, making his online trail and habits impossible to follow

Adam Lanza set out on his shooting spree in Newtown, Connecticut, intent on killing people people than Norwegian mass-murderer Ander Breivik, it was claimed today.

A new report says Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School because he believed it was the best place for him to shoot as many people as possible and rival the 77 lives claimed by Breivik in 2011.

The details could shed more light on what caused Lanza to kill his mother and then commit a shooting rampage that left 20 first graders and six adults dead on December 14. 

 
Young victims: Lanza targeted two first grade classrooms at Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed nearly everyone he saw
Copycat? A new report suggests that Adam Lanza, who killed 27 people, meant to top the number of murders committed by Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Breivik in 2011
 
Similar ends: Breivik also targeted young people. He killed 69 at a youth summer camp organized by the Labor PartySimilar ends: Breivik also targeted young people. He killed 69 at a youth summer camp organized by the Labor Party. A total of 77 died in his two attacks

CBS News quotes two anonymous officials with inside knowledge of the police investigation as saying Sandy Hook offered the ‘easiest target’ and the ‘largest cluster of people’ for him to attack.

The Connecticut State Police dismissed the CBS report as ‘pure speculation’ and said the assertions about Breivik are not true.

Lanza left no note explaining his motives and smashed his hard drive before for the shooting, leaving few clues about why he killed his mother Nancy Lanza in her bed and then shot his way through the school.

Police believe Lanza may have been playing out a scenario in one of his favorite video games and was obsessed with achieving a higher ‘score’ than Breivik by killing even more people, according to CBS. 

Both Lanza and Breivik men apparently shared a love of the Call of Duty – the realistic combat shooting game and used it as ‘training’ for the deadly massacres.

Detectives found thousands of dollars worth of video games in a den with darkened windows where Lanza spent hours playing. 

Both killers also used American-made .223-caliber assault rifles. Breivik armed himself with a Ruger Mini-14 rifle. Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15.

 
Devastation: The murders of 20 first graders and six teachers shocked the nation and horrified the quiet community of NewtownDevastation: The murders of 20 first graders and six teachers shocked the nation and horrified the quiet community of Newtown

Mother: Nancy Lanza had taken her son to a shooting range for years, and was shot dead by her son with one of her own guns

Mother: Nancy Lanza had taken her son to a shooting range for years, and was shot dead by her son with one of her own guns

Breivik, 32 at the time, shocked the world in July 2011 when he planted a car bomb in downtown Oslo, Norway, and then attacked a summer camp run by the country’s Labor Party.

Eight people died in the bomb blast and 204 were injured. Breivik shot dead 67 people and wounded 33 more.

He was later taken alive by police and said he carried out the attacks to combat socialism and the immigration of Muslims to Norway.

He was sentenced to 21 years in prison, though his prison term can be extended every five years.

Unlike Breivik, Lanza would not be taken alive. He reportedly fired several rounds at police cars as they arrived on the scene.

He then shot himself in the head and was found dead by police who swept through the building. 

House of horrors: It is thought that Nancy was planning a move from their house in Newtown, pictured, for Washington state to find a place for Adam to go to college as she was tired of home schooling the troubled 20-year-old

House of horrors: It is thought that Nancy was planning a move from their house in Newtown, pictured, for Washington state to find a place for Adam to go to college as she was tired of home schooling the troubled 20-year-old

Along with the video games, Adam Lanza also learned how to fire guns during numerous sessions with his mother Nancy Lanza at a shooting range, where the two ‘bonded, the Hartford Courant reported on Sunday.

Her landscaper Dan Holmes told the paper: ‘She said she took her kids target shooting, that they bonded over that.’

Nancy Lanza was seen as a dedicated mother to Adam, who had been diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome and a sensory integration disorder – an aversion to bright lights and loud noises.

She had enrolled and pulled Adam into numerous schools over the years after growing unsatisfied with the education he was receiving.

victims

Victims: Top row- (L-R) Ana Marquez-Greene, Caroline Previdi, Jessica Rekos, Emilie Parker, Noah Pozner. Second row: (L-R) Jesse Lewis, Olivia Engel, Josephine Gay, Charlotte Bacon, Chase Kowalski. Third row: (L-R) Daniel Barden, Jack Pinto, Catherine Hubbard, Dylan Hockley, Benjamin Wheeler. Fourth row: (L-R) Grace McDonnell, James Mattioli, Avielle Richman, Rachel Davino, Anne Marie Murphy. Fifth row: (L-R) Lauren Rousseau, Mary Sherlach, Victoria Soto, Dawn Hochsprung, Nancy Lanza

 
Madeleine F. Hsu was 6.      This photo provided by the Wyatt family shows Allison Wyatt. Wyatt, 6, was killed Friday, Dec. 14, 2012, when a gunman opened fire at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Conn., killing 26 children and adults at the school.
 

More victims: Madeline Hsu, six, left, and Allison Wyatt, also six, right, were shot dead on December 14 at their school

She was planning a move to Washington state with the hopes of getting her son back into a college program.

But Adam Lanza also received an education on weapons from his mother, who took him target shooting at a gun range for years. 

Richard Novia, a security chief in the Newtown School system who moderated the tech club – of which Adam had been a member – said he disagreed with Nancy Lanza’s recreation with her son.

He told the Courant: ‘It’s a serious mistake, first of all. If you have a child in the home with mental disorders, or learning disabilities, to have involved him with guns in the first place would be bad.’

Days after the Sandy Hook shooting, Nancy Lanza’s sister-in-law Marsha revealed that she had traveled to nine cities in three countries because she wanted out of the mansion she shared with her troubled son Adam – and could have known the end was coming.

It is believed that Nancy – who was suffering from multiple sclerosis – wanted to downsize and find a place for him to go to college as she was tired of home schooling the troubled 20-year-old.

  1. #1 by Gail Jones on 02/19/2013 - 9:34

    THE U.S. GOVT.IS DOING THIS EVERY DAY IN COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND NOW THEIR DRONES ARE TARGETING THE HOMELAND.MOTIVATED BY GREED FOR OIL AND POWER AND ORDERED TO DO THIS BY THEIR MASTER NETTANYAHU OF ISRAEL.DO THEY REALLY BELIEVE THEY WILL BE SPARED? THEY ARE “GOY”. WHEN THEY HAVE DONE THE GRIZZLY WORK FOR THEIR MASTERS THEY TOO WILL BE ELIMINATED.WAKE UP FOOLS !

  2. #2 by daniele on 02/19/2013 - 9:34

    Well lets see how long you believe the “Official Story” after reading the new law enacted in May 2012!
    Read HR 5736, and tell me how much you believe ANYTHING the “government” tell you anymore!

    US Army Vet
    Marc C. Daniele

  3. #3 by Jean on 02/19/2013 - 9:34

    It was my impression that TUT was a reputable media. But you are promoting the Government lie.
    Adam Lanza was not there. There were no children or teachers murdered there. It was a Hoax
    from the start. Parents do not smile like idiots after they have lost a child or even if it is not their
    children there is a pall of sadness over the whole of the scene. You would not see people meandering aimlessly around the scene of a crime. You would not see a man rubbing his bare
    hands or even if he had gloves on over a shotgun or what ever the gun taken from the trunk of
    that prepositioned vehicle that had ready made bullet holes in it . Your credibility has gone down
    the drain with propaganda such as this. You need only look at the Youtube Sandy Hook Hoax
    to come to that obvious conclusion. It was a made for movie , fool the fools. It did not work on
    911 and it is not working this time either for those that are willing to look. It was a very poorly
    done excercise said to be real with many accomplices play acting for the purpose of bringing in
    draconian gun control legislation.

    ed note–we are–or are trying to be–‘reputable’ media, which is why we are NOT jumping on this SH bandwagon which was designed from the beginning to destroy all credibility in all ‘truth’ movements, including 9/11, USS LIBERTY, the ‘Holocaust’, etc.

    If you find this troubling and thus this calls into question our ‘reputability’, then we would prefer you do go somewhere else for your information, since oftentimes a person is judged by the company he keeps and the last thing we can afford to be known for is a haven for individuals who can’t tell the difference between real gold and Fool’s Gold as pertains criminal conspiracies.

  4. #4 by Dante Ardenz on 02/19/2013 - 9:34

    The Jews tell us in that looks don’t count,as they peddle there culture distortion.Looking at Lanza one can tell he is was a dangerous creep.As for Beivuk,he was Neoconservative,Israel backing,high ranking Mason.A photo of him wearing the garb was broadcast over international and the internet.He attacked that camp of Nordic Young People who wanted to boycott Israel,considering it a ‘Hitler Youth’ type of thing.He is not the White hating left,but today;Jew LOVING RIGHT,who do there bidding.The press hushed up his motives,and who he really is.

  5. #5 by 1bigcree Shadowhawk on 02/19/2013 - 9:34

    I hope people can see how the Jewstream ‘Media’ is using this to create divisions in our ranks. This piece of ‘News’ just proves it. More Jewish bullshit!!

  6. #6 by Leo on 02/19/2013 - 9:34

    Lanza did not act alone, this is being proven as time goes by…. this was planned by sinister Black opps forces by the U S government .

  7. #7 by Ingrid B on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    More opinions, more speculation, no proof of anything..

    “Unlike Breivik, Lanza would not be taken alive. He reportedly fired several rounds at police cars as they arrived on the scene.

    He then shot himself in the head and was found dead by police who swept through the building.” :

    “reportedly”.. in my opinion, (hope it`s allowed,) another convenient death, similar to Mr. X in Tel Aviv..

  8. #8 by michael mazur on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    Jean, there are seven women named and pictured; who are they if not who we are told ? Adults, such as they, unlike little kids, have all three circles of family and of friends and of acquaintances.

    If the seven women are alive, why would anyone of them agree for some macabre reason to be in sync with a govt intel agency program pretending to be dead, to be whisked away to someplace else under other names assigned to them, to never again see their loved ones ???

    It follows then that all the little kids are dead also, for the six staff members to be shot, and the kids not shot, but claimed to have been shot, would be too bizarre to stand for even a day, as the parents would all be coming forward with their very alive kids who are pictured as dead.

    About Adam Lanza; as all the staff in unison said that they had not let him in the main entrance, then the question to be answered is how did he know that he could get in some other way ?

    Taking the official narrative at its face value, he had to be very sure of getting in before first killing his mother; that he was thinking ahead is indicated by him destroying the computer hard drive.

    Why was he sure he could get in ? The answer is he could not have been sure, which means Adam was not the shooter. The shooter went to their house, had the key in case the door was locked, shot the mother, grabbed the now catatonic on seeing this Adam, shoved him into the car, drove to the school, yanked out the still in shock Adam, pushed him ahead of himself to a locked side door to which he had a master key, and upon entry with Adam ahead of him, promptly shot him in the head, then proceeded with the rest of it.

    Barely five minutes later he was in a different car, the engine of which was quietly ticking over, and driven away by an accomplice.

    There is a group photo of Adam with ten other computer geeks, and of all of them are of more physique than him. There he really is thin, light weight, though tallish.

    He would not have had the strength to resist a determined robust well trained shooter grabbing him like a rag doll and pushing him around until he no longer needed him. Bang !

    About Emilie Parker; i have a question which i can’t resolve; her father, Robbie Parker, on camera had to act up his distress before he was ready to deliver his lines. I don’t know what’s going on with this. Anyone ?

    What i would like to see available for local people is for them to ask to see enrollment and daily attendance records for Emilie. But that won’t happen.

  9. #9 by kelley on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    Dear Mark,
    I have followed and loved your site for about 3 years now… What an amazing source of spiritual and intelligent analysis concerning this twisted world! Please don’t ever give up.

    I must however disagree with your firm stance regarding the S.H. massacre. It seems like the hope of preserving the appearance of journalistic credibility has , in this case, eclipsed the normally bold pursuit of uncovering the truth.

    If you are convinced that the official narrative is credible, I will not try to change your mind. But by and large, I can’t understand why you are trying to distance yourself and the TUT network from those of us who don’t buy it, and who are questioning and analyzing a story which s been riddled with inconsistencies from the start.

    Why now, all of a sudden, are we to be pressured or intimidated into supporting the MSM version of a mass murder event, on the basis that w e should fear being labelled ‘conspiracy kooks’..or on the off chance that our pursuit of truth should be ridiculed and exploited some point down the line? Since when does the approval of our peers (or critics) factor into the equation?

    Right now I feel alienated from TUT as a credible sourc of intelligent, fearless analysis. I also get the impression that a lot of very good people are likewise disheartened with the lambasting they have received for even daring to question the official storyline here at TUT. Which is very sad…and does not bode well for the future relevancy of the site.

    We have come a long way together, but we sure didn’t get here by stifling dissent and trusting the MSM. And neither did we get here by worrying about what the JSM, the MSM, or any of the millions of koolaid drinkers had to say about us.

    Mark, your points about the corruptive Influence of jewish media, video games etc. are valid enough…yet these points do not preclude the liklihood of an orchestrated, false flag attack at Sandy Hook. There is so very much at stake here…particularly with regard to the second amendment. If its just not your fish to fry, I can respect that. But likewise for some of us it is a rather big deal. Using TUT as a forum to eject us from your ranks seems like a mistake. Who wins?

    Sincerely,
    Kelley

    ed note–Hi Kelly, nice to finally meet you.

    Firstly, thank you for the kind words.

    Secondly, for the sake of setting the record straight, my position is not that SH does not have questions surrounding it. What I have said-and continue to say–is that the ‘proof’ that the Sandy Hook Truthers are bringing forward that there is/was some monkey business associated with it is not proof to me, at least not yet.

    I have been doing this a long time, and I have seen (and have even been a participant in) events where people STREEEEETCH things in order to make it cover a pre-conceived thesis they have about x,y, or z.

    Give you a case in point–years ago, probably 20, when I got caught up in the ‘patriot’ movement, someone came to one of the weekly meetings we had to tell about how a nearby town had been ‘locked down’ the previous weekend in what was a martial law drill. They described ‘black helicopters’ everywhere, foreign troops who spoke little or no English and mock drills where National Guard troops working in tandem with these ‘foreign troops’ were practicing kicking in doors and looking for guns.

    I posted it on a forum and it went VIRAL. In fact, so much so that I was contacted by none other than the Spotlight newspaper (today’s American Free Press where our beloved Michael Collins Piper works) and was interviewed about it.

    A few years later, I decided to join the National Guard to get some military training. Early into my enlistment, we went out to this same town mentioned previously where we did drills for flood/disaster relief, as they did every year. There were no ‘black helicopters’ and the only ‘foreign troops’ that were involved was my platoon commander, a Capt.who was a Greek immigrant who had come to America 30 years earlier and became a citizen. While we were there, they were all laughing at the rukus that had erupted 2 years previous and all the BS surrounding it, not knowing that it was yours truly who had started the whole thing.

    I see a lot of the same thing surrounding SH. I see people’s imaginations getting the best of them and them reading things into it that simply are not there. The little girl sitting on Obama’s lap who was said to be killed–it was her sister. The father of the dead child laughing before the interview–I have seen parents who lost their children and they did strange things too, including trying to keep from falling into utter despair by laughing a little.

    So, my position is that when some real proof–even if it is just circumstantial–comes out of this, I will start to consider other theories. For now however, here in America, 2013, where kids go crazy on a daily basis and kill a bunch of people because of the violence they have been raised on, I am going to have to go with what facts tell me, which is that this is just another day in the good ol JewSA. Welcome to the Jungle.

    mg

    ps–as far as the other, how others feel ‘alienated’ by the naysaying that has taken place here–We are not here to make friends or to please people. We are here to–as best we can–provide some balance to the lies we are fed everyday. When the “arab spring’ started and I was one of the few saying this was a fake, I had people breathing down my neck just like they are now over SH. They called me a traitor to the movement, accused me of ‘switching sides’ and being a ‘zionist agent’ and further said they would never come to the website or listen to any of my programs again.

    Well, a lot has happened since then, hasn’t it? Since that time we went from about 100 subscribers to over 2,000 and indeed the ‘arab spring’ has been revealed as the fraud that it is.

    So the long and short of it is that while I do not wish to alienate or aggravate my own people, nevertheless if this is what must be done to ‘snap them out of it’ and make them see straight, then this is what I am going to do, along with the rest of us here at TUT

  10. #10 by michael mazur on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    Breivik here is mentioned. At the trial the prosecutor read out that the bomb itself was of the fertiliser type and weighed 950kgs.

    At an earlier time i looked at all the available pictures of the surrounding damage in downtown Oslo, and in particular noted that substantial reinforced concrete uprights, which are at either side of doorways on the tall multi-storey bldgs there, were at angles not quite upright, with the rebar exposed.

    No way can fertiliser based explosive, no matter how much is used, have the brissance, especially at various distances, to concuss those massive substantial uprights into being not quite upright, cracked open, and with rebar exposed.

    Detonation speed for the best finely milled, and in the correct diesel fuel to ammonium nitrate ratio, produces 15,000fps; whereas mil grade explosive has a det speed of around 27,000fps, hence which is what was used.

    One only has to look at the daily bomb damage in Syria to appreciate which material had been loaded into that car in downtown Oslo, where – this is very very important, ground zero has never been shown, for the reason that the sharded car remnants would have looked exactly like those we saw countless examples of during the period 04 to 09 in Iraq when the Israelis, dressed and looking like locals, were mass murdering locals, Shia one day, Sunni a few days later, in that rotation, to have non Iraqi people think that it was all sectarian. Of course, non of those ‘suicide’ car bombs were of the fertiliser type, nor was it suggested by anyone that they were, as it would have been ludicrous to.

    There was a live feed of the court proceedings for the first 30min of Breivik’s trial carried by Australian ABC, and in fixed attention i listened as the lady prosecutor read out the names of the first twenty victims on that island and the autopsy report for each one; nearly all them having sustained between two and six bullet wounds. Clearly gross overkill.

    What does this mean ?

    With so many totally unarmed people – running all over the place, to kill, shooting each one so many times makes no sense, as the magazine is very quickly emptied, meaning that the shooter has to change mags much much more often, leaving him vulnerable to probably being overpowered.

    However, if there are two shooters working in tandem, one will cover for the other during those critical moments, thus obviating that danger of being sprung upon, otherwise they would look daft.

    Last thing, it was a whole year before they got to the alleged boatman to say that Breivik was on the boat. Why so long when that link to Utoya island was crucial ?

  11. #11 by Joe on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    The United Way put up a Newton fund raiser page on their website 2 days before the actual shooting .

    http://jpaulson.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-sandy-hook-actors-video.html

    The 2nd video talks about United Way. The 1st video talks about the “crisis actors”.

  12. #12 by Ingrid B on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    @ michael mazur, heard a few days ago that the Norwegian government has said that the buildings blown up in Oslo, are still unsafe..

  13. #13 by Brian on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    I have a hard time believing a shy, clumsy young person with Asperger’s Syndrome was motivated to kill more people than the patsy Breivik, excerpt from an article:

    Newtown, Conn. (CBS HARTFORD) – Law enforcement sources say that Newtown gunman Adam Lanza believed he was in direct competition with Norwegian mass-shooter Anders Breivik, CBS News reports.

    Two law enforcement officials who have been briefed in the Newtown investigations said that 20-year-old Lanza was motivated by violent video games and a goal of killing more “easiest targets” than the 77 people killed by Breivik near Oslo in July 2011.

    Lanza was motivated to top Breivik’s death toll and targeted the Sandy Hook Elementary School because he could find the “largest cluster of people” who were the “easiest targets.”

    Brian: I smell bullshit.

    I wonder who put the trove of violent video games in Lanza’s basement. I’m surprised the real perpetrators, perhaps hired by a powerful Jewish Zionist, didn’t put kiddy porn on his computer, maybe they did but we won’t here about until the final report.

    Law-enforcement officials speaking with CBS News say evidence found in Mr. Lanza’s home – including a trove of violent video games and newspaper clippings about the 2011 Norway mass shooting – led them to deduce potential motives behind the Newtown, Conn., massacre that left 20 children and six adults dead atSandy Hook late last year.

    Investigators formulated this theory after finding news articles about the Norway shooting in the Lanza home and posited Lanza may have felt an urge to compete with Breivik. The reports suggest that Lanza wanted to exceed Breivik’s body count, not that he was inspired by the extreme right-wing ideology of Breivik, who called himself a “Christian crusader.”

    Officials speaking with PBS’s “Frontline” say Lanza may have been inspired by these video games, since he changed the magazines of his weapons more frequently than needed.

    Brian: I wonder who put the newspaper clips about Breivik in his house?

    How could Lanza, reported by former school mates as clumsy and fidgety change magazines in his weapons frequently? People with Asperger’s Syndrome are clumsy and do poorly under stress such as the stress caused by performing a mass murder with a short time frame.

    More evidence Lanza was a patsy for the real killers.

    –ed note–‘EVIDENCE’??? This is EVIDENCE???

    Ok, since you have it all figured out to the point that you are willing to say that Lanza is a ‘patsy’, WHO are the ‘real’ killers? Mossad? CIA? FBI? ATF? MI6?

    Please, enlighten us.

  14. #14 by Ingrid B on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    It`s sooooooooooo easy to pin words, and intentions, on a dead man, who can neither admit, nor deny, the allegations..

  15. #15 by 1bigcree Shadowhawk on 02/20/2013 - 9:34

    I would add that we all are facing an enemy wrought on dividing us by any and all means possible. Sandy Hook may well be THEIR nugget of which to utilize in this very way. We must be very vigilant and use common sense in sussing out these many events. Discernment is key here. Gathering real evidence first before jumping on any bandwagon of speculative ’causes’. I say this in all due respect and wish like anyone else to finally reveal the facts of what happened there. But to simply arrive at preconceived conclusions as to what Adam Lanza and others may have done there without solid proof only plays into the hands of our enemies. And right now they are lumping us all together as ‘kooks’ in and effort to discredit everything we all have achieved regarding israel’s invovlement in 9/11, the USS Liberty, JFK etc. These we can definitely say it was ‘israel’ and its Zionist Agents (Saynim) who played key roles; but to speculate as to their being at Sandy Hook without real proof hands ‘them’ the tool to use against us. Hope you understand; as well as the readers here. Thanks Mark G for standing your ground and using your critical mind & common sense.

  16. #16 by bostonblah on 02/21/2013 - 9:34

    just more JMSM BS ,from “an anon source” this should not be taken as credible, and the day the story broke i was watching the JMSM and they kept on showing conflicting stories saying that the hdd was destroyed then saying they had “gleaned new evidence from the hdd” then saying again that the hdd was too badly damaged to get any info from .
    i can tell you that you dont just destroy a hdd, ,you dont just smash it, it is very difficult to destroy beyond the point of data recovery ,extracting platters and reconstruction of the data

    just more BS from an unknown anon source,

    as for the SH thing discrediting thee “movement”
    i was one of the 1st ones here to come out and say a similar thing when the story of fukishima and the japan tsunami was posted here on the front page of TUT

    so saying that israel caused the japan tsunami and the fukishima meltdown doesnt make us look ridiculous ,but saying that sandy hook is a psy op and that nobody died does ?

    frankly i find the notion that israel planted nukes under the sea to cause a tsunami and /or put nukes in the reactors disguised as cameras,or whatever the theory was on that one much more ridiculous and discrediting ,than the sandy hoax thing

    also there are many more people who do not buy this than the the fukishima theorists

    ed note–the only thing we posited here with regards to Fukishima was whther the stuxnet virus was used to cripple the plant, and this was based upon a story coming off of Israeli media saying that it was an ISraeli firm in charge of security there. We never posited the notion that a ‘zionist hurricane machine’ or anything of the sort was used to bring about the tsunami, although it is now an established fact that the USGOV has been testing various devices off the coast of New Zealand the intended function of which is to cause tsunamis.

    And you don’t think that claiming that ‘no kids died’ at an event as emotionally charged as Sandy Hook is NOT going to make us look like a bunch of nuts???

    So who’s the crazy one here, me for asking whether stuxnet was used to cripple a nuke plant in Japan as a demonstration to the world about what it could do and based upon news sources coming out of Israel, or those who claim that ‘no kids were killed’ at SH based on NOTHING but their own paranoia-based imaginations?

  17. #17 by bostonblah on 02/21/2013 - 9:34

    yes i saw the new zeland story i dont discount anything ,i know about stuxnet, but im saying that to most outsiders and to some insiders as well the the fukishima stuff does sound more fantastic ,than SH ,i didnt remember the specifics of the article,only that it was posted by a someone new to tut and that there was some backlash about the story being a little overt the top.,it does sound over the top to me anyway, i think thisit is also because of the suggested motive, the idea that it was times to coincide with the vote for gaza by japan ,it goes along the same sort of line of the mike harris story motive of, they did it for revenge for not getting their way on the international stage , i just doubt that they would go so far as to do either one for such a trivial motive, as crazy as they may be, people buy SH because of the decades long attack on 2nd amendment rights by jews
    the 2nd amendment issue is a huge one, it draws in many more people than even 911 i think ,this has done more to move more people from the right,or main stream republican camp to the far right i think

  18. #18 by Garibaldi on 02/21/2013 - 9:34

    I’m well and truly gobsmacked that you would post such a blatant, guilt-by-association-smear-job piece of spurious, tabloid garbage like this on your formerly otherwise excellent site, and I stilI can’t believe after a one-eyed grudging squint at that hysterical headline you didn’t bin this bomb right back to the “Daily Mail” it came from.
    As if the Connecticut police had any corner on credibility to begin with, even THEY, (and I quote from this so-called “article”), “dismissed the CBS (Certified BS) report as PURE SPECULATION and said the assertions about Breivik are UNTRUE”! So WTF are those very same assertions doing in the very TITLE of this unmitigated load of crap? Buy the “official story” or not, you don’t seem to realize you just put your very own high standards at TUT on the same level as the National Enquirer for pure sensationalism, driven by nothing but sick morbid curiosity and mass hysteria.

    ed note–ok, so while we are having our little ‘moment’ here, I’ll have mine.

    Sadly, after months of watching this entire drama from a distance we might call ‘up close and personal’, what I (and others) have come to accept about folks such as this is that Sandy Hook has become something very personal for them. For reasons known or unknown, they LIKE the idea of it being this giant conspiracy, complete with all its intricate twists and turns, Mossad death squads and then of course, the conclusion that ‘none of it happened’ at all. They get a rush from it as it has become something of a source of entertainment for them and therefore they get very emotional whenever someone comes along and does not accept the prevailing conspiracy theory surrounding SH and instead says that it is just another case of some kid going nuts in America and killing a bunch of people.

    So, my (our) response to them is thus–have your ‘moment’ Have your tantrum. Accuse me (us) of ‘switching sides’ and being ‘secret Zionist agents’ and all the rest. We honestly don’t care. The kool aid you are drinking now might taste sweet and might make you feel a little giddy, but when its full effects make themselves manifest, it will be those of us who did not drink it who are left standing and breathing.

  19. #19 by Garibaldi on 02/21/2013 - 9:34

    You can have YOUR OWN little moment, Mark. I’ve already had my 3 seconds of fame decades ago. In the meantime, I’ll thank you, Grazie, NOT to put words in my mouth, NOR thoughts in my brain that don’t exist, OR Kool-Aid in my gullet I never intend to swallow, and that goes for every other sincere person out there who might be of dissimilar dispositions. At this point, I can only suppose that -“BUY THE OFFICIAL STORY OR NOT”- didn’t give you quite enough wiggle room, did it? Starting to squirm yet?
    You just can’t seem to get it through your head that whether “Adam Lanza” had a multiple video-game orgasm of “Breivik” intensity or not is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to whether or not these so-called “sources” originate from a horse’s ass, or bear any resemblance to responsible journalism whatsoever.

    ed note–not starting to squirm at all, and quite frankly I am puzzled as to why such an odd question would even be asked.

    And as far as your assertion that the ‘sources’ used for these pieces originate from a ‘horse’s ass’, well, for the benefit of the rest of us, can you recommend anyone with first hand information on Lanza that might be used to corroborate or debunk any of the ‘official’ information that has been given so far? No? None? Gosh, I would have thought that with a statement as strong as yours that perhaps you had something TANGIBLE. You mean all you have are some youtube videos made by armchair investigators, some of whom might possibly be working for the other side in having us all run around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off?

    You disappoint me Gar.

  20. #20 by Garibaldi on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    It’s Garibaldi, Oh Disappointed Garlic Breath, and the only reason I use a pseudonym is to protect my son, because unfortunately he happens to have exactly the same name as mine.

    Now where were we, oh, SOURCES, right, and horses arses, headless chickens in the barnyard, and more sources. Well let’s see here, we gotta start somewhere don’t we? Howzabout Christian Science Monitor? Little too clean for ya? Not quite enough brains splattered all over the walls of Super Mario Lanza’s basement video library? Even if it’s “first hand information” from someone with impeccable official credentials? Howzabout Good Ol’ Lieutenant Vance for starters? And howzabout an embedded video that’s NOT from YouTube, but……wait a minute, you got it, from CBS!!! -showing Vance’s latest statement regarding all this fresh crapola emanating from where? Why, I’ll be damned if it ain’t that Controlled BS- “CBS”, again… (your “source”)?
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/0219/Was-Adam-Lanza-an-Anders-Breivik-copycat-Why-experts-are-skeptical-video

    ed note–like I said earlier, GARIBALDI–why the childish personal insults? So my breath smells like garlic…What’s YOURS smell like?

    While the CSM story quotes a few sources saying that video games don’t contribute to violence, citing ‘experts’, there are just as many ‘experts’ that can be tapped who will say the opposite.

    HOWEVER, the piece did point out a very important fact you must have overlooked–

    “But, says Patrick Markey, a professor of psychology at Villanova University in Philadelphia, violent video games may have more of an affect on people with mental illness, like Lanza, than on the general population.

    “There is research that suggests that people with certain personality characteristics might be more susceptible to it,” says Dr. Markey, who has conducted research examining how violent video games affect behavior. People who are very disagreeable, impulsive, moody, or neurotic are generally more hostile to begin with, says Markey, “but put violent media in front of them and their hostility goes up even more.”

    Factor into this psychiatric drugs and, yeah, I can definitely believe the story about a kid going nuts and killing a bunch of people.

    In the future, if you want to participate in an intelligent, adult-level discussion, keep your childish, personal comments out and you might be taken more seriously.

  21. #21 by 1bigcree Shadowhawk on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    Good man Mark G! No one is saying conspiracies don’t occur as the history of ‘Civilization’ as we know it is rife with them. However one can only deduce by reasoning and common sense as to what has actually happened and not what one speculates. A huge difference. And the ad hominem attacks help no one except our detractors who seek to derail any and all progress we have made in fingering the perps behind 9/11, the USS Liberty, the Lavon Affair, JFK Assassination, 7/7 etc. Their wish is to make us all appear as ‘nutters; addicted to conjecture rather than facts. I wish people would consider that before going off on tangents and slinging mud at those who only hesitate to THINK it through BEFORE jumping to conclusions.

  22. #22 by annebeck58 on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    Ingrid; #14
    I absolutely agree.
    There is a lot more to some of these posts that I would disagree with, but really don’t wish to go “there” again.
    But, yes; it is always easy to ascribe motive and (even) acts to a dead man. And this is what I’m seeing everywhere, in the case of not only Lanza, but the dead children and adults, too.
    It makes me so upset, I don’t want to try and converse with anyone on this subject, again.

  23. #23 by annebeck58 on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    (haha)
    Mark, your comment to “Girabaldi”..
    “so my breath smells like garlic. What does yours smell like?”
    (I can think of a few answers, but I am not gonna go there; still, funny.)
    And Shadow: we have made a lot of progress and I feel we’re taking many (irreversible) steps backward. I wish the thinking-lamp was ON, like NOW… ((to borrow and bastardize one of Tmot’s comments..))

    ed note–Anne, I was tempted to ‘go there’ and elaborate on what Garibaldi’s breath might have smelled like, but decided against it.

    The steps backwards are a thing of the past, no pun intended. Please keep up with your INVALUABLE commentary. Better days are ahead.

  24. #24 by Ingrid B on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    I agree, we need people like Anne.. takes things a little too personally sometimes, but, I`ve been there myself, was in a bad place, but got the hell out, rented a 100 yr old farmhouse near here, had a year and a half of peace, just what I needed to recover, now, on the whole, life is good, and, like MG, don`t really give much of a sh1t what people who do not matter, think, or say, of me.. Anne, you are a good person, dedicated, intelligent, and we need you.. thanks..

  25. #25 by 1bigcree Shadowhawk on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    Ingrid; good on you!!!

  26. #26 by annebeck58 on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    You know, Ingrid, I really don’t take these things personally. I think it must be my writing-style that gives people that idea, because you’re not the first person to say so. Once, I repeated what one of my siblings said, word for word, yet she read it from me and was very upset. I wasn’t mocking her or putting her down, just trying to resolve a situation (which had nothing to do with a fight, but everything to do with logistics of a trip I was taking to CT.) Yet, again; she read her own words and thought I was being mean when I repeated them?
    I take a long time, sometimes, to make a post. I do try and search for words that will be less offensive (or would be to me), but somehow, I still upset people. Its not really my intention. And, truly, I don’t get upset about most of what goes on here, save what happens to all of us when things are brought south by others..

    Still, I appreciate your comments!
    And, Shadow; you too, as well as Mark.
    So thank you all for your kind words.

  27. #27 by 1bigcree Shadowhawk on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    Anne, we have something in common here as to how we express ourselves. I have never been one to hide my thoughts on things and sometimes people perceive that as ‘wicked’ of ‘mean spirited’. When sussing out facts on such a sensitive Topic as Sandy Hook and related ‘events’ it takes remaining level headed and not becoming reactionary. Then there are different or varying perspectives on such things; which are understandable but if one is truly attempting to arrive at logical conclusions about such an occurrence one must use rational thinking and logic first. Merely speculating on something of this nature goes nowhere but of one is exercising this; in surmising the details with the intent on arriving at tangible conclusions one must be specific and clarify their position(s) in so doing. Then there would be less confusion and misunderstandings. I appreciate your input Anne. Mark , Ingrid as well. We stand together in this and we must fight smart, and not allow ourselves to be mislead with minutia.

  28. #28 by Garibaldi on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    It wasn’t meant to be a childish personal insult, Oh Most Exalted and Defensive One, but only a harmless joke. Thanks anyway for mentioning the parts you liked, or that support your own foregone conclusions. You can go right back to bashing the Jews now, as I won’t be wasting any more of your Oh So Precious time here, or any more of mine either, for that matter.
    P.P.S. You’re sense of humor really sucks BIG TIME. Too bad you were “tempted to go there”, but didn’t.

    ed note–actually, my sense of humor is GREAT, if the person delivering the joke knows what he or she is doing. If they don’t, and as a result no one, including me, ‘gets it’ , well, then, the fault lies not with us, but rather with the would-be jokester.

    in short–joke’s on you.

    As for the rest, ego (exhaulted one/oh so precious time) have nothing whatsoever to do with it. It’s a simple matter of 2+2=4. If you can’t make the case, you can’t make the case, and ego has nothing to do with it. How many ‘Alex Jones’ types do you find here at TUT?–0

    Next time, try a different approach. You have to understand that for me (and no doubt a good portion of the rest of the readers here) you simply appeared like some angry, irrational, ‘gummint out to get our guns’ type. Had your approach been better, we might have been more tempted to listen to you and to ‘go there’, as they say.

    a dieu

  29. #29 by annebeck58 on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    Hahahaha!
    No, not you Girabaldi..
    That was addressed to Mark, the editor.

    I love your sense of humor, Mark. I mean, it’s probably because it’s much like my own, so I get your jokes right away and am always laughing.
    I also very much appreciate that there are NO Alex-Jones types here (well, not usually), I get enough of AJ by just living in the same town as the guy. It seems to me he’s either gone to the dark side or his dark-side has come out, finally?
    Jones was a complete mental-case on the Piers Morgan show (another guy I don’t especially like, but because Piers has NO sense of humor), yet the Jonesites were diagramming each of his sentences to explain exactly WHY everything he said to Piers was a, “zinger”. (yikes)

    I really do think this is when a good part of the “movement” (the troofer side) went completely over the edge. Jones did and does a great job– for the other side, absolutely!

    ed note–Anne, we did not realize you lived in such close proximity to El Presidente por Vida Alex Jones. Our sincerest condolences.

  30. #30 by 1bigcree Shadowhawk on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    Mark, it appears Garibaldi is a bit ‘sensitive’ regarding the fabulous ‘Chosenites’ i.e. Jews. Hmmm, I wonder if he was sent by the Jones camp; OR is one of ‘them’ You know what I mean? A Sayan. He just revealed something in that last remark as to his true identity as well as his loyalty. A most revealing ‘slip’ if you will. So he does not seem to like our position on the racist, supremacist Jew. I smell a RAT!

    ed note, possible Val, who knows?

    Sure would be a lot easier if people could be straightforward without having to play games, that is for sure.

    Can you imagine pathologists in a lab, competing with each other and letting egos/religion/race/politics get in the way of them doing their job? We’d all be dead by now.

  31. #31 by 1bigcree Shadowhawk on 02/22/2013 - 9:34

    Yes , Mark. Part of me is sitting here contemplating the Laboratory scenario; and I am laughing & cringing at the same time. We are indeed wayyy down the rabbit hole and there’s more depths to trawl!!!

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